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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2012,15:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2012,10:49) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2012,08:33) They also teach that one must do certain hours a week(must put on record) preaching from door to door; working for the lord they say.
Yet In luke It says; GO NOT FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE.(luke10:7.)
Do you really think that Luke 10:7 teaches us not to go door to door preaching the gospel?
Hi MIke,Luke 10:7 means not to look for a better deal, it is nothing about evangelizing door to door.
There is a verse that says we should go door to door, which the JW's do do.
Can someone point me to the specific verse to which I refer?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
bump for David“There is a verse that says we should go door to door, which the JW's do do.
Can someone point me to the specific verse to which I refer?”–Ed.
There is no “door to door” scripture. Perhaps this is what you are asking of:
New International Version (©1984)
Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ.
New Living Translation (©2007)
And every day, in the Temple and from house to house, they continued to teach and preach this message: “Jesus is the Messiah.”English Standard Version (©2001)
And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they kept right on teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ.Ed, I am no longer who I once was. I tried to explain this to you in a PM a while ago.
Sorry, that last one was Acts 5:42.
I guess it could also be this one you are referring to Ed (Acts 20:20,21):
English Standard Version (©2001)
how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house,New American Standard Bible (©1995)
how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you publicly and from house to house,King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,Quote (david @ Feb. 11 2012,16:07) Sorry, that last one was Acts 5:42. I guess it could also be this one you are referring to Ed (Acts 20:20,21):
English Standard Version (©2001)
how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house,New American Standard Bible (©1995)
how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you publicly and from house to house,King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,
Hi david.What about all the past generations; way before the bible tract society was set up? what will happen to them?
Are they all lost,because they are not JW?2000yrs of Christians all lost; except the jehovah witnesses are saved. And they began I think in the 1917s.
How can you answer this?
Hi,
Men travel across land and sea to make proselytes and leave them in a worse state than they were in before.Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2012,23:37) They follow their elders; they tell them what to do and where to go.
Did it ever occur to you that these are not blind sheep, but people who have seriously studied the scripture and have come to the conclusion that what the JWs teach is the closest thing to what the scriptures teach?I am not a JW, Wakeup. But there is not another organized religion out there that comes closer to what the scriptures teach, IMO.
Kerwin is right – test their teachings against the scriptures to determine their fruit. If you can find that they teach against the scriptures, you will have made a point (albeit a little point – because all people interpret certain scriptures differently.)
Wakeup, show where something they teach is so far from scripture that they must have made it up. Until that point, you are nothing but a hate mongerer, IMO.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2012,00:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2012,23:37) They follow their elders; they tell them what to do and where to go.
Did it ever occur to you that these are not blind sheep, but people who have seriously studied the scripture and have come to the conclusion that what the JWs teach is the closest thing to what the scriptures teach?I am not a JW, Wakeup. But there is not another organized religion out there that comes closer to what the scriptures teach, IMO.
Kerwin is right – test their teachings against the scriptures to determine their fruit. If you can find that they teach against the scriptures, you will have made a point (albeit a little point – because all people interpret certain scriptures differently.)
Wakeup, show where something they teach is so far from scripture that they must have made it up. Until that point, you are nothing but a hate mongerer, IMO.
MikeB.You say you are not jw. but the QUESTION about the jws must have touch a raw nerve.
They teach that only the elders will be resurrected in spirit and the rest of the jws flock will be in paradise in the flesh,living for ever.
To get to this conclusion, they must be reading their own translation bible and the watch tower.
Stay away from one preaching another gospel,wipe their dust off your feet.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2012,09:05) MikeB. You say you are not jw. but the QUESTION about the jws must have touch a raw nerve.
Simple-minded prejudice DOES touch a nerve with me. Wakeup, what you, Nick, Ed, and others here post concerning the JWs is tantamount to saying, “Black people think this” – without any proof that they really do. Or “Black people believe this, so it must be wrong” – again, without any proof that it IS actually wrong.I will offer you what I offered you over a month ago:
Wakeup, I CHALLENGE YOU to produce one NWT translation, or one JW belief that is scripturally wrong.
Put your money where your mouth is, Wakeup. Instead of slamming them as a whole with hearsay, pick one of their beliefs and scripturally tear it down. I'll even help you with a couple of them. (But on the things on which I disagree with the JWs, I can clearly see how and why they interpret the scriptures the way they do – although I don't interpret them the same way in those couple of instances.)
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2012,09:05) They teach that only the elders will be resurrected in spirit and the rest of the jws flock will be in paradise in the flesh,living for ever.
They teach what the scriptures teach – that the elect will inherit God's Heavenly Kingdom, while others (the meek) will inherit the earth. No where do they ever say that elders of the JW Organization are the only ones going to heaven.You go around slamming these servants of God (4 separate threads so far), but haven't shown one way in which they are doing it wrong yet. You slam them for going house to house, when they are merely imitating Paul and the other apostles and disciples, and following Jesus' commission to spread the good news to the ends of the earth.
How blind can one be? Show us something they are truly doing against the scriptures (not hearsay), and let's discuss it.
Wakeup,
Paul wants to know who you are to judge another master's servant.
If they are teaching against the scriptures, then educate us all so we don't get trapped. (But in order to do that, you must first find where they teach against the scriptures. You have been challenged – let's see if you actually know what you're talking about, or if you're merely like the simple-minded racist people of the world, who just slam others for the sake of doing so.)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2012,02:25) Wakeup, what you, Nick, Ed, and others here post concerning the JWs is tantamount to saying, “Black people think this” – without any proof that they really do. Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2012,00:29) Do they believe that they are the only ones who will be saved?
No. Millions that have lived in centuries past and who were not Jehovah's Witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.
Hi Mike,The word “No” is misleading, as it only deals with the past.
I have brought this to your attention before, but you seem to ignore it.I asked: “Is it not true that your organization teaches that non-members are non-Christians?”
David did not deny this is their teaching through 13 pages of questioning. (here is the link) <– Pages 65-78God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Mike,
I only meant to post it on the thread where you mentioned my name, which is this thread.
But I posted it on the other thread first, so I needed to post it on this thread as well; sor.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2012,17:21) Quote (david @ Feb. 11 2012,16:07) Sorry, that last one was Acts 5:42. I guess it could also be this one you are referring to Ed (Acts 20:20,21):
English Standard Version (©2001)
how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house,New American Standard Bible (©1995)
how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you publicly and from house to house,King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,
Hi david.What about all the past generations; way before the bible tract society was set up? what will happen to them?
Are they all lost,because they are not JW?2000yrs of Christians all lost; except the jehovah witnesses are saved. And they began I think in the 1917s.
How can you answer this?
Wakup, Hi.I am not here to defend JW's. But right now, based on what I've read from you, you seem to know the least about JW's of anyone on here. I understand your anger.
What they believe is that according to Scripture, and as prophesied by Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, there would be and was an apostasy, a falling away from true worship, which included the introduction of many teachings they consider false: the Trinity, the immortal soul, and a hundred other things.
They do think that all during this time, for those 2000 years, there were faithful Christians alive. (See the “weeds and the wheat” illustration Jesus gave)
But then, they believe, during the “last days” or “end of this world” that was foretold, there was to be a change. They believe there was to be a restoration to true worship.
And they like to point out Matthew 24:14, which says:
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
There are other parts to this sign, which they think makes this time special.
They view the 2000 years before, and most of history as an experiment to show that we cannot rule ourselves and that we need God's rulership, God's kingdom.
But, there would have to be a time when that came to an end, and leading up to that time, there are the “last days” of this world, and it is during this time, that they believe true worship was to be restored.
Just found this scripture:
(Micah 4:1-5) 4 And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it peoples must stream. 2 And many nations will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 3 And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore. 4 And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it]. 5 For all the peoples, for their part, will walk each one in the name of its god; but we, for our part, shall walk in the name of Jehovah our God to time indefinite, even forever.Right or wrong, I think this is one of the main scriptures used to support this idea of a restoration of true worship in the “final part of the days.”
As for the people who lived during the previous 2000 years, there is going to be “a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous.” The JW believe that people who were not given a chance to hear the good news that they are now preaching will be resurrected to life and be given that chance to decide which side they want to be on. I'm not sure of the populations, but since population grows exponentially, I'm guessing more people lived in the last century than the previous 19 centuries. Maybe I'm totally wrong.
They don't think that when a person dies, they go to heaven, but that they are unconscious, and, anther belief that differs with probably everyone else is that when a person dies, that death is the price that is paid for their sins and their sins are gone. The person who dies has been acquitted of his sins. So, those 2000 years of people would be resurrected and given a chance to choose. (Although, It's hard to understand how anyone could be resurrected, and then make a wrong choice.)
For the “2000yrs of Christians all lost” I think you should read Jesus illustration of the wheat and the weeds.
dave
Quote (david @ Feb. 11 2012,10:59) But right now, based on what I've read from you, you seem to know the least about JW's of anyone on here. I understand your anger.
While I agree with the first part, I really can't see the need, reason, or benefit to have such anger against other servants of God.This is the fourth or fifth thread Wakeup has started with the sole purpose of slamming JWs for the sake of slamming them.
I keep asking what they teach that is against scriptures, but then he runs away and starts yet another thread.
Quote I asked: “Is it not true that your organization teaches that non-members are non-Christians?” The problem Ed, is, everyone thinks they are following Christ, ie: a Christian.
If everyone was following Christ, would this forum exist? If we all had the mind of Christ and were one, as Jesus said his followers would be, would this forum exist? No.
The Christ is not divided. Clearly, mathematically, logically, we are not all following Christ. (We all “believe in” Christ. But that's different, isn't it?)
Ed, you don't think I am a Christian. (ie: you don't think I am following Christ)–because you believe that I have belief x and belief Z and belief w.
Ed, I believe you are not following Christ, because I don't believe Jesus said anything about a hidden number code in the Bible. I just don't see it. I believe your belief is wrong–on the number code and on other things.
Ed, half of us here think Jesus is God Almighty. The other half of us think those people are delusional. Are both groups following Christ? Are both groups Christians? Is the Christ divided? Are his followers divided? Or are they one, as he said they would be?
Ed, I am not who you think I am.
Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,11:09) Quote I asked: “Is it not true that your organization teaches that non-members are non-Christians?” The problem Ed, is, everyone thinks they are following Christ, ie: a Christian.
If everyone was following Christ, would this forum exist? If we all had the mind of Christ and were one, as Jesus said his followers would be, would this forum exist? No.
The Christ is not divided. Clearly, mathematically, logically, we are not all following Christ. (We all “believe in” Christ. But that's different, isn't it?)
Ed, you don't think I am a Christian. (ie: you don't think I am following Christ)–because you believe that I have belief x and belief Z and belief w.
Ed, I believe you are not following Christ, because I don't believe Jesus said anything about a hidden number code in the Bible. I just don't see it. I believe your belief is wrong–on the number code and on other things.
Ed, half of us here think Jesus is God Almighty. The other half of us think those people are delusional. Are both groups following Christ? Are both groups Christians? Is the Christ divided? Are his followers divided? Or are they one, as he said they would be?
Ed, I am not who you think I am.
Hi DavidIn this you are right ,and all believers are paying their way in a way ,because we still learning to perfect us so that we may be approve by Christ and his father,no matter what we believe,and it is our responsibility to make sure that we follow the truth of Gods word.
Pierre
Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,04:09) Ed, I believe you are not following Christ, because I don't believe Jesus said anything about a hidden number code in the Bible. I just don't see it. I believe your belief is wrong–on the number code and on other things.
Hi David,That is YOUR opinion.
If you have any bible references
about your assertion please do share them; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,04:09) Ed, I am not who you think I am.
Hi David,What is this suppose to mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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