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Gene, the word repent, it’s so often used against souls with out love attached, as a demand, manifesting itself as a law.
I think this word, should sounded with the a sweet savour, it’s a heart felt thing, followed by tears,
I think sometimes it’s confused with the emotion of guilt, which just needs to drop two feet down to take effect in the repenting of the heart, Instead of the Ill do better next time lord, I am what I am lord And only you can change and make me into what you desire me to beQuote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,12:19) How heathens are used: 2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
How Christians are deceived then used.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Do Christians sin? Do you think that the master deceiver can deceive a Christian?
Do you swear by the sin of Samaria, in which the earth will fall and many shall never rise up again?
People are thirsty and suffering, and Christs body is kept as a continual sacrifice and offering, from generation to generation.
Which way is out Ken?
when is grace going to be enough?
when will pride except that we are all to be perfected?Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,12:19) How heathens are used: 2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
How Christians are deceived then used.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Do Christians sin? Do you think that the master deceiver can deceive a Christian?
Millions perhaps billions of “Christians” are deceived as we speak!Satan will take these “Christians” and spread “his” message not God's message but Satan's message. Christian churches have become Satan's churches because they follow the Harlot and her doctrines. They are “Christians” yes but are deceived and are used to spread Satan's word.
That's why we have the message to day to come out of her “Jesus' people”, Rev.18:4.
Quote (charity @ Sep. 05 2007,12:34) Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,12:19) How heathens are used: 2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
How Christians are deceived then used.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Do Christians sin? Do you think that the master deceiver can deceive a Christian?
Do you swear by the sin of Samaria, in which the earth will fall and many shall never rise up again?
People are thirsty and suffering, and Christs body is kept as a continual sacrifice and offering, from generation to generation.
Which way is out Ken?
when is grace going to be enough?
when will pride except that we are all to be perfected?
To be honest charity I don't follow poems so if you could just say what you mean that would help.to all…..> some people take Matt18:21 to mean that if your brother sin against you just forgive him no matter what, that not what it was saying, go to Matt 18:15 and you will get the context of what Jesus was saying 15; ” Moreover if your brother sins against you , go tell him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.16, But if he will not hear you, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. and if he refuses even to hear them take it to the church , But if he refuses even to hear the church let to you like a heathen and a tax collector”, it seems to show that repentance is required by the person sinning aginst you< right. So I contend Peter was talking about a person that Keeps sinning againts you but keeps repenting to you and wanted to know who many times he has to keep on forgiving him when he comes and asks for forgivness and Jesus said seventy times seventy. And he went on to show another parable example but in bothe examples Jesus gave there was a asking for forgivness on the sinning or indebted party…….God forgives us based upon repentence, so while LOVE is always willing to forgive somethings have to be delt with. peace to all………gene
Quote God forgives us based upon repentence, so while LOVE is always willing to forgive somethings have to be delt with. peace to all………gene God sent His Son LONG before any one repented.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 05 2007,12:39) to all…..> some people take Matt18:21 to mean that if your brother sin against you just forgive him no matter what, that not what it was saying, go to Matt 18:15 and you will get the context of what Jesus was saying 15; ” Moreover if your brother sins against you , go tell him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.16, But if he will not hear you, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. and if he refuses even to hear them take it to the church , But if he refuses even to hear the church let to you like a heathen and a tax collector”, it seems to show that repentance is required by the person sinning aginst you< right. So I contend Peter was talking about a person that Keeps sinning againts you but keeps repenting to you and wanted to know who many times he has to keep on forgiving him when he comes and asks for forgivness and Jesus said seventy times seventy. And he went on to show another parable example but in bothe examples Jesus gave there was a asking for forgivness on the sinning or indebted party…….God forgives us based upon repentence, so while LOVE is always willing to forgive somethings have to be delt with. peace to all………gene
Thanks gene
I think also… this scripture might just be instructing the offended to understand, if a person has not heard you when you went first to them, what is your heart doing then, careful that it is not trying to work for own justification, and accusing a brother to be publicly ashamed; holding no grace? this scripture can be often used wrong, allowing some to trample the courts with intentions to punish, coming off smelling like roses.
So is it wrong to forgive those who tresspass against you if they don't repent?
As I said God sent His son long before anyone repented.
As an adult Christian we should recognize as I tried to point out that it is not flesh and blood we fight against and that Christians are deceived into doing Satan's work. Knowing that they are deceived are we NOT to forgive them?
Hi Ken:
You use the following scripture:
Quote Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: And so, all I ask is that you not judge me to be in sin because of my beliefs relative to the Sabbath. Forgiving you is no problem, but if you continue to judge others, have you really repented?
God Bless
Jn 10:
1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.Jesus promise to his own is they will hear his voice and will not follow another.
While it is true that believers can like sheep go off the path, the Great shephard of our souls will lead his own back
Satan has no claim to a true born again Christian.
They are sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise and are led by the Spirit of truth which our Lord promised he would send to lead and guide us into all truth.
Jesus said he would be with his own untill the end of the world.
Matt 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.Jn 10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand
Those that are lost shall be brought back to the fold.There is a ratio of those of his who go astray and are lost.
The majority are not lost.
Lk 15:4
What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?I dont believe the majority of Christianity (True born again believers) are blind and under the power of satan or ministers of satan. To suggest such would be to suggest Jesus the Great Shephard is a failure.
No man shall pluck them out of my hand.
Jesus is able to save his own to the uttermost.
David is an example of a shephard who goes out to save the helpless sheep.
Jn 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.Then Jesus also prays for us…
Jn 17:
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.And I think that any prayer that our Lord made to the Father shall be answered!!!
Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:07) So is it wrong to forgive those who tresspass against you if they don't repent? As I said God sent His son long before anyone repented.
As an adult Christian we should recognize as I tried to point out that it is not flesh and blood we fight against and that Christians are deceived into doing Satan's work. Knowing that they are deceived are we NOT to forgive them?
What do you mean wrong to forgive?
who are any of us… that we think it is a privledge extended when we forgive another person?
Quote (charity @ Sep. 05 2007,13:15) Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:07) So is it wrong to forgive those who tresspass against you if they don't repent? As I said God sent His son long before anyone repented.
As an adult Christian we should recognize as I tried to point out that it is not flesh and blood we fight against and that Christians are deceived into doing Satan's work. Knowing that they are deceived are we NOT to forgive them?
What do you mean wrong to forgive?
who are any of us… that we think it is a privledge extended when we forgive another person?
I mean that Gene is saying that we don't have to forgive unless the person repents. I'm saying God sent His son before anyone repented.I didn't say it was wrong to forgive. Where did I say that Sis?
Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:37) Quote (charity @ Sep. 05 2007,13:15) Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:07) So is it wrong to forgive those who tresspass against you if they don't repent? As I said God sent His son long before anyone repented.
As an adult Christian we should recognize as I tried to point out that it is not flesh and blood we fight against and that Christians are deceived into doing Satan's work. Knowing that they are deceived are we NOT to forgive them?
What do you mean wrong to forgive?
who are any of us… that we think it is a privledge extended when we forgive another person?
I mean that Gene is saying that we don't have to forgive unless the person repents. I'm saying God sent His son before anyone repented.I didn't say it was wrong to forgive. Where did I say that Sis?
No you don't need any wepons today Ken, you are safe, its good, all the hearts a seekingwe don't have to forgive unless they repent?
ok who wants to look like this all their life
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 05 2007,13:12) Hi Ken: You use the following scripture:
Quote Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: And so, all I ask is that you not judge me to be in sin because of my beliefs relative to the Sabbath. Forgiving you is no problem, but if you continue to judge others, have you really repented?
God Bless
94 I never judged you. I cannot agree with you breaking the forth commandment. That's all!Someone show me where I did anything “different” than anyone else on this forum.
I gave scripture when it was rejected I defended that scripture and that's the way it has been since I have been here.
Did Paul judge?
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?Heb 5:12 For when by reason of the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food.
NO! Paul just saying it like it is and just what I do. You and others want to throw stones go ahead I'M IN GOOD COMPANY!
It's not my message! It's the way I present the message! What a bunch of crock! When you people argue ALL THE TIME!!
Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:37) Quote (charity @ Sep. 05 2007,13:15) Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:07) So is it wrong to forgive those who tresspass against you if they don't repent? As I said God sent His son long before anyone repented.
As an adult Christian we should recognize as I tried to point out that it is not flesh and blood we fight against and that Christians are deceived into doing Satan's work. Knowing that they are deceived are we NOT to forgive them?
What do you mean wrong to forgive?
who are any of us… that we think it is a privledge extended when we forgive another person?
I mean that Gene is saying that we don't have to forgive unless the person repents. I'm saying God sent His son before anyone repented.I didn't say it was wrong to forgive. Where did I say that Sis?
Hi Ken:The scripture states:
Quote Ro 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.But Jesus message was:
Quote 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.Will God forgive you if you don't repent? Am I doing someone a favor if I forgive them if they say that they are sorry but they haven't repented? If someone doesn't repent after going through the procedure listed in Matthew 18 which Gene quoted, the scripture states that one should treat him as a heathen or publican.
God Bless
Is what I said any worse that this?
Cult buster…..You say Jesus didn't denie he was the Great I Am, when they accused him of making himself God, So why did he not SAY Yes I AM, The ALMIGHTY GOD then. And why is there no place in the scriptures where Jesus said I am Almighty God, doin't you think if that were the case He would Have Just came out and Said it. And who was he praying to and telling us to pray to. And why did he say I am going to MY GOD AND YOUR GOD MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER. You trinitarians all do the same thing, you get caught up in little obsqure scriptures that can go either way and where translators have forced the text and forget the obvious ones that are clear. You remind me of the Jesus' words ” you strain out a gnat and swollow a camel.
Back to topMy God If I had said that to one of the women I would be hung…isn't that right?
I've news for you guys their are no male or female in Christ Gal.3:28
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 05 2007,13:59) Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:37) Quote (charity @ Sep. 05 2007,13:15) Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:07) So is it wrong to forgive those who tresspass against you if they don't repent? As I said God sent His son long before anyone repented.
As an adult Christian we should recognize as I tried to point out that it is not flesh and blood we fight against and that Christians are deceived into doing Satan's work. Knowing that they are deceived are we NOT to forgive them?
What do you mean wrong to forgive?
who are any of us… that we think it is a privledge extended when we forgive another person?
I mean that Gene is saying that we don't have to forgive unless the person repents. I'm saying God sent His son before anyone repented.I didn't say it was wrong to forgive. Where did I say that Sis?
Hi Ken:The scripture states:
Quote Ro 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.But Jesus message was:
Quote 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.Will God forgive you if you don't repent? Am I doing someone a favor if I forgive them if they say that they are sorry but they haven't repented? If someone doesn't repent after going through the procedure listed in Matthew 18 which Gene quoted, the scripture states that one should treat him as a heathen or publican.
God Bless
94 Tell me what is irt that you want me to repent of?Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 05 2007,13:51) It's not my message! It's the way I present the message! What a bunch of crock! When you people argue ALL THE TIME!!
I don't see anyone arguing ken, how come the whole forums acused and in trouble now?
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