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Gal 1:16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man,
Make up your mind, is Paul stating the Spirit is in or is he teaching that Jesus Anointed is is in him?
Think of the way Jesus stated he is the son of Wisdom. Can the Spirit be the Son of God in a similar way?
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2012,16:30) T, Gal 1:16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man,
Make up your mind, is Paul stating the Spirit is in or is he teaching that Jesus Anointed is is in him?
Think of the way Jesus stated he is the son of Wisdom. Can the Spirit be the Son of God in a similar way?
kGal 1:4 who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father
HOW ARE WE RESCUED
BY GODS WORDS THE GOSPEL AND OBEDIENCE TO IT .Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called
HOW CAN WE DESERTING GOD AND CHRIST
IF NOT BY ABANDON THE WAY OF GODS WILL,Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
Gal 1:9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!AND WHAT WAS PREACHED TO THEM THAT WERE GOING THE WRONG WAY
WAS IT NOT KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING IN THE WISDOM OF GOD ???YES Gal 1:14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
Gal 1:15 But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased
Gal 1:16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man,PAUL WAS A JEW,AND WELL INSTRUCTED IN JUDAISM ,HE AD KNOWLEDGE ,BUT NOT AS THE TRUTH OF GOD BUT OF MEN ,CHRIST MADE HIM GO THROUGH THE UNDERSTANDING OF TRUTH SO THAT HIS KNOWLEDGE WOULD BE STRAITENED AND IN LINE WITH THE TRUTH ,READ THE CONVERSION OF PAUL.
Gal 2:4 This matter arose because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.
Gal 2:5 We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might remain with you.
Gal 2:6 As for those who seemed to be important—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not judge by external appearance—those men added nothing to my message.
Gal 2:7 On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as Peter had been to the Jews.
Gal 2:8 For God, who was at work in the ministry of Peter as an apostle to the Jews, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles.SO WAS IT NOT THE PREACHING OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE GOSPEL ,KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AND CHRIST ,TO THE GENTILES THAT PAUL PREACHED ?? YES
AND CHRIST NEVER SAYS HE IS THE SON OF WISDOM BUT THAT HE HIS THE SON OF GOD ,SO FOLLOW THE SCRIPTURES AND ALL IS GOOD
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2012,13:08) Gal 1:15 But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased
Gal 1:16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man,Gal 2:8 For God, who was at work in the ministry of Peter as an apostle to the Jews, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles.
“SO FOLLOW THE SCRIPTURES AND ALL IS GOOD” Good advice >
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
Terricca……….Jesus said >Joh 6:44… “NO” man “can” come to me, except the “FATHER” which has sent me “DRAW” him and “I” will raise him up at the “LAST DAY”.That LAST DAY is referencing the Last Thousand period which is the Year reign of Jesus and the Saints, for a “thousand years is as a Day with God and a Day is as a thousand years”. So the Last day is the seventh day period of God creation week. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 17 2012,09:29) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2012,13:08) Gal 1:15 But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased
Gal 1:16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man,Gal 2:8 For God, who was at work in the ministry of Peter as an apostle to the Jews, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles.
“SO FOLLOW THE SCRIPTURES AND ALL IS GOOD” Good advice >
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
Terricca……….Jesus said >Joh 6:44… “NO” man “can” come to me, except the “FATHER” which has sent me “DRAW” him and “I” will raise him up at the “LAST DAY”.That LAST DAY is referencing the Last Thousand period which is the Year reign of Jesus and the Saints, for a “thousand years is as a Day with God and a Day is as a thousand years”. So the Last day is the seventh day period of God creation week. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
Gyou are short on scriptures ;MT 5:8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
MT 6:21 for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
MT 11:29 “Take My yoke upon you and LEARN from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.
MT 13:15 FOR HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL,
WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR,
AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES,
OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES,
HEAR THEIR EARS,
AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN,
AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.’MT 13:19 “When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road.
MT 15:8 ‘THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM MEMT 15:19 “ For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.
MT 18:35 “ My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
MT 22:37 And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’
Mk 8:15 “Be careful,” Jesus warned them. “Watch out for the yeast of the Pharisees and that of Herod.”
Mk 8:16 They discussed this with one another and said, “It is because we have no bread.”
Mk 8:17 Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked them: “Why are you talking about having no bread? Do you still not see or understand? Are your hearts hardened?HAVE YOU HARDENED YOUR HEARTH GENE
Gene
Jn 6:42 They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
Jn 6:43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered.
Jn 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jn 6:45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.Jn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.so Gene did you hardened your heart
and can not see or understand Terricca………Hardening my heart against what? , there is nothing in the scripture or what I Posted that has anything to do with me hardening my heart, you call me hardening my heart when it is your false assumptions that i reject. Is this all you have to offer is just words of accusations, condemnation, and ignorance of what I quoted and posted? You seem typical of Most all Preexistences and Trinitarians so quick to falsely “accuse” and condemn others when you should be looking at you own selves. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
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About:
Gal 1:16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man,
I asked “whether the Son that is in Paul is Jesus or the Spirit?” You told me the Son was the Spirit because Jesus was not literally in Paul.
When I told you to remember how Jesus is the Son of Wisdom; you declared:
Quote AND CHRIST NEVER SAYS HE IS THE SON OF WISDOM BUT THAT HE IS THE SON OF GOD ,SO FOLLOW THE SCRIPTURES AND ALL IS GOOD And yet Scripture does state:
Matthew 11:19
King James Version (KJV)19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Who is the child of Wisdom mentioned in this verse that Jesus states Wisdom is justified of?
These things are not hard to understand.
The Spirit is the Son of God because it does as Jehovah does just as Jesus does as Wisdom does. Jesus is the Son because the Spirit of the Son dwells fully within him and does what it sees Jehovah doing.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 17 2012,10:06) Terricca………Hardening my heart against what? , there is nothing in the scripture or what I Posted that has anything to do with me hardening my heart, you call me hardening my heart when it is your false assumptions that i reject. Is this all you have to offer is just words of accusations, condemnation, and ignorance of what I quoted and posted? You seem typical of Most all Preexistences and Trinitarians so quick to falsely “accuse” and condemn others when you should be looking at you own selves. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
gIT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING WITH THE HEART THAT IS CRIPLED ,BECAUSE OF YOUR REFUSAL TO ACCEPT THE SCRIPTURES,
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2012,22:12) T, About:
Gal 1:16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man,
I asked “whether the Son that is in Paul is Jesus or the Spirit?” You told me the Son was the Spirit because Jesus was not literally in Paul.
When I told you to remember how Jesus is the Son of Wisdom; you declared:
Quote AND CHRIST NEVER SAYS HE IS THE SON OF WISDOM BUT THAT HE IS THE SON OF GOD ,SO FOLLOW THE SCRIPTURES AND ALL IS GOOD And yet Scripture does state:
Matthew 11:19
King James Version (KJV)19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Who is the child of Wisdom mentioned in this verse that Jesus states Wisdom is justified of?
These things are not hard to understand.
The Spirit is the Son of God because it does as Jehovah does just as Jesus does as Wisdom does. Jesus is the Son because the Spirit of the Son dwells fully within him and does what it sees Jehovah doing.
KQuote Matthew 11:19
King James Version (KJV)19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Who is the child of Wisdom mentioned in this verse that Jesus states Wisdom is justified of?
These things are not hard to understand.
The Spirit is the Son of God because it does as Jehovah does just as Jesus does as Wisdom does. Jesus is the Son because the Spirit of the Son dwells fully within him and does what it sees Jehovah doing.
Pr 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel:
Pr 1:2 for attaining wisdom and discipline;
for understanding words of insight;
Pr 1:3 for acquiring a disciplined and prudent life,
doing what is right and just and fair;
Pr 1:4 for giving prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the young—
Pr 1:5 let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance—
Pr 1:6 for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.Quote Who is the child of Wisdom mentioned in this verse that Jesus states Wisdom is justified of? These things are not hard to understand.
IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT SHALLOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT CHRIST IS SAYING THAT HE IS A CHILD OF WISDOM
YOU REALLY LACK WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2012,22:25) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 17 2012,10:06) Terricca………Hardening my heart against what? , there is nothing in the scripture or what I Posted that has anything to do with me hardening my heart, you call me hardening my heart when it is your false assumptions that i reject. Is this all you have to offer is just words of accusations, condemnation, and ignorance of what I quoted and posted? You seem typical of Most all Preexistences and Trinitarians so quick to falsely “accuse” and condemn others when you should be looking at you own selves. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
gIT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING WITH THE HEART THAT IS CRIPLED ,BECAUSE OF YOUR REFUSAL TO ACCEPT THE SCRIPTURES,
Terricca……….What you really mean is your rendition of what scriptures said Now that is the Truth And when we disagree with you you start your ACCUSATION of Us. Kinda reminds us of someone else mentioned in scriptures , I think you know who i mean>peace and love to you and yours ……………………….gene
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Pr 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel:
Pr 1:2 for attaining wisdom and discipline;
for understanding words of insight;
Pr 1:3 for acquiring a disciplined and prudent life,
doing what is right and just and fair;
Pr 1:4 for giving prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the young—
Pr 1:5 let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance—
Pr 1:6 for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.These verses speak of what is useful to grow more mature as a child of Wisdom and Discipline. You are not understanding what it means to be a child of Wisdom or you would believe Jesus' claim that he is the Son of Wisdom and see no contradictions that he is also the Son of David; and of God.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2012,17:08) T, Pr 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel:
Pr 1:2 for attaining wisdom and discipline;
for understanding words of insight;
Pr 1:3 for acquiring a disciplined and prudent life,
doing what is right and just and fair;
Pr 1:4 for giving prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the young—
Pr 1:5 let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance—
Pr 1:6 for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.These verses speak of what is useful to grow more mature as a child of Wisdom and Discipline. You are not understanding what it means to be a child of Wisdom or you would believe Jesus' claim that he is the Son of Wisdom and see no contradictions that he is also the Son of David; and of God.
kyour interpretation is not an innovation it is false ,
wisdom is knowledge that allow us to understand deeper thoughts ,no one is a child of knowledge ,but more a student to increase our knowledge,
T,
I find it strange that you can use personifications and yet not understand them when they are used in Scripture.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 20 2012,18:21) T, I find it strange that you can use personifications and yet not understand them when they are used in Scripture.
KIS YOUR SENTENCE SUPOSE TO MEAN SOMETHING
BECAUSE TO ME IT DOES NOT ,AND YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS ,
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 20 2012,08:08) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 20 2012,18:21) T, I find it strange that you can use personifications and yet not understand them when they are used in Scripture.
KIS YOUR SENTENCE SUPOSE TO MEAN SOMETHING
BECAUSE TO ME IT DOES NOT ,AND YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS ,
T,You should understand my words as they are not complicated. Here are another's words about the use of personifications in Scripture.
Quote The figure of speech we are going to cover in this article is Personification, which occurs when a thing is spoken of as if it were a person, or takes on the attributes of a person. The Greek word for Personification is prosopopoeia, which, interestingly, has come into English in its own right, and appears in English dictionaries with a meaning that is slightly different from the meaning it had in Greek as “personification.” Today, as well as meaning “personification,” prosopopoeia is when an imaginary person is represented as speaking or acting. The figure of speech Personification creates more intimacy, identity, or intensity than does a literal expression of fact. For example, if your car will not start, you can dispassionately and accurately say, “Something is wrong with my car,” or you can express more intimacy and intensity by saying, “She’s dead!” The car is not a woman, and cannot “die.” I was on an archaeological excavation in Israel when our team uncovered a large basalt boulder below ground level. It was too heavy to lift out, so an Israeli graduate student tried to break it with a sledgehammer. Worn out and pouring sweat after ten minutes of pounding with no results, he announced, “The stone is laughing at me,” a beautiful Personification.
Here is more on personifications. Read and perhaps you will learn something about a method of speech that I am confident you already use.
It is easier to answer your questions if you understand this and other uses of the language.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 20 2012,23:09) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 20 2012,08:08) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 20 2012,18:21) T, I find it strange that you can use personifications and yet not understand them when they are used in Scripture.
KIS YOUR SENTENCE SUPOSE TO MEAN SOMETHING
BECAUSE TO ME IT DOES NOT ,AND YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS ,
T,You should understand my words as they are not complicated. Here are another's words about the use of personifications in Scripture.
Quote The figure of speech we are going to cover in this article is Personification, which occurs when a thing is spoken of as if it were a person, or takes on the attributes of a person. The Greek word for Personification is prosopopoeia, which, interestingly, has come into English in its own right, and appears in English dictionaries with a meaning that is slightly different from the meaning it had in Greek as “personification.” Today, as well as meaning “personification,” prosopopoeia is when an imaginary person is represented as speaking or acting. The figure of speech Personification creates more intimacy, identity, or intensity than does a literal expression of fact. For example, if your car will not start, you can dispassionately and accurately say, “Something is wrong with my car,” or you can express more intimacy and intensity by saying, “She’s dead!” The car is not a woman, and cannot “die.” I was on an archaeological excavation in Israel when our team uncovered a large basalt boulder below ground level. It was too heavy to lift out, so an Israeli graduate student tried to break it with a sledgehammer. Worn out and pouring sweat after ten minutes of pounding with no results, he announced, “The stone is laughing at me,” a beautiful Personification.
Here is more on personifications. Read and perhaps you will learn something about a method of speech that I am confident you already use.
It is easier to answer your questions if you understand this and other uses of the language.
Kit is strange the way you avoid to answer others question, but I do understand personification ,this is a french origin word ,
but this is the end of this one way conversation
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* We are rescued by Faith in the Word and once she matures the Works of God are revealed in those that believe just as they were in Christ Jesus.
* We desert God by either chasing the prostitutes Faithless or Unfaithful.
* In the Gospel is the knowledge and understanding of the Wisdom of God.
* Paul originally interpreted Scripture according to the nature of Folly but repented and was conceived and born of Wisdom in order to interpret it according to the Law of Love.
* Paul preached the Word; and the Wisdom it revealed to both Jews and Gentiles. That Wisdom is news of a new contract between Jehovah and humanity; for those that believe and are faithful.
You claim you understand personification but you not seem to understand that when Jesus declared that he was the Son of Wisdom he was personalizing Wisdom as a mother figure to him. A mother who he exists in the shape of.
In Galatians 1:16 Paul personalizes the Spirit as the Son of God; and so links it to Jesus as well as revealing the Spirit exists in the form of God.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 23 2012,17:09) T, * We are rescued by Faith in the Word and once she matures the Works of God are revealed in those that believe just as they were in Christ Jesus.
* We desert God by either chasing the prostitutes Faithless or Unfaithful.
* In the Gospel is the knowledge and understanding of the Wisdom of God.
* Paul originally interpreted Scripture according to the nature of Folly but repented and was conceived and born of Wisdom in order to interpret it according to the Law of Love.
* Paul preached the Word; and the Wisdom it revealed to both Jews and Gentiles. That Wisdom is news of a new contract between Jehovah and humanity; for those that believe and are faithful.
You claim you understand personification but you not seem to understand that when Jesus declared that he was the Son of Wisdom he was personalizing Wisdom as a mother figure to him. A mother who he exists in the shape of.
In Galatians 1:16 Paul personalizes the Spirit as the Son of God; and so links it to Jesus as well as revealing the Spirit exists in the form of God.
KQuote but you not seem to understand that when Jesus declared that he was the Son of Wisdom he was personalizing Wisdom as a mother figure to him. A mother who he exists in the shape of. NO ONE HIS THE SON OF WISDOM ,THIS IS YOUR INTERPRETATION OF A DREAM YOU HAVE ,
CHRIST NEVER MEANS TO SAY THAT WISDOM HAS CHILDREN ,BUT HE WHO PRACTICE WISDOM EITHER OF MEN OR GOD AT THE END THEY BOTH WILL BE HAVING OFFSPRING ,RIGHT (BECAUSE WISDOM HIS KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING )BUT THE END OF THOSE WHO DID NOT FOLLOW THE WISDOM OF GOD WILL NOT SEE THE KINGDOM ,AND THOSE WHO DID FOLLOW GODS WISDOM WILL SEE THE KINGDOM ,AND IT IS IN THIS SENSE THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CHRIST SAYS . LK 7:35 “Yet wisdom is vindicated by all her children
so it is the ones that apply the knowledge receive from God who are the wise children ,
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 24 2012,23:00) T; Who is “her” in “wisdom is vindicated by all her children”?
kthat answer as been given to you ;BUT HE WHO PRACTICE WISDOM EITHER OF MEN OR GOD AT THE END THEY BOTH WILL BE HAVING OFFSPRING ,RIGHT (BECAUSE WISDOM HIS KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING )BUT THE END OF THOSE WHO DID NOT FOLLOW THE WISDOM OF GOD WILL NOT SEE THE KINGDOM ,AND THOSE WHO DID FOLLOW GODS WISDOM WILL SEE THE KINGDOM ,AND IT IS IN THIS SENSE THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CHRIST SAYS
so your answer to your question would be anyone that FEARS GOD ,HAS STARTED TO BE WISE AND SO BE PART OF THE “HER” CHILDREN AND BY BEING A FULL PART AS A SERVANT OF GOD WE BECOME A CHILD OF GOD NOT OF WISDOM ,IT IS GOD THAT HIS OUR FATHER NOT WISDOM (WISELY APPLIED KNOWLEDGE)THE TRUTH OF GOD HAS NOT ONLY TO BE KNOWN BUT APPLIED .so that the man who as Gods knowledge but does not apply it is a fool.
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