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The trinity issue is a big one and after reading many posts and writings about it, I prayed for understand about it. The answer I got was, I find it hard enough to understand the worldly matters of being a christian, so how much less am I going to understand heavenly things. Its funny God never seems to answer my prayers the way I think he will
.As for those that say Jesus didn't really die for us, I would say they are the antichrist and we are well warned about them.
Quote (Jeremy @ Feb. 19 2012,11:15) The trinity issue is a big one and after reading many posts and writings about it, I prayed for understand about it. The answer I got was, I find it hard enough to understand the worldly matters of being a christian, so how much less am I going to understand heavenly things. Its funny God never seems to answer my prayers the way I think he will .As for those that say Jesus didn't really die for us, I would say they are the antichrist and we are well warned about them.
JeremyQuote Its funny God never seems to answer my prayers the way I think he will . Jas 4:3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
is it this
??No not like that although I really like that scripture, its a good one to reflect on before praying.
I have my own belief about the trinity but, I prayed that I may have true understanding so that it would not become a stumbling block for me. I envisioned he would show me wether the trinity was true or not, however he showed me not to worry about it, for now at least.
Quote (Jeremy @ Feb. 19 2012,12:15) No not like that although I really like that scripture, its a good one to reflect on before praying. I have my own belief about the trinity but, I prayed that I may have true understanding so that it would not become a stumbling block for me. I envisioned he would show me wether the trinity was true or not, however he showed me not to worry about it, for now at least.
hi JeremyI do not believe in the trinity ,because it is not teaches by Christ
or by his disciples nor do we find it in the O.T.only in the false gods of men you find this,their is plenty of info on this forum about it ,and also see “the existence of Christ “this works well with that topic,BUT SCRIPTURES HAVE TO BE THE RULE,godly truth can not be exchange for men s view or understanding right ?
Hi Jeremy,
Most of us come from a trinitarian background.
I found after reading the bible that there was no trinity taught.
I also found it impossible to explain and justify when telling others of my faith.I became aware that trinity was taught as a god just like any other idol-apart from us with no intimacy possible.
It taught of a different Jesus, another god, who had a head start and whom we could not hope to follow
I had known of the intimacy that the Spirit had given me with God and something just had to give.Quote (Jeremy @ Feb. 18 2012,11:15) The trinity issue is a big one and after reading many posts and writings about it, I prayed for understand about it. The answer I got was, I find it hard enough to understand the worldly matters of being a christian, so how much less am I going to understand heavenly things. Its funny God never seems to answer my prayers the way I think he will .As for those that say Jesus didn't really die for us, I would say they are the antichrist and we are well warned about them.
The bolded part is your answer about the Trinity, Jeremy. God cannot die – Jesus did.peace,
mikeQuote no i do not ,not because i can not read you comment but because i can not read it in scriptures, you must have been lost in the understanding??? tell me is the conversation with Nicodemus applies to Jesus apostles and if so how???
Pierre,
It applies to all those that would come and the apostles EXACTLY the way it applies to US.
If it was just learning the Word and Loving the Lord with all your heart, (as you believe), then the 120 would not have had to wait in the upper room for the Holy Ghost to come. Would they?
Marlin
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 19 2012,09:56) marlin Quote JOHN 3:5 † Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 3. Then Jesus tells him that he had to be born of his mother, WATER, and be born again of the Spirit.
Do you now understand?
no i do not ,not because i can not read you comment but because i can not read it in scriptures, you must have been lost in the understanding???
tell me is the conversation with Nicodemus applies to Jesus apostles and if so how???
MarlinQuote Quote
no i do not ,not because i can not read you comment but because i can not read it in scriptures, you must have been lost in the understanding???tell me is the conversation with Nicodemus applies to Jesus apostles and if so how???
Pierre,
It applies to all those that would come and the apostles EXACTLY the way it applies to US.
If it was just learning the Word and Loving the Lord with all your heart, (as you believe), then the 120 would not have had to wait in the upper room for the Holy Ghost to come. Would they?
Marlin
so we all have to become man again ???I mean before we got the spirit ?or enter the kingdom?
Pierre, again you are adding to scripture. Jesus in v3 says that you must be born again. Then in v5 He says you must be BORN of water,(which every one is) and of Spirit. (Which requires a new birth)
In John 3:7-8 Jesus says you must be born again and then He says born of Spirit. No mention of WATER..
I PETER 1:23 † Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
All have already been born of water, all must be born again of Spirit.
Do you see?
Marlin
Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 19 2012,17:37) Pierre, again you are adding to scripture. Jesus in v3 says that you must be born again. Then in v5 He says you must be BORN of water,(which every one is) and of Spirit. (Which requires a new birth) In John 3:7-8 Jesus says you must be born again and then He says born of Spirit. No mention of WATER..
I PETER 1:23 † Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
All have already been born of water, all must be born again of Spirit.
Do you see?
Marlin
Marlinthis is what i can not understand ;
Quote 3. Then Jesus tells him that he had to be born of his mother, WATER, and be born again of the Spirit. Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,11:59) Hi Marlin,
Everyone is born of water??
No scriptural support for this.
Hi NickWhen a fetes is growing inside of it's mothers womb, it is surrounded in amniotic fluid. At first, this fluid is mainly water with electrolytes, then as the baby develops, the water starts to contain proteins, and other things which aid the babes growth.
When a woman goes into labour, her water breaks. This is called the fore waters. The rest of the fluid inside is called the hind water, and this all comes out when baby is born.
Hence we get the meaning, that we are all born of water.
This is not explained in the scriptures, because it is not a medical journal.
So before we can get into the kingdom of God, we must be born flesh first. Born of Water.
Then at the appointed time, (Christ's 2nd coming) we will be raised or changed to spirit.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God,
but when we are born again into spirit (changed)
only then,
can we inherit the kingdom,
and travel to heaven and back and so forth.
Only Spirit can do this.
flesh can not.The angels of God are not born of water. They were created. They already share the kingdom with God, created for that very purpose
so they don't need to inherit, it's already theirs.
and they cannot be born again.
We can however, and must go through this final process
before we can enter the kingdom
which is our reward.Don't get confused with the renewing of the mind.
This obviously has to happen first,
for the rest to take place.God bless
Hi M,
It is fine to have an opinion but do not expect it to carry any weight unless you can show the concept is shown elsewhere in scriptureQuote (Jeremy @ Feb. 19 2012,05:15) No not like that although I really like that scripture, its a good one to reflect on before praying. I have my own belief about the trinity but, I prayed that I may have true understanding so that it would not
become a stumbling block for me. I envisioned he would show me wether the trinity was true or not, however he showed me not to worry about it, for now at least.
Hi Jeremy,God has indeed answered your prayer by bringing you to Heaven.net.
I have just started as study on this very issue, please join me on this thread… (Click on this link)Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgHumans are born of blood. Could the “water” be talking about the waters of heaven mentioned in earlier scriptures?
John says that Jesus was born of “water and blood”. Could this be signifying that he was born of the waters of heaven (on his Father's side) and of blood (on his mother's side)?
Just a thought. I haven't looked into it at all.
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 19 2012,14:14) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,11:59) Hi Marlin,
Everyone is born of water??
No scriptural support for this.
Hi NickWhen a fetes is growing inside of it's mothers womb, it is surrounded in amniotic fluid. At first, this fluid is mainly water with electrolytes, then as the baby develops, the water starts to contain proteins, and other things which aid the babes growth.
When a woman goes into labour, her water breaks. This is called the fore waters. The rest of the fluid inside is called the hind water, and this all comes out when baby is born.
Hence we get the meaning, that we are all born of water.
This is not explained in the scriptures, because it is not a medical journal.
So before we can get into the kingdom of God, we must be born flesh first. Born of Water.
Then at the appointed time, (Christ's 2nd coming) we will be raised or changed to spirit.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God,
but when we are born again into spirit (changed)
only then,
can we inherit the kingdom,
and travel to heaven and back and so forth.
Only Spirit can do this.
flesh can not.The angels of God are not born of water. They were created. They already share the kingdom with God, created for that very purpose
so they don't need to inherit, it's already theirs.
and they cannot be born again.
We can however, and must go through this final process
before we can enter the kingdom
which is our reward.Don't get confused with the renewing of the mind.
This obviously has to happen first,
for the rest to take place.God bless
Hi Georgie,YES! …excellent post, Journey42! …and:
The fallen Angels need first to be born human,
and then need to be born again to be redeemed.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgJourney42,
Your post is pretty close. I believe you are in error here.
Quote Then at the appointed time, (Christ's 2nd coming) we will be raised or changed to spirit…. but when we are born again into spirit (changed)
only then, …..Unless you be born again here and now, just as Jesus said, you will never see the kingdom of God. Jesus is not a lier, that man can make His Word of no effect.
What was it at Pentecost, what did the early church have?
God Bless
MarlinHe was baptised by water, and then by the Holy Spirit. Is there scripture that says he was baptised in his blood?
All living beings are born of spirit. It is the force that animates all of us. It is what God breathed into Adam to animate him. Human beings are born of blood and spirit, yet Jesus was said to have been born of water and spirit.
It is a thought that came to me, and I haven't yet had the time to investigate. I posted it to see if any others out there have had that same thought.
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