Beelzebub and demons

[mikeboll64]

I have heard of the sirens from Homer, in his epic poem The Odyssey.  But what evidence do we have that such a creature is real?  Are they mentioned in scripture or Enoch, etc?

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 22 2012,06:55)

I have heard of the sirens from Homer, in his epic poem The Odyssey.  But what evidence do we have that such a creature is real?  Are they mentioned in scripture or Enoch, etc?

Mike,

I am told by Wikipedia that they are mentioned in the Book of Watchers 19:2-3.  They are claimed to be a mixture of bird and women by certain older Greek sources; similar to the stork-winked women mentioned in Scripture.  

I would say a weak circumstantial case can be made for there existence. I see no benefit for bothering to do so.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,03:40)

Hi Gene, Are you suggesting that Job asked YHVH to create problems for himself? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Gene?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ July 21 2012,19:51)

I would say a weak circumstantial case can be made for there existence. I see no benefit for bothering to do so.

Nor do I, Kerwin.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 22 2012,04:13)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 21 2012,08:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2012,10:32) Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ Mike………..Here is your answer. “the son of Man can do “nothing” of “himself” the Father who is 'in” Me “HE” does the works. And what did Paul say, Gene?  Did he say “we eagerly await a Savior – the Father in Christ”?  Or did he say the Lord Jesus Christ IS the Savior we await? Which one? Nehemiah 9:27 So you handed them over to their enemies, who oppressed them. But when they were oppressed they cried out to you. From heaven you heard them, and in your great compassion you gave them saviors, who rescued them from the hand of their enemies. Did Jehovah send Himself?  Or did He send OTHER saviors?

Mike………Yes Yahweh did Send Saviors he was himself in, He was the Anointing Spirit that followed them in the wilderness. GOD is SPIRIT and can and does (INDWELL) His Chosen ones. I have Quoted you where Jesus said He could do Nothing of HIMSELF but you do not believe Him , but maintain he was a “SEPARATE” savior apart from God , You simply do not believe What Jesus said over and over that GOD the FATHER was in him . Why do you think Jesus said Me and the Father are ONE?

Do you think Samson could have Killed 1000 men with a Jaw bone of an ass, as an Ordinary Man, a savior separate from GOD? Do you think Moses could have made all the Pleagues in Egypt or Parted the Sea?  There is nor was no savior that God has sent that he was not with giving them their incite and strength to perform HIS (GODS) WORK of Salvation or Destruction.

Your doctrine of Separation causes you to come up with these wrong  Ideas perhaps? God “ALONE” is the only true SAVIOR of us ALL, it make no difference who he uses to do it through He gets “ALL” the CREDIT not part of it. IMO

peace and love to you and yours Mike………………………………..gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Ed J @ July 22 2012,12:53)

Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,03:40) Hi Gene, Are you suggesting that Job asked YHVH to create problems for himself? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Gene?

EdJ………..Job Himself had the Problem a problem of “SELF” Righteousness, that could have easily cost his His eternal life in the Future. God was quite aware of that POTENTIAL . He had shielded Job form all evil influence like a Hedge around Him  as it were. He was not effected by evil in any way, So he lived as a “PERFECT” Man in an Evil World, that is well and good , but it can produce (IN) a Person a very big Potential Problem of “SELF” Righteousness.  Job must have been exhibiting this for God to Act the way he did to him or should i say “FOR” Him.

If you notice the story flow it was Not Satan or the Adversarial Spirit that brought the subject of JOB , it was GOD HIMSELF who started the whole conversation about Job and the Adversarial Spiirt one of God created Seven Spirits replied to God that he had built a Hedge around Him but if he would remove it and allow (IT) Evil to directly come on Job He would curse GOD. So God allowed it to happen , but this was all done for Jobs Sake not as a Bet or wager between God and a Satan . God need to get rid of Jobs “SELF” Righteousness by allowing EVIL to effect his life.

What does it say in the end of the book ? His friends comforted Job over “ALL THE EVIL THAT “GOD” BROUGHT UPON JOB”. God can and does use Evil for a Good Purpose. Remember what Job said ” I have heard about you by the hearing of the ear , but “now” my eyes have seen you (spiritually speaking) wherefore I repent in dust and ashes. Cant you see it was all done for the Deliverance of Job form a Potential very big Problem.  The Story of Job is a great story of how God works to save us all.

God allows evil to effect us all,  but the end is to His glory and our salvation and deliverance. Evil can have in the end a humbling effect on us. We are lucky in a way because we “being Evil”,as Jesus said or existing in an evil state have, evil effecting us all the time becasue we ourselves have commit evil at times in our lives and have sinned so we all know we are sinners and that reality alone does humble us right? IMO

peace and Love to you and yours EDJ………………………………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 23 2012,08:29)

Quote (Ed J @ July 22 2012,12:53) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,03:40) Hi Gene, Are you suggesting that Job asked YHVH to create problems for himself? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Gene? EdJ………..Job Himself had the Problem a problem of “SELF” Righteousness, that could have easily cost his His eternal life in the Future. God was quite aware of that POTENTIAL . He had shielded Job form all evil influence like a Hedge around Him  as it were. He was not effected by evil in any way, So he lived as a “PERFECT” Man in an Evil World, that is well and good , but it can produce (IN) a Person a very big Potential Problem of “SELF” Righteousness.  Job must have been exhibiting this for God to Act the way he did to him or should i say “FOR” Him. If you notice the story flow it was Not Satan or the Adversarial Spirit that brought the subject of JOB , it was GOD HIMSELF who started the whole conversation about Job and the Adversarial Spiirt one of God created Seven Spirits replied to God that he had built a Hedge around Him but if he would remove it and allow (IT) Evil to directly come on Job He would curse GOD. So God allowed it to happen , but this was all done for Jobs Sake not as a Bet or wager between God and a Satan . God need to get rid of Jobs “SELF” Righteousness by allowing EVIL to effect his life. What does it say in the end of the book ? His friends comforted Job over “ALL THE EVIL THAT “GOD” BROUGHT UPON JOB”. God can and does use Evil for a Good Purpose. Remember what Job said ” I have heard about you by the hearing of the ear , but “now” my eyes have seen you (spiritually speaking) wherefore I repent in dust and ashes. Cant you see it was all done for the Deliverance of Job form a Potential very big Problem.  The Story of Job is a great story of how God works to save us all. God allows evil to effect us all,  but the end is to His glory and our salvation and deliverance. Evil can have in the end a humbling effect on us. We are lucky in a way because we “being Evil”,as Jesus said or existing in an evil state have,  evil effecting us all the time becasue we ourselves have commit evil at times in our lives and have sinned so we all know we are sinners and that reality alone does humble us right? IMO peace and Love to you and yours EDJ………………………………………..gene

gene

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God allows evil to effect us all, but the end is to His glory and our salvation and deliverance. Evil can have in the end a humbling effect on us. We are lucky in a way because we “being Evil”,as Jesus said or existing in an evil state have, evil effecting us all the time becasue we ourselves have commit evil at times in our lives and have sinned so we all know we are sinners and that reality alone does humble us right? IMO

why are the apostles called SAINTS

do you think that JUDAS ISCARIOT ,is saved

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 23 2012,01:29)

Quote (Ed J @ July 22 2012,12:53) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,03:40) Hi Gene, Are you suggesting that Job asked YHVH to create problems for himself? God bless Ed J Gene? EdJ………..Job Himself had the Problem a problem of “SELF” Righteousness, that could have easily cost his His eternal life in the Future. God was quite aware of that POTENTIAL . He had shielded Job form all evil influence like a Hedge around Him  as it were. He was not effected by evil in any way, So he lived as a “PERFECT” Man in an Evil World, that is well and good , but it can produce (IN) a Person a very big Potential Problem of “SELF” Righteousness.  Job must have been exhibiting this for God to Act the way he did to him or should i say “FOR” Him. If you notice the story flow it was Not Satan or the Adversarial Spirit that brought the subject of JOB , it was GOD HIMSELF who started the whole conversation about Job and the Adversarial Spiirt one of God created Seven Spirits replied to God that he had built a Hedge around Him but if he would remove it and allow (IT) Evil to directly come on Job He would curse GOD. So God allowed it to happen , but this was all done for Jobs Sake not as a Bet or wager between God and a Satan . God need to get rid of Jobs “SELF” Righteousness by allowing EVIL to effect his life. What does it say in the end of the book ? His friends comforted Job over “ALL THE EVIL THAT “GOD” BROUGHT UPON JOB”. God can and does use Evil for a Good Purpose. Remember what Job said ” I have heard about you by the hearing of the ear , but “now” my eyes have seen you (spiritually speaking) wherefore I repent in dust and ashes. Cant you see it was all done for the Deliverance of Job form a Potential very big Problem.  The Story of Job is a great story of how God works to save us all. God allows evil to effect us all,  but the end is to His glory and our salvation and deliverance. Evil can have in the end a humbling effect on us. We are lucky in a way because we “being Evil”,as Jesus said or existing in an evil state have,  evil effecting us all the time becasue we ourselves have commit evil at times in our lives and have sinned so we all know we are sinners and that reality alone does humble us right? IMO peace and Love to you and yours EDJ………………………………………..gene

Hi Gene,

Referencing God: Are you suggesting he decided to shake
rattle and roll Job because he wasn't sure of Job's loyalty to him?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 23 2012,00:57)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 22 2012,04:13) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 21 2012,08:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2012,10:32) Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ Mike………..Here is your answer. “the son of Man can do “nothing” of “himself” the Father who is 'in” Me “HE” does the works. And what did Paul say, Gene?  Did he say “we eagerly await a Savior – the Father in Christ”?  Or did he say the Lord Jesus Christ IS the Savior we await? Which one? Nehemiah 9:27 So you handed them over to their enemies, who oppressed them. But when they were oppressed they cried out to you. From heaven you heard them, and in your great compassion you gave them saviors, who rescued them from the hand of their enemies. Did Jehovah send Himself?  Or did He send OTHER saviors? Mike………Yes Yahweh did Send Saviors he was himself in, He was the Anointing Spirit that followed them in the wilderness. GOD is SPIRIT and can and does (INDWELL) His Chosen ones. I have Quoted you where Jesus said He could do Nothing of HIMSELF but you do not believe Him , but maintain he was a “SEPARATE” savior apart from God , You simply do not believe What Jesus said over and over that GOD the FATHER was in him . Why do you think Jesus said Me and the Father are ONE? Do you think Samson could have Killed 1000 men with a Jaw bone of an ass, as an Ordinary Man, a savior separate from GOD? Do you think Moses could have made all the Pleagues in Egypt or Parted the Sea?  There is nor was no savior that God has sent that he was not with giving them their incite and strength to perform HIS (GODS) WORK of Salvation or Destruction. Your doctrine of Separation causes you to come up with these wrong  Ideas perhaps? God “ALONE” is the only true SAVIOR of us ALL, it make no difference who he uses to do it through He gets “ALL” the CREDIT not part of it. IMO peace and love to you and yours Mike………………………………..gene

Gene B.

God is a spirit,but it does not mean that he has no body.
For we are created in his image,and we have a body.

Rev.5:1.And I saw IN THE RIGHT HAND OF HIM THAT SAT ON THE THRONE A BOOK WRITTEN—–
(he has a throne,and he has got hands also)?please explain.

Rev.22:4. And they shall see HIS FACE; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
(Look he has a face also)? please explain.

I believe jesus his son has a face and a body also?

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 22 2012,11:55)

I have heard of the sirens from Homer, in his epic poem The Odyssey.  But what evidence do we have that such a creature is real?  Are they mentioned in scripture or Enoch, etc?

Mike b.
have you read the book of enoch? for he is the 7th from Adam and he was taken up in the flesh for one purpose:
And that is to witness the destruction of the old world,by the flood.

Sirens are the spirits of the female dead. They are not accepted back in heaven,so they are roaming around in the earth. God calls these creatures male and female; the bastards in the book.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Hi Wakeup,

So the name “sirens” is not actually in the book of Enoch?  

And what do you mean by “female dead”?  Are you referring to dead female human beings?  Or females sired by the union of angels and human woman – ie:  female Nephilim?

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2012,06:42)

Hi Wakeup, So the name “sirens” is not actually in the book of Enoch?   And what do you mean by “female dead”?  Are you referring to dead female human beings?  Or females sired by the union of angels and human woman – ie:  female Nephilim?

Mike b.

All the male nephilims that died in the flood are called evil spirits;and all the female nephilims that died in the flood are called sirens.They are also evil.

God calls all of them ''the bastards''.Because they are not his creatures,but children of the fallen angels that have left their estate,and went down and mingle with flesh.

These angels are, as of today still in prison,waiting the judgement. These are they jesus visited after the resurrection.(1Pet.3:19.20. 4:6) (2pet. 2:4.5.6.).
Jesus went down to preach to them,for a witness to them that he was resurrected.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

wakeup

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All the male nephilims that died in the flood are called evil spirits;and all the female nephilims that died in the flood are called sirens.They are also evil.

were do you get this from

I always was in the impression that mixed breed always end up in males never in female and so can never reproduce ,just as a horse and an donkey gives the mule but their is not breeding possible between mules is their

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,03:12)

wakeup Quote All the male nephilims that died in the flood are called evil spirits;and all the female nephilims that died in the flood are called sirens.They are also evil. were do you get this from I always was in the impression that mixed breed always end up in males never in female and so can never reproduce ,just as a horse and an donkey gives the mule but their is not breeding possible between mules is their

Terra.

if you can get hold of the book of enoch,you should read it; it is witnessing about the old world.
maybe hard to understand,but it hamonises with the bible.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,16:34)

Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,03:12) wakeup Quote All the male nephilims that died in the flood are called evil spirits;and all the female nephilims that died in the flood are called sirens.They are also evil. were do you get this from I always was in the impression that mixed breed always end up in males never in female and so can never reproduce ,just as a horse and an donkey gives the mule but their is not breeding possible between mules is their Terra. if you can get hold of the book of enoch,you should read it;  it is witnessing about the old world. maybe hard to understand,but it hamonises with the bible. wakeup.

wakeup

I read the book a few times

[journey42]

Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,09:49)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,16:34) Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,03:12) wakeup Quote All the male nephilims that died in the flood are called evil spirits;and all the female nephilims that died in the flood are called sirens.They are also evil. were do you get this from I always was in the impression that mixed breed always end up in males never in female and so can never reproduce ,just as a horse and an donkey gives the mule but their is not breeding possible between mules is their Terra. if you can get hold of the book of enoch,you should read it;  it is witnessing about the old world. maybe hard to understand,but it hamonises with the bible. wakeup. wakeup I read the book a few times

and what did you think of it?

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,09:49)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,16:34) Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,03:12) wakeup Quote All the male nephilims that died in the flood are called evil spirits;and all the female nephilims that died in the flood are called sirens.They are also evil. were do you get this from I always was in the impression that mixed breed always end up in males never in female and so can never reproduce ,just as a horse and an donkey gives the mule but their is not breeding possible between mules is their Terra. if you can get hold of the book of enoch,you should read it;  it is witnessing about the old world. maybe hard to understand,but it hamonises with the bible. wakeup. wakeup I read the book a few times

Terra.

Yes I think You have those small booklets of the book of enock;that is only a small part of the whole book.

wakeup.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Ed J @ July 23 2012,02:01)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 23 2012,01:29) Quote (Ed J @ July 22 2012,12:53) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,03:40) Hi Gene, Are you suggesting that Job asked YHVH to create problems for himself? God bless Ed J Gene? EdJ………..Job Himself had the Problem a problem of “SELF” Righteousness, that could have easily cost his His eternal life in the Future. God was quite aware of that POTENTIAL . He had shielded Job form all evil influence like a Hedge around Him  as it were. He was not effected by evil in any way, So he lived as a “PERFECT” Man in an Evil World, that is well and good , but it can produce (IN) a Person a very big Potential Problem of “SELF” Righteousness.  Job must have been exhibiting this for God to Act the way he did to him or should i say “FOR” Him. If you notice the story flow it was Not Satan or the Adversarial Spirit that brought the subject of JOB , it was GOD HIMSELF who started the whole conversation about Job and the Adversarial Spiirt one of God created Seven Spirits replied to God that he had built a Hedge around Him but if he would remove it and allow (IT) Evil to directly come on Job He would curse GOD. So God allowed it to happen , but this was all done for Jobs Sake not as a Bet or wager between God and a Satan . God need to get rid of Jobs “SELF” Righteousness by allowing EVIL to effect his life. What does it say in the end of the book ? His friends comforted Job over “ALL THE EVIL THAT “GOD” BROUGHT UPON JOB”. God can and does use Evil for a Good Purpose. Remember what Job said ” I have heard about you by the hearing of the ear , but “now” my eyes have seen you (spiritually speaking) wherefore I repent in dust and ashes. Cant you see it was all done for the Deliverance of Job form a Potential very big Problem.  The Story of Job is a great story of how God works to save us all. God allows evil to effect us all,  but the end is to His glory and our salvation and deliverance. Evil can have in the end a humbling effect on us. We are lucky in a way because we “being Evil”,as Jesus said or existing in an evil state have,  evil effecting us all the time becasue we ourselves have commit evil at times in our lives and have sinned so we all know we are sinners and that reality alone does humble us right? IMO peace and Love to you and yours EDJ………………………………………..gene Hi Gene, Referencing God: Are you suggesting he decided to shake rattle and roll Job because he wasn't sure of Job's loyalty to him? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj……….Where in what i wrote did you see or  read that i said God was Shake Rattle and Rolling Job.
this is what i mean here about taking thing completely out of context of what is being said EDJ.

No, what i said was Job had a “POTENTIAL”  of a HUGH PROBLEM and that Problem was “SELF” RIGHTEOUSNESS. God was dealing with Job to Save him from it.  Do you think God could be tempted into a BET by any kind of SATAN?

If you will do as i said and Notice who Brought up the Subject of Job  First , then you can (if you have eyes to see) Understand what GOD was Doing all along. If was God who Purposely brought all that evil on Job for his own ultimate Good. He used an Evil Spirit to bring it about. If you disagree then show one “exact” part you disagree with and we can discus it.

peace and love to you and yours Edj…………………………………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 25 2012,04:28)

Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,09:49) Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,16:34) Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,03:12) wakeup Quote All the male nephilims that died in the flood are called evil spirits;and all the female nephilims that died in the flood are called sirens.They are also evil. were do you get this from I always was in the impression that mixed breed always end up in males never in female and so can never reproduce ,just as a horse and an donkey gives the mule but their is not breeding possible between mules is their Terra. if you can get hold of the book of enoch,you should read it;  it is witnessing about the old world. maybe hard to understand,but it hamonises with the bible. wakeup. wakeup I read the book a few times Terra. Yes I think You have those small booklets of the book of enock;that is only a small part of the whole book. wakeup.

wakeup

the book of Enoch is placed on this site ,go have a look

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,01:50)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 23 2012,08:29) Quote (Ed J @ July 22 2012,12:53) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,03:40) Hi Gene, Are you suggesting that Job asked YHVH to create problems for himself? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Gene? EdJ………..Job Himself had the Problem a problem of “SELF” Righteousness, that could have easily cost his His eternal life in the Future. God was quite aware of that POTENTIAL . He had shielded Job form all evil influence like a Hedge around Him  as it were. He was not effected by evil in any way, So he lived as a “PERFECT” Man in an Evil World, that is well and good , but it can produce (IN) a Person a very big Potential Problem of “SELF” Righteousness.  Job must have been exhibiting this for God to Act the way he did to him or should i say “FOR” Him. If you notice the story flow it was Not Satan or the Adversarial Spirit that brought the subject of JOB , it was GOD HIMSELF who started the whole conversation about Job and the Adversarial Spiirt one of God created Seven Spirits replied to God that he had built a Hedge around Him but if he would remove it and allow (IT) Evil to directly come on Job He would curse GOD. So God allowed it to happen , but this was all done for Jobs Sake not as a Bet or wager between God and a Satan . God need to get rid of Jobs “SELF” Righteousness by allowing EVIL to effect his life. What does it say in the end of the book ? His friends comforted Job over “ALL THE EVIL THAT “GOD” BROUGHT UPON JOB”. God can and does use Evil for a Good Purpose. Remember what Job said ” I have heard about you by the hearing of the ear , but “now” my eyes have seen you (spiritually speaking) wherefore I repent in dust and ashes. Cant you see it was all done for the Deliverance of Job form a Potential very big Problem.  The Story of Job is a great story of how God works to save us all. God allows evil to effect us all,  but the end is to His glory and our salvation and deliverance. Evil can have in the end a humbling effect on us. We are lucky in a way because we “being Evil”,as Jesus said or existing in an evil state have,  evil effecting us all the time becasue we ourselves have commit evil at times in our lives and have sinned so we all know we are sinners and that reality alone does humble us right? IMO peace and Love to you and yours EDJ………………………………………..gene gene Quote God allows evil to effect us all,  but the end is to His glory and our salvation and deliverance. Evil can have in the end a humbling effect on us. We are lucky in a way because we “being Evil”,as Jesus said or existing in an evil state have,  evil effecting us all the time becasue we ourselves have commit evil at times in our lives and have sinned so we all know we are sinners and that reality alone does humble us right? IMO why are the apostles called SAINTS do you think that JUDAS ISCARIOT ,is saved

Terricca……………….Being a Saint does not mean you have no Sin and are Perfected yet. At least according to what Paul said anyway. “If we say we have no Sin we deceive ourselves” says John.

As far as Judas is concerned He very well could be saved in the future, was not His destiny of betraying Jesus long before his berth determined and spoken of in scriptures. Need proof? i can get the scriptures for you if you can't remember them Brother.

peace and love to you and yours Pierre………………………………….gene

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