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Hi All,
This is from the “Mike versus Francis” debate discussion thread that Keith started. Page 118, 6th post from the top:
I asked Keith:
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 20 2011 @ 19:31) Are there elohim mentioned in scripture who are neither “God Almighty” nor “false gods”? Keith, who had been insisting for years that any “god” mentioned in scripture who was not God Almighty was a “false god”, finally responded with:
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2011 @ 05:31)
MikeYes
I said:
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011 @ 00:07) If there are others called elohim who are neither God Almighty nor false gods, then JUST being called “elohim” is not proof of being God Almighty. You need more. And I'm willing to hear out and discuss all the “more” that you are willing to dispense. Keith responded with:
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2011 @ 04:32) Isn't that what Francis, D, and Jack and I have been saying but you will not let Francis discuss context as to why “God” in Hebrews 1:8 is God. Why do you keep beating this dead horse?
Everyone not just I are saying that just because Jesus is called God does not mean he is God.
We have been telling you all along it is all about context yet you keep saying that God (elohim or theos) only means ruler, or leader which defies the definition given for them depending on its context.
Keith was quick to bring this up:
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:43)
you have admitted that “being called God can mean that one is God“.To which I responded:
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 22 2011,20:32) Yes Keith, I said that. And seeing how YHVH is called “god” many times in scripture, I'd say it goes without saying, right? Deborah being called “god” doesn't mean she is NOT God, but it doesn't mean she IS, right? Same with Moses, certain angels, and the kings referred to in Psalm 45:6 and 138:1, right? So we have established that being called “god” doesn't mean you are NOT God Almighty, but it sure as the gospel doesn't mean you ARE God Almighty. There is no need to discuss this any further. Just as there is no need to discuss the scriptures where Jesus is called by the title of “god” any further, because they only prove that Jesus was called by a title that many others in scripture were also called by. And by your own words, “just because Jesus is called God does not mean he is God.”
This point has been SOLIDLY established and agreed upon by BOTH OF US, so let's stop circling around John 1:1, 1:18, 20:28, Titus 2:13 and Hebrews 1:8……………and move on to something that really DOES teach us that Jesus is God Almighty, okay?
And what exactly IS the “context” of John 1:1?
The Word was WITH the being known to John as “THE God”, and the Word was called by the title “god”. So it is one case of many in scripture where a vice regent of God was called by the title “god”. The fact that this particular god was WITH the One called “THE GOD” by John makes it pretty clear that this one was not “THE GOD”, because he was WITH that One.God is ONE SINGLE BEING, for we only have one God. The single being of God cannot be said to be WITH the single being of God.
How about John 1:18?
This one tells us that no one has EVER seen God. It tells us the the “only begotten god” has made God known to us. Well, no one has EVER seen God, yet many people saw Jesus. That's a no-brainer. Also, God is not “begotten” by anyone at anytime. Another no-brainer.How about John 20:28?
Considering that “god” meant “judge”, “ruler” or “mighty one”, and was used for human judges, angels and kings in scripture, this is also a no-brainer. Thomas calls Jesus “my god”, which would have the same effect as calling him “my ruler” or “my king” in those days. Thomas isn't referring to Jesus as “God Almighty” anymore than Paul refers to Satan as “God Almighty” when he calls him the “god of this age”.And let's not forget that Jesus has someone he calls “my God” five times in scripture. He even tells us that our God is HIS God. God Almighty does NOT have a God.
How about Titus 2:13?
This one is a Trinitarian “loophole” proof text. The KJV translates it like this:
13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;And that's what the scripture really says, based on Titus 1:4 and Paul's other writings. But because the Greek is constructed in a way that it is grammatically possible that the verse can say, “our great god and savior, Jesus Christ”, this is obviously the way the trinitarian translations now all render it. To which I point out Isaiah 9:6, in which Jehovah Himself foretells that Jesus will be called “mighty god”. So considering that “mighty” and “great” mean the same basic thing, even with their favored translation, it would simply be a case of prophecy being fulfilled.
And “mighty god” is not the same of “ALMIGHTY God”, which basically means “the God OF gods” – both titles that are held only by the God OF Jesus Christ.
What about Hebrews 1:8?
This one is a case of Psalm 45:6 being quoted by a NT writer, usually thought to be Paul. But virtually every Trinitarian scholar considers the “elohim” in Psalm 45:6 to be an earthly king. (Remember? The word “god” was also used for human kings more than once in scripture.) So if this scripture is about a “king”, and not about GOD ALMIGHTY, why would applying it to Jesus change the meaning from “king” to “God Almighty”?
Also, considering that Keith stresses the CONTEXT, we must take into account Hebrews 1:9. That one clearly says that the God OF the aforementioned god is the One who has set the aforementioned god above his companions. God Almighty does not have a God that sets Him above
or below others. He already is “God Most High”.Well, that about does it. The only thing the Trinitarians even had going with these 6 verses (including Isaiah 9:6), is that Jesus was called by the title “god”. There is NOTHING in the context of any of them to imply these particular mentions of “god” meant “God Almighty”. In fact, there is much evidence to the contrary.
So now that Keith and the others have acknowledged the truth of the matter and have admitted that “just because Jesus is called God does not mean he is God”, he will have no choice but to claim “CONTEXT” every time he brings up one of these 6 scriptures, (as if there would only be 6 scriptures out of thousands that teach us Jesus is God Almighty.
). And when he does, we will all know ahead of time that using the context in each and every one of these actually reinforces the scriptural truth that Jesus is NOT God Almighty.
peace and love,
mikeHi All
Here is my counter question to Mike and his answer…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,14:16) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2011,04:32) When Jesus is referred to as “elohim” or “theos” does it absolutely and positively mean he is “NOT” God Almighty?
I BELIEVE I SAID: “NO!So what has Mike proved? Mike also has made these statements…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2011,17:00) And I don't know of a scripture that calls Jesus “the true god”, but I agree that he is. And…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 05 2011,18:35) Jesus is the god, or “powerful ruler” of all in heaven right now, and of the believer's on earth. So Thanks Mike for admitting that the word “God” in referring to Jesus can mean that Jesus is The True God and that he is your “true god”!
So once again, what has Mike proved?
So when we bring up a scripture that calls Jesus God then according to Mikes own words they can mean that he is God almighty!
In fact Mike has yet to show us by scripture how Jesus is not “God” and how he is not “Almighty”. Therefore because Jesus is called “God” and he is “Almighty” then that means he is God Almighty. Rev 1:8 – Rev 22:12, 13 – Rev 22:20
WJ
WorshippingJesus posted:
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2011,17:00) And I don't know of a scripture that calls Jesus “the true god”, but I agree that he is. And…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 05 2011,18:35) Jesus is the god, or “powerful ruler” of all in heaven right now, and of the believer's on earth. So Thanks Mike for admitting that the word “God” in referring to Jesus can mean that Jesus is The True God and that he is your “true god”!
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Keith,
You cornered him.
Jack
Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 09 2011,13:13) So Thanks Mike for admitting that the word “God” in referring to Jesus can mean that Jesus is The True God and that he is your “true god”!
You're welcome Jack. I also admit that the word “god” in reference to Deborah can mean SHE is the True God.But it's not just about the word, is it? It's about the context that goes along with it, isn't it?
Stick around Jack. You don't learn quite as quickly as Keith, but you are a good student. Once I'm done UN-teaching you guys all the crap you've held so dear, I'll help you to understand the real meaning of the scriptures, okay?
I don't mind at all.
mike
ps……Keith, I've answered your deceitful post in your new thead. You know I clarified my mistake in my very next post where you brought it up. To bring a quote of mine up weeks later, KNOWING I clarified it and told you what I meant to type, is just wrong.
But I guess you can't see that, can you?
That's really sad.Do either of you geniuses have anything to say about the topic of this thread?
Or would you prefer to do what David saw you doing in the other thread? You are trying to “smother over” Keith's famous acknowledgement. It won't work. I'll be posting that baby big and blue all over the place………….ever time either of you make a claim like, “Well, it CALLS him 'god', so he must BE 'God' “.
mike
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,13:51)
Mike has admitted that the word “theos” or God when referring to Jesus could mean he is God Almighty!
Not quite Keith. What I said is that someone being called by the title “elohim” does not automatically mean they are NOT God Almighty. This should be evident from the many times we know God Almighty is referred to by that title.But while “elohim” COULD refer to God Almighty, the title in and of itself is not enough to conclude that it does. For that, we must take the context into consideration.
There are only 6 scriptures (out of thousands) where Jesus is called by the title “god”. And not one of those six scriptures is surrounded by context that would imply Jesus is anything more than a “mighty one” and a “vice regent” of his own God.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,13:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2011,17:00) And I don't know of a scripture that calls Jesus “the true god”, but I agree that he is. I answered to this mistake two pages later on the same thread, Found Here, 8th post from the top. This is my post:
Quote And I didn't read the word “THE” close enough in my comment. I meant, and should have said that Jesus is “A true god”, just as the ones God called “gods” and Satan are true gods. It is a title that means “ruler”, Keith. Are you saying that Satan is NOT a true “ruler” to many?
You'll notice from my argument about Satan, that this is before Keith finally admitted, “that just because Jesus is called God does not mean he is God.” At that time, he was still insistent that all “elohim” besides Jesus and Jehovah were “false gods”. He has since acknowledged the truth of the matter. And some of you told me Keith was “unteachable”. But just look at him learning scriptural truth by leaps and bounds! You'll also notice that I made a typographical error which I clarified to him the next day. Yet many weeks later, he chooses to use my mistake as “evidence” about what I believe.
Can anyone say “TRUE COLORS”?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,13:51)
In fact Mike has yet to show us by scripture how Jesus is not “God” and how he is not “Almighty”.
That's a flat out lie, Keith. I've showed you plenty. Take your pick of the many times he's called “the Son of God”. That title in itself is enough to tell you he's not the God he is the Son of.mike
To all, (Col.3:9-11)
What makes you guys 'think' trying to 'trick' someone
by asking questions with 'spin' to make it appear that
they are agreeing with you when you take their 'words
out of context' will accomplish anything but resentment?The New Man (Eph.2:15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgWJ said:
Quote In fact Mike has yet to show us by scripture how Jesus is not “God” and how he is not “Almighty”. Mike deflected:
Quote That's a flat out lie, Keith. I've showed you plenty. Take your pick of the many times he's called “the Son of God”. That title in itself is enough to tell you he's not the God he is the Son of.
So by Mike's logic when Jesus called Himself the “Son of Man” He was denying that He was Man.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,19:58) You're welcome Jack. I also admit that the word “god” in reference to Deborah can mean SHE is the True God.
Whats this? “..the word “god” in reference to Deborah can mean SHE is the True God“Yet now you go back on your words and say Jesus is not “The true god” though he sits in the Throne of God ruling as God?
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,20:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,13:51)
Mike has admitted that the word “theos” or God when referring to Jesus could mean he is God Almighty!
Not quite Keith. What I said is that someone being called by the title “elohim” does not automatically mean they are NOT God Almighty. This should be evident from the many times we know God Almighty is referred to by that title.
MikeThis is what you said….
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,14:16) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2011,04:32) When Jesus is referred to as “elohim” or “theos” does it absolutely and positively mean he is “NOT” God Almighty?
I BELIEVE I SAID: “NO!So in other words you admit that Jesus being called God can mean he is God Almighty!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,20:03)
But while “elohim” COULD refer to God Almighty, the title in and of itself is not enough to conclude that it does. For that, we must take the context into consideration.
Exactly, and context tells us Jesus is God Almighty because not only is he referred to by the Apostles as their “God” but also he is “Almighty”. You need to prove he is not and you can’t because there is no difference in the nature of the Father and the Son.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,20:03) There are only 6 scriptures (out of thousands) where Jesus is called by the title “god”. And not one of those six scriptures is surrounded by context that would imply Jesus is anything more than a “mighty one” and a “vice regent” of his own God.
Yea right Mike. There are literally hundreds of scriptures that not only call Jesus God but show that he is equal to God not only in position and power, but also in nature and works.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,20:03)
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,13:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2011,17:00) And I don't know of a scripture that calls Jesus “the true god”, but I agree that he is. I answered to this mistake two pages later on the same thread, Found Here, 8th post from the top. This is my post:
Quote And I didn't read the word “THE” close enough in my comment. I meant, and should have said that Jesus is “A true god”, just as the ones God called “gods” and Satan are true gods. It is a title that means “ruler”, Keith. Are you saying that Satan is NOT a true “ruler” to many?
Okay Mike, let’s look at your statements again…Now notice your two statements with your supposed typo…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2011,17:00) And I don't know of a scripture that calls Jesus “[a] true god“, but I agree that he is. Then you also said…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 05 2011,18:35) Jesus is ”[the] god”, or “powerful ruler” of all in heaven right now, and of the believer's on earth.
Do you see the words “The god”? So if he is “The god” of all in heaven right now then is he not “The True God”? What is the difference in the 2 statements? You are just spinning!Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,20:03)
You'll notice from my argument about Satan, that this is before Keith finally admitted, “that just because Jesus is called God does not mean he is God.” At that time, he was still insistent that all “elohim” besides Jesus and Jehovah were “false gods”.
Right and I still stand behind that because the scriptures say there is “Only One True God” which means all others are false or not gods at all and since the word “Elohiym” can mean “God, gods, men, rulers, judges, angels” it should be translated that way according to its context. In other words if the context bears out that the one called “elohiym” is a judge or a man or a ruler it should be translated that way which means they are not gods at all. Gods to men are supposedly supernatural beings that they follow, pray to and worship as their God, and if the context is not the “One True God” then they are false gods fabricated by men as idols. There are so-called
gods of men as Paul says, which he clarifies by saying “there is no God but one”. Why can’t you get this?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,20:03) He has since acknowledged the truth of the matter. And some of you told me Keith was “unteachable”. But just look at him learning scriptural truth by leaps and bounds!
Thanks Mike, but you should also quote me in context and not misrepresent my words.I also said… “We have been telling you all along IT IS ALL ABOUT CONTEXT yet you keep saying that God (elohim or theos) only means ruler, or leader which defies the definition given for them depending on its context.
Yet you keep creating these diversions and smokescreens instead of showing us in context of scripture how Jesus is not “The True God”.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,20:03)
You'll also notice that I made a typographical error which I clarified to him the next day. Yet many weeks later, he chooses to use my mistake as “evidence” about what I believe. Can anyone say “TRUE COLORS”?
OK Mike, but what is the difference? These are your words….OPTION 1
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2011,17:00) And I don't know of a scripture that calls Jesus “[a] true god”, but I agree that he is.
OPTION 2Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 05 2011,18:35) Jesus is ”[the] god”, or “powerful ruler” of all in heaven right now, and of the believer's on earth.
If you choose option one then you are a Polytheist, and if you choose option 2 then Jesus is either “The True God” of all believers or you are a Polytheist and serve more than one God. So you say Jesus is “a true god” and he is “the god” of all believers in heaven and earth, what is the difference?Where is your true colors to admit that both statements mean the same thing?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,20:03)
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,13:51)
In fact Mike has yet to show us by scripture how Jesus is not “God” and how he is not “Almighty”.
That's a flat out lie, Keith. I've showed you plenty. Take your pick of the many times he's called “the Son of God”. That title in itself is enough to tell you he's not the God he is the Son of.
Say what you want but you have not shown us how Jesus is not equal to the Father not only in his current position but also in his nature.Do some study Mike and you will see the term “Son of God” is not antithetical to the term God and in fact they wanted to stone Jesus because he claimed God was his own Father and that he was the Son of God. I wonder why? How many demons have cried out to you… “…What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?”
Since you believe Jesus is “the god” to all believers in heaven and earth then in what way is Jesus not God since he sits in the Throne of God, ruling as God?
WJ
Mike said:
Quote I also admit that the word “god” in reference to Deborah can mean SHE is the True God.
Let's see here…Deborah is the true God and satan is “the God” (ho theos) and Jesus is a god.
Paul (Is. 1:18) had it right when he said:
“It's a race to the bottom when it comes to the Arian assessment of Yeshua. That's the nature of their theology.” https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….=244856
Mike is winning the race to the bottom.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 11 2011,14:50) Mike said: Quote I also admit that the word “god” in reference to Deborah can mean SHE is the True God.
Let's see here…Deborah is the true God and satan is “the God” (ho theos) and Jesus is a god.
Paul (Is. 1:18) had it right when he said:
“It's a race to the bottom when it comes to the Arian assessment of Yeshua. That's the nature of their theology.” https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….=244856
Mike is winning the race to the bottom.
JackGreat quote and true however your link is wrong.
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,19:58) You're welcome Jack. I also admit that the word “god” in reference to Deborah can mean SHE is the True God.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,12:23)
Whats this? “..the word “god” in reference to Deborah can mean SHE is the True God“Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 11 2011,13:50) Let's see here… Deborah is the true God and satan is “the God” (ho theos) and Jesus is a god.
Are you you guys saying I'm wrong? She is referred to as “elohim”, right? And “elohim” can refer to “God Almighty”, right?Just like Jesus, right? Ahhh…………but it is the context that tells us whether or not Deborah really IS God Almighty, right? And the context tells us she was a MESSIAH AND A VICE REGENT OF GOD ALMIGHTY, right?
And by that context, we can know that Deborah was NOT God Almighty Himself, right?Hmmmmm…………who else do we know that was a MESSIAH AND A VICE REGENT OF GOD ALMIGHTY and was also called by the title “elohim”?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2011,10:03) Are you you guys saying I'm wrong? She is referred to as “elohim”, right? And “elohim” can refer to “God Almighty”, right? Just like Jesus, right? Ahhh…………but it is the context that tells us whether or not Deborah really IS God Almighty, right?
Exactly MikeWhich means that she is a “Judge” and not a “god” or else the Hebrews would have called them “their God” and not “their Judge”, man you are dense.
However Jesus in context is God because he sits in the Throne of God ruling as God and not a god.
The word “Elohim” can mean God, gods, angels, idols, men depending on context as to what they are.
You can't say all “elohims” are gods Mike? Try translating the word “Elohim” as “god” or God every time you see it and see what you get. You would get confusion and a Polytheistic book.
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2011,10:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,19:58) You're welcome Jack. I also admit that the word “god” in reference to Deborah can mean SHE is the True God.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,12:23)
Whats this? “..the word “god” in reference to Deborah can mean SHE is the True God“Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 11 2011,13:50) Let's see here… Deborah is the true God and satan is “the God” (ho theos) and Jesus is a god.
Are you you guys saying I'm wrong? She is referred to as “elohim”, right? And “elohim” can refer to “God Almighty”, right?
MikeWhat we are saying is you are willing to admit that Deborah could be “”the True God” but yet you say Jesus is not “the True God” though you say he is “a True God or “The God” of all believers in heaven and on earth.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 12 2011,12:13) Exactly Mike Which means that she is a “Judge” and not a “god” or else the Hebrews would have called them “their God” and not “their Judge”, man you are dense.
Really Keith?I wasn't aware that the Hebrews used different forms of “elohim” to distinguish between the times they were referring to God Almighty and the times they were referring to judges.
Get real, man. They used the very same word in both cases. And THAT was my whole point in the Francis debate – that if we would have picked a word like “ruler” or “judge” and stuck with it for every use of “el”, “elohim” and “theos”, we'd all be better off.
Because then WE could read the context and WE could determine if this particular elohim was Jehovah, or a judge or king or angel or whatever.
But what we have now is an overwhelming number of TRINITARIAN translators deciding FOR US when it means God with a capital “G” and when it means god with a small “g” and when it means judge or angel or whatever. Heck, sometimes they even translate it as “power” or “mighty”.
If we had translated the word truthfully in the first place, you would not even speak such nonsense as this: or else the Hebrews would have called them “their God” and not “their Judge”. For it was NOT the Hebrews who called “them” by different names, but the translators of the scriptures.
mike
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 12 2011,12:24) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2011,10:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,19:58) You're welcome Jack. I also admit that the word “god” in reference to Deborah can mean SHE is the True God.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,12:23)
Whats this? “..the word “god” in reference to Deborah can mean SHE is the True God“Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 11 2011,13:50) Let's see here… Deborah is the true God and satan is “the God” (ho theos) and Jesus is a god.
Are you you guys saying I'm wrong? She is referred to as “elohim”, right? And “elohim” can refer to “God Almighty”, right?
MikeWhat we are saying is you are willing to admit that Deborah could be “”the True God” but yet you say Jesus is not “the True God” though you say he is “a True God or “The God” of all believers in heaven and on earth.
WJ
Yes Keith,That's real funny and cute. Here's the question again:
Are you you guys saying I'm wrong? She is referred to as “elohim”, right? And “elohim” can refer to “God Almighty”, right?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2011,21:27) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 12 2011,12:13) Exactly Mike Which means that she is a “Judge” and not a “god” or else the Hebrews would have called them “their God” and not “their Judge”, man you are dense.
Really Keith?I wasn't aware that the Hebrews used different forms of “elohim” to distinguish between the times they were referring to God Almighty and the times they were referring to judges.
MikeIt is not a matter of different forms of “Elohim” it is a matter of what the Hebrew meant when they used the word depending on context and how it was used in referring to “judges, rulers, men, angels or idols, gods or God. This is the definition of the word and how it can be translated.
Strong's H430 – 'elohiym
1) (plural)
a) rulers, judges
b) divine ones
c) angels
d) gods
2) (plural intensive – singular meaning)
a) god, goddess
b) godlike one
c) works or special possessions of God
d) the (true) God
e) God
But you know better than the scholars and try and reinvent its definition.
What part of the definitions of 'elohiym don't you understand?
Are you saying that in every case the word should be translated “a god”, God, or ruler and thats it?
Go ahead and try every time the word ” 'elohiym is mentioned to translate it just ruler or “a god” and see what you get.
Who needs to get real Mike?
ARE YOU SAYING THAT IN EVERY CASE THE WORD ELOHIYM IS MENTIONED IT SHOULD BE TRANSLATED AS “A god”, GOD OR RULER?
Surely you aren't saying “idols” or “false gods” are rulers are you?
It appears Mike believes that the word “elohiym should mean only one thing.
That is like saying the word “light” should always mean “light” that we see.
Using the same word doesn't always have the same meaning in any language Mike. This is basic stuff man.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 12 2011,07:00) Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 11 2011,14:50) Mike said: Quote I also admit that the word “god” in reference to Deborah can mean SHE is the True God.
Let's see here…Deborah is the true God and satan is “the God” (ho theos) and Jesus is a god.
Paul (Is. 1:18) had it right when he said:
“It's a race to the bottom when it comes to the Arian assessment of Yeshua. That's the nature of their theology.” https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….=244856
Mike is winning the race to the bottom.
JackGreat quote and true however your link is wrong.
WJ
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