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I can show dozens of examples of different people occasionally getting off topic on this forum.
However, now i'm being singled out by T8 or Heaven the Administrator merely because I answer back to others who get off the subject topics , then I'm accused by T8 or Heaven of writing things in my replies to others who are also off subject topic, including T8 or Heaven himself.
The example of that is in the last posts of the “” trinity topic “” of others talking about YAHWEH or GOD or YHWH, then I'm accused by Heaven who is really T8 the Administrator of writing or mentioning the baal thing in that topic, however, in fact through all those posts, it is Heaven or T8 the Administrator that is even writing or mentioning the baal thing in that topic, not me.
Please some show me where I even mentioned the baal thing in the trinity topic ?
Why am i being singled out for supposedly getting off topic when everyone else is doing the same including Heaven or T8 the Administrator?
Or, am i not even allowed to answer back to others off subject topics in reply to them?
Or, is it ok for the rest of the people on here to briefly get off subject, but I'm not even allowed to reply back to others “” off subject topics regusrding the same as they are doing?
Also, why am I being accused of writing or mentioning something that I did not write or even mention in my replies to the off subject topics in the ” trinity ” topic ?
Also, why am I the only ONE to be reprimanded and then threatened to being banned from the forum for merely replying back to others off subject topics including Heaven or T8 the Administrator who is doing the same?
Is there respect or dis-respect of persons here as similar to ( James 2:9 ) ?
I will also remind Heaven who is really T8 that when I first came to this forum, he and Nick gave me their word that I would not be banned from this forum merely for posting a different belief than they do, so if I'm banned from the forum, then their word is not worth a plugged nickle, and they show respect of persons, which is also contrary to scriptures too.
So, if i'm banned from the forum for merely answering back to off subject topics, with off subject replies, as the same as he and others are doing the same, then everyone else will have to be banned as well, including Heaven or T8 the Administrator too.
Respest or dis-respect of persons ?
Reguarding the TRINITY TOPIC .
Kenrich
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Quote (david @ Feb. 11 2006,23:29)
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There are false gods of clay. Statues of lizards, golden calfs, etc. Money will be a god, if you let it. There are gods but not the “real” God.Right, exactly. But besides this, Jesus, for example is called a God. Looking at the meaning of the original Hebrew word, and that word does fit him. It certainly fits him more than it fits Satan, mighty as Satan is. So, whether in heaven (the angels were called gods) or on earth, many can be called a god, or gods, but to us, as the scripture goes, there is actually one God. Or as John 17:3 says, the only true God. Unlike any other “mighty” one, he alone is “Almighty.”
Act 17:24 The God that made the world and all things therein, he, being Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
All the Roman gods no matter how many were false gods. I don't believe there are any “real” gods but Jehovah (Yahweh).
As I said before the latter day saints believe there are more Gods that Jehovah. Jehovah is our God. Zeus is a God of different people and worlds. I don't believe that. I believe that Jehovah (Yahweh) is the one God of everything in this universe or any other universe star or anything that be.
Does that make sense?
By Sultan
Quote Yes. In other words Yahweh is not just a God by title, but by His very being. He is true deity. He defines deity. Others are called gods, but are nothing. The term god is just a title. It's funny how what you're saying is Bible, but it seems that sometimes people just want to disagree for the sake of disagreement. By SEEKING TRUTH
Quote I believe “god” refers to our treatment of something as god (putting our faith, trust, adoration into it) but there is only one Who is God By you Heaven or T8
Quote YHWH like many others is a god. What kind of god is he? He is the Most High God, the Almighty. By David
Quote Kenrch, I'm really not sure what point you're making. “whether in heaven or in earth,” many gods. Quote
There is none other God but one 1Cor. 8:4.
How many gods did the Egyptians have. Weren't the Roman Emperors called lords etc. Even my JWs friend at work says the same.You say there is none other God but one. But your very next sentence asks how many gods the Egyptians had. This is where understanding comes in: There is only one true God. (John 17:3) There is only one is described as being “alone,” the “most high.” (Ps 83:18)
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There is none other God but one 1Cor. 8:4.
How many gods did the Egyptians have. Weren't the Roman Emperors called lords etc. Even my JWs friend at work says the same.And so do I. There is only one true God, Jehovah, the Father, the “Almighy,” the “most high.” But others could be described as god, or gods, either because of their might or because of their being worshipped. Remember, even a person's belly could be called a god, if food is your main thing in life.
Kenrch, I might need a clearer explanation of what you're saying.david.
Then here is mine.
Quote You would do well to look into the original scriptures, for the English word ” god ” is in the Hebrew texts too, however, it is not referring to YHWH either. Read this blog first…My Webpage
Modern mankind has only re-defined in their own meaning the title name ' god or God ' of an idol deity, the same as they have re-defined the word ” easter and christmas ” into modern terms of meaning that people merely think they are now acceptable and right to YHWH, however, they are clearly not according to scriptures
I merely answered in reply back to everyone else who were posting off the subject topic in the trinity topic.
Why was not everyone else reprimanded and told it was their last chance too for getting off the subject topic including you Heaven or T8 ?
Then why not ban everyone else on the forum too, including yourself T8 or Heaven, then you can discuss scriptures with yourself ?
IS 1:18 and maybe a few others.
I'm about finished with this biased and hypocritical forum, as Heaven or T8 the Administrator is now turning on me in dis-respect, and showing respect of persons that scriptures plainly speak against such.
You know where i'm at if any of you ever need me, and how to contact me.
So long,
Eliyah C.
To Eliyah,
Yes people diverge at times, but not consistently like yourself.
One of the rules here is that you cannot spam. I consider what you are doing as spam. Unwanted solicitation on the subject of Baal in other discussions is not necessary and not in context. You had a discussion on that topic, that should have been enough.You mentioned in another post that you would leave if an Admin asked you to leave. So I will take you up on that request. I am asking to you to leave the forums. That way I won't have to ban you if you honour your own words, and your posts will stay intact and under your name. I think that is the best plan.
Thank you.
Like i said before, I never mentioned the baal thing in my posts on the trinity topic, your the one who mentioned it, not me.
You said
Quote Yes people diverge at times, but not consistently like yourself. I was not diverging from the trinity topic, I merely replied back to everyone else's ( including your) off subject topics, but where did i even mention the baal thing in my posts?
You said again,
Quote One of the rules here is that you cannot spam. I consider what you are doing as spam. Unwanted solicitation on the subject of Baal in other discussions is not necessary and not in context. I merely posted a link for others to read my article as you asked me to do before ( Remember ? ) to save space on the forums server, if that is spam then there are many more on this forum, including you, who have done the same to save space on the forum.
And again, I ask you to please show me, where did I solicit or even mention , or write the subject of baal in the discussion topic of the trinity ??
Again, I was merely replying back with an off topic reply, to everyone else's off subject topics including your off subject topic of the discussion.
However, your the one who brought up the baal thing in the posts, it was not me, and you know it, however, you will not admitt it though.
You also said,
Quote You mentioned in another post that you would leave if an Admin. asked you to leave. So I will take you up on that request. I am asking to you to leave the forums. That way I won't have to ban you if you honour your own words, and your posts will stay intact and under your name. I think that is the best plan. I said and asked before IF ANYONE ON THE FORUM WANTED ME TO LEAVE, that I would leave if they wanted me to.
However, I would like others on the forums oppinions to address me leaving too, or do I not even have that right as a forum member to first get others on the forum's oppinions concerning this ?
However, I will NOT POST ANYMORE to the forum, and I will awaite others oppinions concerning this, or as I said befor, do I not have that right as a forum member for others oppinions on you asking me to leave the forum?
However, either way, you will still be breaking your word to me when I first came and joined the forum, which is respect or dis-respect of persons ( James 2:9).
I will not post to the forum, but I will wait to read others oppinions on you asking me to leave, then I will leave the forum as you asked of me, but please remember, I will be keeping my words, but you will be breaking your words and Nick's to me from the beginning when I joined the forum.
I await others oppinions and requests to leave the forum.
Eliyah C.
Quote However, either way, you will still be breaking your word to me when I first came and joined the forum, which is respect or dis-respect of persons ( James 2:9). A couple of people have been barred for abusing others in the forums and I think about another couple including Elyah have been barred for spam.
There has to be some rules here. The forums encourage open discussion on a wide range of subjects. Spam or continually forcing a doctrine not related to the discussion at hand will not be tolerated. Such actions actually put people off and waters down the value of the discussion itself.
If anyone has a revelation or point of view (especially if it is not mainstream) then I think that open minded people will listen, but force feeding people in discussions not related to the topic only leads to rejection. Sometimes it is not the content but the method. You will find the same thing in everyday conversations with people. If all you talk about for example is soccer regardless of the topic of a conversation, then people will soon get tired of conversing with you. This kind of behaviour will lead to rejection.
Is it not normal to delete all the unwanted conversations you get in your email everyday. Well here is no different, except I have kept the messages for others to read if they want. I just don't want it to continue.
There are enough posts here already Eliyah for others to understand your message if they choose to read what you have written.
Thx
To T8 or Heaven the Administrator,
I have not, nor was i spamming, I did as you asked me to do, I merely provided a link to where others could read my article, as to not take up valuable space on the forum as you asked me to do.
Or, don't you even remember asking me to do that also ?
All I have done is added more info to the ” baal topic”, but I did not even mention thebaal thing in the trinity topic as you accused me of doing.
Please show me in that post above where i did as you accused me of ?
I'm not trying to force anyone to do anything, like you even said yourself, if people want to read it, they know where it is to go and read it.
I have not mentioned the baal thing as you call it in any of the other topics, and neither did i mention it in the trinity topic either as you assumed.
However, I'm beginning to think that you do not want me to even post or add information to the baal topic for others to even read, when you have plainly told me that I could do so if i desired to. Or, did you not tell me that I could so on several occasions?
How can i even “” force “” anyone to read anything as you assume, or can they not choose to read it if they want to, but how on earth can i force anyone, when i'm thousands of miles from them ?
You automatically assumed in your own mind that i mentioned the baal thing in the trinity topic, when i plainly did not do so as you accused me of doing.
Look at the post again…
Quote You would do well to look into the original scriptures, for the English word ” god ” is in the Hebrew texts too, however, it is not referring to YHWH either. Read this blog first…My Webpage
Modern mankind has only re-defined in their own meaning the title name ' god or God ' of an idol deity, the same as they have re-defined the word ” easter and christmas ” into modern terms of meaning that people merely think they are now acceptable and right to YHWH, however, they are clearly not according to scriptures.
Where did i mention the topic of baal in that post at all ? I never mentioned it, however, you did, and you are assuming that i did in your own mind.
However, I will not post to the main topic forum as i have said before.
I still await others oppinions about you asking me to leave the forum, then i will leave.
Eliyah C.
I think it is stupid to ask someone to leave for posting opposite views or for posting things that are off of the subject. I have posted off subject material in forums many times. If someone posts something that i'm not open to I simply ignore them. I don't care if your a trinitarian, oneness, unitarian, binitarian, ditheist, aethiest, tritheist believer. I think as long as the person is respectful, not being vulgar or rude to anyone, it shouldn't be an issue.
Eliyah – If you are going to say you're leaving for good, then do so. You've already said three or four times that you're leaving, but then you post again. When you do this it hurts your overall credibility. People may be more likely to not believe what you're saying.
I haven't caught myself up on the threads yet, so I have no knowledge of what's recently happened. However, I was here during the time another member was here a few years back. In just about every post, this member referred to his website and “yelled” at other members. After a few weeks, his account was deleted.
Since I haven't read much of the latest posts, you could be rightl; t8 may have overreacted or something. But try to keep in mind that t8 has put up with so much spam and abuse in the past, after awhile one's patience can thin. Your “tone” may have reminded him of that other member, causing him to act. Try your best to be patient.
Anyway, here's a verse:
Romans 12:10 (NASB)
Be devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one another in honor
Quote (Woutlaw @ Feb. 16 2006,23:26) I think it is stupid to ask someone to leave for posting opposite views or for posting things that are off of the subject. I have posted off subject material in forums many times. If someone posts something that i'm not open to I simply ignore them. I don't care if your a trinitarian, oneness, unitarian, binitarian, ditheist, aethiest, tritheist believer. I think as long as the person is respectful, not being vulgar or rude to anyone, it shouldn't be an issue.
Thx for your feedback Woutlaw.No one has been barred from this Forum because of opposing views, for if that were the case, many people would be barred from coming here. As you may be aware many a denomination is represented here as most Christians in the world belong to one. The whole point is to hear opposing views in case the truth lies therein and to challenge the teachings that people bring.
No the reason for this response to Eliyah, is because he was asked nicely and repeatedly to stop trying to hijacking conversations and turning them toward another subject, that already had its own discussion. But he didn't listen and went right on. The last person who was kicked out for that behaviour was also a proponent of Yahweh only. That guy wouldn't stop making posts that linked off to yahweh.com. He was kicked out for spamming, not for his views.
Eliyah not only pushed his doctrine in unrelated discussions however, but he also engaged in abusing others at times. Here is one of his quotes:
Quote Listen Scuss bucket, I'll change your name, since you want to change the Messiah's.
You can play games all night, but evidently your a LIAR TOO?
I know that there were some who wanted him gone because of his conduct earlier on, but I decided to let him stay in the hope that he would engage in fair conversation. I think if anything he was given a lot of chances and in probably most other Forums he would have been kicked out long ago. In fact by his own confession he was kicked out of other forum(s).
In the end rules are only made for those who break them. He broke them repeatedly even after asking him many times not too.
I personally have no bitterness toward him. I did what I did, so that his behaviour wouldn't get out of hand or be copied by others. So far the discussions here have been pretty good overall and there is no point in letting them disintegrate to a platform for people promoting a particular denomination, multi-level marketing scheme, or magic wonder pill.
Personally, I have seen nothing from Eliyah that would elicit a banning. I haven't seen anything from him that would constitute “spam” as I understand it. Occasionally he submits a long post or a sequence of them, but in this regard he is not a patch on some others I could name, and at least it's his own thoughts. Also, if pasting links is an offence then Eliyah is certainly not the worst offender. I don't think he is any worst than anyone else for diverting from the topic of the thread either, but for whatever reason he seems to attract attention.
I hope you hang around Eliyah, I like you.Quote (MrBob @ Feb. 17 2006,04:14) Eliyah – If you are going to say you're leaving for good, then do so. You've already said three or four times that you're leaving, but then you post again. When you do this it hurts your overall credibility. People may be more likely to not believe what you're saying. I haven't caught myself up on the threads yet, so I have no knowledge of what's recently happened. However, I was here during the time another member was here a few years back. In just about every post, this member referred to his website and “yelled” at other members. After a few weeks, his account was deleted.
Since I haven't read much of the latest posts, you could be rightl; t8 may have overreacted or something. But try to keep in mind that t8 has put up with so much spam and abuse in the past, after awhile one's patience can thin. Your “tone” may have reminded him of that other member, causing him to act. Try your best to be patient.
Anyway, here's a verse:
Romans 12:10 (NASB)
Be devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one another in honor
Thanks for your feedback MrBob.Quote (Is 1:18 @ Feb. 17 2006,04:52) Personally, I have seen nothing from Eliyah that would elicit a banning. I haven't seen anything from him that would constitute “spam” as I understand it. Occasionally he submits a long post or a sequence of them, but in this regard he is not a patch on some others I could name, and at least it's his own thoughts. Also, if pasting links is an offence then Eliyah is certainly not the worst offender. I don't think he is any worst than anyone else for diverting from the topic of the thread either, but for whatever reason he seems to attract attention.
I hope you hang around Eliyah, I like you.
OK I tell you what:I have no problem asking him back, if he preaches his Baal Gad message in the Ball Gad discussions only.
I will create a voting poll. If most people want him back, then I will post a message in this forum and invite him back if he wants to come back (and play by the rules).
I never said that I was leaving for good in any of my posts, however, what did ask in those posts was IF anyone on the forum wanted me to leave because I perceived that a certain person wanted me to leave the forum, and now I know it was T8.
Please re-read and check those posts more carefully.
Also, since Heaven or T8 is diging up dead bones from the past, which both IS 1:18 and myself already appologized to each other for that incident when he T8 quoted my words to IS 1:18 of….
Quote Listen Scuss bucket, I'll change your name, since you want to change the Messiah's.
You can play games all night, but evidently your a LIAR TOO?
As far as this digging up dead bones or past forgiven offences is concerned, I also wrote and sent IS 1:18 a private message appologizing to him for that remark, however, where I come from here that words means a ” liar “, and I even told him ( IS 1:18 ) that I never meant that word as many others understood it and take its meaning.
Also, AFTER I sent IS 1:18 that private message appologizing to him, I then posted the same in public of this forum TWICE too at this address…
This is under the topic called “” Thanks and Appreciation to T8 the Administrator “”
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….1;t=350
Quote Posted: Sep. 24 2005,09:59 This is what the posts from both IS 1:18 and myself said to each other,of…
Quote To IS 1:18, Please forgive me, your not a ” scuss bucket ” in the derogatory sence that some mean those words, that was not my meaning and intention, for if you , then so am I too.
I'm no different or better off than anyone else, and I do not claim to be either.
E.C.
Unquote of my words.
Now IS 1:18 words back to me of…
Quote No problems Eliyah. Be well my friend. These are the last posts at the bottom of the topic called… Thanks and Appreciation to T8 the Administrator at..
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….1;t=350
And I would probably think that IS 1:18 still has a copy of my private post to him, if he did not remove it, I know I still do, and I still REMEMBER EVERY WORD OF IT ALSO.
I told you, I never forget anything
Strange though is it not, that I never received an answer back from T8 for me thanking him then in that topic post, I'm beginning to wonder now why he did not respond back to me thanking him?
T8 is also violating several scriptures for bringing up past forgiven offences, are you not glad that the true Abba( Father) Yah and Messiah is not like T8 in digging up past forgiven offences of all of us ?
If a brother trespasses against another brother, how many time is he suppose to forgive his brother when his brother asked for forgiveness ? Remember ? It was SEVENTY( 70) TIMES SEVEN ( 7)( Matt.18:22-23).( Red Letter) from Messiah Himself.
Have I sinned against anyone on here that many times yet, and have you forgiven me that many times yet ? Hardly.
Would the Savior bring back up( digging up dead bones to feed on ) past forgiven sins between brethren as T8 has done above ?
Also, does T8 live by that scripture above, or is it just like many other scriptures that some just play pick and choose ?
And T8, since when did I already vote in your poll ? Or, did you already vote for me and against me and my will ? Or, don't I even get to vote ?
I wonder how many of the hypocrit Pharisees that voted against Messiah also, as similar the same is being done to me by a certain high priest ?
Quote If a brother trespasses against another brother, how many time is he suppose to forgive his brother when his brother asked for forgiveness ? Remember ? It was SEVENTY( 70) TIMES SEVEN ( 7)( Matt.18:22-23).( Red Letter) from Messiah Himself. Who will be the first on this forum to live by and obey that scripture from Messiah himself ?
By the way, I only see one vote on your poll, how did it get to be 100 percent? And since when don't I get to vote ?
I guess Messiah never got to vote either in the Sanhedrin council against Him either did he?
Mr. Bob uou said,,
Quote Eliyah – If you are going to say you're leaving for good, then do so. You've already said three or four times that you're leaving, but then you post again. When you do this it hurts your overall credibility. People may be more likely to not believe what you're saying. I haven't caught myself up on the threads yet, so I have no knowledge of what's recently happened. However, I was here during the time another member was here a few years back. In just about every post, this member referred to his website and “yelled” at other members. After a few weeks, his account was deleted.
Since I haven't read much of the latest posts, you could be rightl; t8 may have overreacted or something. But try to keep in mind that t8 has put up with so much spam and abuse in the past, after awhile one's patience can thin. Your “tone” may have reminded him of that other member, causing him to act. Try your best to be patient.
Anyway, here's a verse:
Romans 12:10 (NASB)
Be devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one another in honorMr Bob, please research the posts more carefully, I have not ” spammed” , I merely did what T8 asked me to do earlier.
Or, do I have to go get that post also and put it up here?
He asked me before to leave a “” link “” to my articles to instead of posting the entire long posts so that they would not use up valuable space on the forum, since he said the forum space ws limited, and that is exactly what I did do as he asked me to do.
If that is spamming then why did he ask me to post a link in my threads to the articles for others to read, instead of posting the entire long article on the forum, so as not to take up valuable forum space that is needed, in his own words ?
Also, if you will notice in the trinity topic that everyone else including T8 was posting off the subject topic, and all I did was reply back with a reply to the off subject topic, which was also off the subject of the trinity as everyone else was doing the same.
However, if you look in my post, you will not see the baal thing topic even mentioned nor written in my post, but T8 accused me falsely of saying that I did.
So I still ask him and everyone else, where in my post did I write or even mention the baal topic in my post??, And so far no one has shown that in my post either written nor mentioned. anywhere.
So where is the proof that he accused me of, why has he not produced it against me from my post that I wrote yet in the trinity topic?
Woutlaw said,
Quote I think it is stupid to ask someone to leave for posting opposite views or for posting things that are off of the subject. I have posted off subject material in forums many times. If someone posts something that i'm not open to I simply ignore them. I don't care if your a trinitarian, oneness, unitarian, binitarian, ditheist, aethiest, tritheist believer. I think as long as the person is respectful, not being vulgar or rude to anyone, it shouldn't be an issue. I also agree with him, however, when someone brings up a past forgiven offence between two brethren, like IS 1:18 and myself did , and I have shown the past forgiven posts between us on that and can show the private message also of this forgiveness, then that is violation of scriptures to bring up past forgiven offences between brethren, and also violates their duty as an overseer of the Assembly also, to use past forgiven offences against an accused brother, which has nothing to do with spamming or getting of subject topics.
Also everyone else , including T8 was clearly diverting off subject topic too in the trinity topic, as I have given ans shown the proof of that in my ABOVE posts.
Yes, I too think it is stupid to ban anyone for merely believing different than they do, and it seems i'm being accused for writing something that i did not write or say, so the reason T8 wants me gone, is because we differ in certain beliefs, and he can not dis-prove them with scriptures.
However, he has clearly violated several scriptures through this scene of his, and i have only pointed out two scriptures.
Since when do you throw someone out or ban them from the assembly without any proof to do so, except your own accusations which are exacly that accusations without proof ?
Isn't that another violation of the New Covenant, as some were putting whole people's out of the assembly for no reason or proof ? ( Remember that incident spoken about in the New Testament writings ? )
Clearly if you claim Heaven Net and this forum board is led by the true Messiah and He is its headship, then why is His Words being violated, if His Spirit is in you( Rom.8 )?
The Word of YAH is quick and powerful like a twoedged sword, that can prentrate to the bone and the morrow, and even peircing the the soul and the spirit, for it is used for reproof, correction, and sound doctrine and righteousness, that the man of Yah may throughly furnished uto all best works. “”
I think you alreay know where those scriptures are at.
That's all i've got to say right now, but produce your proof that you accused me of, instead of continually accusing me without proof, or bringing up past offences that have been forgiven between brethren to influence the minds of other readers on this forum, which is violation of scriptures, and which are traits of the advasary .
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