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Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:47) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 05 2007,13:12) Hi Ken: You use the following scripture:
Quote Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: And so, all I ask is that you not judge me to be in sin because of my beliefs relative to the Sabbath. Forgiving you is no problem, but if you continue to judge others, have you really repented?
God Bless
94 I never judged you. I cannot agree with you breaking the forth commandment. That's all!Someone show me where I did anything “different” than anyone else on this forum.
I gave scripture when it was rejected I defended that scripture and that's the way it has been since I have been here.
Did Paul judge?
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?Heb 5:12 For when by reason of the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food.
NO! Paul just saying it like it is and just what I do. You and others want to throw stones go ahead I'M IN GOOD COMPANY!
No Ken:You gave me your understanding of the Forth Commandment which is fine and I commended you for striving to obey God's commandments.
But I gave you my understanding with which you may disagree, but I am striving to obey the commandments as well. You judged me to be in sin because I didn't agree with your understanding. The point is that you are not the judge.
God has corrected me many a time, and I ask him every morning that if I am teaching anything that is not his Word or doing anything that is not his will to correct me. I want him to correct me. In fact if my Father does not correct me, He does not love me, and so, I welcome his correction.
But relative the Forth Commandment, my conscious is clear with what I am doing. He knows the motives and the intent of the heart. And so, disagree with me if you will, but don't judge me to be in sin because we disagree.
God Bless
Quote (charity @ Sep. 05 2007,14:07) Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:51) It's not my message! It's the way I present the message! What a bunch of crock! When you people argue ALL THE TIME!!
I don't see anyone arguing ken, how come the whole forums acused and in trouble now?
I'm saying that I never said anything that hasn't been said on this forum before. Everyone argues Everyone!Their are NO male NOR Females in Christ Period. What and the way i write i write to men I'm sorry if women want to be treated differently and that Gene and others think they should.
As I said Now I see why Paul wanted the women to ask their husbands!
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 05 2007,13:59) Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:37) Quote (charity @ Sep. 05 2007,13:15) Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:07) So is it wrong to forgive those who tresspass against you if they don't repent? As I said God sent His son long before anyone repented.
As an adult Christian we should recognize as I tried to point out that it is not flesh and blood we fight against and that Christians are deceived into doing Satan's work. Knowing that they are deceived are we NOT to forgive them?
What do you mean wrong to forgive?
who are any of us… that we think it is a privledge extended when we forgive another person?
I mean that Gene is saying that we don't have to forgive unless the person repents. I'm saying God sent His son before anyone repented.I didn't say it was wrong to forgive. Where did I say that Sis?
Hi Ken:The scripture states:
Quote Ro 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.But Jesus message was:
Quote 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.Will God forgive you if you don't repent? Am I doing someone a favor if I forgive them if they say that they are sorry but they haven't repented? If someone doesn't repent after going through the procedure listed in Matthew 18 which Gene quoted, the scripture states that one should treat him as a heathen or publican.
God Bless
94, if you forgive someone you have just done your own soul the favour, for we receive the measure and balance that we have extended, God dose not even judge us, he just hands the records of our own dealings, that we have condemned ourselves on our own, or we have used the scriptures right, realising seventy time seven, if you want to see heavenQuote (942767 @ Sep. 05 2007,14:10) Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:47) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 05 2007,13:12) Hi Ken: You use the following scripture:
Quote Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: And so, all I ask is that you not judge me to be in sin because of my beliefs relative to the Sabbath. Forgiving you is no problem, but if you continue to judge others, have you really repented?
God Bless
94 I never judged you. I cannot agree with you breaking the forth commandment. That's all!Someone show me where I did anything “different” than anyone else on this forum.
I gave scripture when it was rejected I defended that scripture and that's the way it has been since I have been here.
Did Paul judge?
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?Heb 5:12 For when by reason of the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food.
NO! Paul just saying it like it is and just what I do. You and others want to throw stones go ahead I'M IN GOOD COMPANY!
No Ken:You gave me your understanding of the Forth Commandment which is fine and I commended you for striving to obey God's commandments.
But I gave you my understanding with which you may disagree, but I am striving to obey the commandments as well. You judged me to be in sin because I didn't agree with your understanding. The point is that you are not the judge.
God has corrected me many a time, and I ask him every morning that if I am teaching anything that is not his Word or doing anything that is not his will to correct me. I want him to correct me. In fact if my Father does not correct me, He does not love me, and so, I welcome his correction.
But relative the Forth Commandment, my conscious is clear with what I am doing. He knows the motives and the intent of the heart. And so, disagree with me if you will, but don't judge me to be in sin because we disagree.
God Bless
Remember to keep the Sabbath! You sir do not keep the seventh day which is the Sabbath THEREFORE it is not I that judges you but the very word of God.And NO I will never apologize for keeping the forth commandment and telling others that they are WRONG if they keep another day besides the Seventh Day Sabbath of God Almighty.
I won't be tossed to and fro by your wind of doctrine.
OK
I did not write the commandment take it up with the author Not me. If you murder I would say you are breaking a commandment of God and therefore it is sin. I don't condem you “the word of God does that”!
Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:07) So is it wrong to forgive those who tresspass against you if they don't repent? As I said God sent His son long before anyone repented.
As an adult Christian we should recognize as I tried to point out that it is not flesh and blood we fight against and that Christians are deceived into doing Satan's work. Knowing that they are deceived are we NOT to forgive them?
Kenrch…..> you ask is it (wrong) to forgive those who tresspass againts you if they don't repent. First of all I just quoted what Jesus said not me. So if you have a problem with that you will have to take it up with him not me.secondly….you said God sent his son long before anyone repented, is not true King David repented and there were others also who have, and even God repented that He made man on the earth. I think we should all descuse the word (repent) on this thread also.
thridly…..Decieved “christians” are not sinning against you are they unless you have positioned yourself as GOD. If they sin against God then He will deal with them not me or you. Peter was talking about that sinned againt him personely, not those sinning against God. Lets keep the context……gene
What ‘s this about breaking the fourth commandment that’s hung up now on just two?
This has been around from the set up of the Kingdom of David
Mat 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.
And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.Who knows what Johns allowing; A new covenant, without the Lord God first and foremost? Here again John glorifies God in Jesus?
Jhn 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jhn 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Jhn 13:32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.O brother
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 05 2007,14:23) Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:07) So is it wrong to forgive those who tresspass against you if they don't repent? As I said God sent His son long before anyone repented.
As an adult Christian we should recognize as I tried to point out that it is not flesh and blood we fight against and that Christians are deceived into doing Satan's work. Knowing that they are deceived are we NOT to forgive them?
Kenrch…..> you ask is it (wrong) to forgive those who tresspass againts you if they don't repent. First of all I just quoted what Jesus said not me. So if you have a problem with that you will have to take it up with him not me.secondly….you said God sent his son long before anyone repented, is not true King David repented and there were others also who have, and even God repented that He made man on the earth. I think we should all descuse the word (repent) on this thread also.
thridly…..Decieved “christians” are not sinning against you are they unless you have positioned yourself as GOD. If they sin against God then He will deal with them not me or you. Peter was talking about that sinned againt him personely, not those sinning against God. Lets keep the context……gene
Gene round and round but the fact is that you use harsh language. It's all over would you like me to dig some up for you. But you have got the gall to accuse me of being not gentle and puffed up when YOU DO THE SAME THING.If you do not want me to forgive you OK I won't!
You are unforgiven ok!
I am honored for being persecuted for sharing the true word of God.
I can picture all those who stoned Paul as he preached
Praise God! Thank YOU LORD!
Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,14:18) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 05 2007,14:10) Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:47) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 05 2007,13:12) Hi Ken: You use the following scripture:
Quote Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: And so, all I ask is that you not judge me to be in sin because of my beliefs relative to the Sabbath. Forgiving you is no problem, but if you continue to judge others, have you really repented?
God Bless
94 I never judged you. I cannot agree with you breaking the forth commandment. That's all!Someone show me where I did anything “different” than anyone else on this forum.
I gave scripture when it was rejected I defended that scripture and that's the way it has been since I have been here.
Did Paul judge?
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?Heb 5:12 For when by reason of the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food.
NO! Paul just saying it like it is and just what I do. You and others want to throw stones go ahead I'M IN GOOD COMPANY!
No Ken:You gave me your understanding of the Forth Commandment which is fine and I commended you for striving to obey God's commandments.
But I gave you my understanding with which you may disagree, but I am striving to obey the commandments as well. You judged me to be in sin because I didn't agree with your understanding. The point is that you are not the judge.
God has corrected me many a time, and I ask him every morning that if I am teaching anything that is not his Word or doing anything that is not his will to correct me. I want him to correct me. In fact if my Father does not correct me, He does not love me, and so, I welcome his correction.
But relative the Forth Commandment, my conscious is clear with what I am doing. He knows the motives and the intent of the heart. And so, disagree with me if you will, but don't judge me to be in sin because we disagree.
God Bless
Remember to keep the Sabbath! You sir do not keep the seventh day which is the Sabbath THEREFORE it is not I that judges you but the very word of God.And NO I will never apologize for keeping the forth commandment and telling others that they are WRONG if they keep another day besides the Seventh Day Sabbath of God Almighty.
I won't be tossed to and fro by your wind of doctrine.
OK
Hi Ken:You said that you hadn't judged me, but you just said that I was wrong. Any chance that you might be wrong?
God Bless
to all …..lets get back on track here and use scriptures to give us a better word understanding.
now seeing that (repentence) is an issue lets talk about that.
To me to repent means to come to see my error and change my mind about it, which i look at it as a way to grow. what do you all think.
HEY Ken, gene doesn’t seem harsh, he just doesn’t see things the same, that’s not harsh, we can receive others thoughts as way to personal, but I think that’s a desire towards a hope in unity,
Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,14:45) The apostles were chased out of a town or two I'm sure. Go ahead chase me out for sharing the truth
okay gene's pulled the horses up Ken, back to topicQuote (charity @ Sep. 05 2007,14:44) HEY Ken, gene doesn’t seem harsh, he just doesn’t see things the same, that’s not harsh, we can receive others thoughts as way to personal, but I think that’s a desire towards a hope in unity,
And what would you have dine if I told you swollow a camel but choke on a nat. I neve did say anything “worse” that that.Or you are so blind you can't tell the forest because of the trees and you should try reading in context “you might learn something”!
MY MY MY If I said that i would be hung EVEN IF I”M RIGHT which ALL of you say I am!
Take a vote I WILL GLADLY BE KICKED OUT FOR SHARING THE WORD OF GOD. Praise His Holy Name!!!!!
Quote (charity @ Sep. 05 2007,14:47) Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,14:45) The apostles were chased out of a town or two I'm sure. Go ahead chase me out for sharing the truth
okay gene's pulled the horses up Ken, back to topic
They say what they don't mean and mean what they don't say
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 05 2007,14:44) to all …..lets get back on track here and use scriptures to give us a better word understanding. now seeing that (repentence) is an issue lets talk about that.
To me to repent means to come to see my error and change my mind about it, which i look at it as a way to grow. what do you all think.
Hi Gene:The following according to Strong's concordance:
Quote Strong's Number: 3340 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
metanoevw from (3326) and (3539)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Metanoeo 4:975,636
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
met-an-o-eh'-o VerbDefinition
to change one's mind, i.e. to repent to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sinsIt is first acknowledging that one have sinned, and then changing our behaviour so that we are not doing the same thing. If the scripture states, “judge not” and we are judging someone then it would mean acknowledging our sin and changing our behaviour so that we are not judging.
The following is an example as John the Baptist preached repentance:
Matthew3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come ?
3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
3:9
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
3:10
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.God Bless
Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,14:50) Quote (charity @ Sep. 05 2007,14:44) HEY Ken, gene doesn’t seem harsh, he just doesn’t see things the same, that’s not harsh, we can receive others thoughts as way to personal, but I think that’s a desire towards a hope in unity,
And what would you have dine if I told you swollow a camel but choke on a nat. I neve did say anything “worse” that that.Or you are so blind you can't tell the forest because of the trees and you should try reading in context “you might learn something”!
MY MY MY If I said that i would be hung EVEN IF I”M RIGHT which ALL of you say I am!
Take a vote I WILL GLADLY BE KICKED OUT FOR SHARING THE WORD OF GOD. Praise His Holy Name!!!!!
One minute I’m no longer a female
Then a woman that needs to quietAny way, yep ,I think I can find house work to do to make myself usfull Ken
Thanks gene
cya
You've got the stone in your hand all you have to do is throw it! That should be so hard!
Oh! Ok Gene tell us about Love. And since you didn't repent then you are not forgiven, OK
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