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So God was asking one of the spirits His mind is composed of where it had been?
Also, you didn't address the first part. Do you believe the angels in Job 1:6 are real BEINGS, but just not Satan who came along with them?
MIke………..God can Pour Spirit (intellect) on anything that exists with a Body, GOD is SPIRIT according to Jesus, Therefore it say He shall pour forth my (HIS) Spiirt upon all Flesh. Jesus Has on him all SEVEN “SPIRITS of GOD” those SEVEN Spirit are SEVEN “Distinct” (INTELLECTS) of GOD . The spirit of an ADVERSARY is and (intellect) of an OPPOSITE VIEW> If (IT) is against GOD'S WILL it produces sin in our lives. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Mike……………………………….gene
Gene;
Satan is an Adversary who is a fallen angel. A satan stood in the way of Balaam ready to take his life but for the actions of a loyal donkey. The book of Job speaks of some of Satan's powers.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 05 2012,04:40) Wakeup……….So did ADAM and EVE. According to Genesis. That is what the fall of man is all about, it is about Man trying to be a GOD. The adversarial Spirit (intellect) working in EVE caused her to reason, “For God Knows that your eves shall be opened and you shall be as GODS KNOWING Good and EVIL”. and again, God said, “Look the Man has become as we are to Know good and evil”. Man trying to be a GOD is no different then your so-called SATAN “BEING” trying to BE a GOD that was working in the KING of TYRUS. Man himself is the SATANS and DEVILS on the earth and do the works of Devils becasue they are the Devils and Satans of this earth. IMO Wakeup go and read what Jodi has posted on this subject and maybe it will enlighten you.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………………….gene
Gene B.Who is lucifer?
Who is Gadre'el that tempted eve in the garden?
Was jesus tempted by the satan in him?Answer these 3 questions please.
wakeup.
Wakeup……..The word Lucifer means “RISING STAR” and that was exactly what the King of Tyer was a “rising star” in the world, we still use that term today regarding a person who is become great in some way. The King of TYER was taking control of the complete earth. The word Lucifer is a description of what the King of Tyer was. Tell where you see that Isiah was sent to talk to a “SATAN” “BEING” I have never see that mentioned there have you. So again ASSUMPTIONS and Forcing the text to say what in fact it does not say is what causes many false teachings here and in religions, that is why we have thousand of different dominations in Christianity .
Who is Gadr'el? (IT) is a Spirit which causes us to evaluate our conditions in life. It is in all humans and was in Jesus also and when this spirit (intellect) causes us to oppose the (WILL) of GOD and we follow (IT) we will sin (miss the Mark) We all must master (IT ) by controlling it, if it is going against the WILL of GOD. ALL Men have the “PROPENSITY” to Sin. However no scripture say Adam or EVE SINNED, that I know of, It simply say Sin entered in through them, I believe the first true sinner was the first (BORN) human being, “CAIN”, he was a lier and a murder , not ADAM or EVE no scripture says they sinned. I believe Cain is who Jesus was referencing when he said to the Pharisees they did the deed of there Father the DEVIL , He was a Lier and Murder from the Beginning” (of man) because He was the first (BORN) HUMAN “BEING” of all humanity.
If you are going to peach a DEVIL “Being” or “Person” please describe what he or she looks like, have you or anyone here ever seen him or her? or if He is angel Please show scriptures that say the devil is an Angel of any kind. Speculation hardly qualifies as a true teaching.
As far as Jesus is concerned he was tempted of His own Human Nature and reason , He Master ed HIMSELF the sin that was trying to control his LIFE, but with the Word of GOD He Mastered (IT)> and Put Himself to death and Brought His own WILL under the WILL of GOD> There was no actual SATAN ANGEL or Beast or Serpent, of some KIND talking to HIM (IT) was the Human condition working (IN) Him He mastered it by the word of GOD> God is more concerned on what is going on (INSIDE) of us not as much on the outside of us. “Make the “INSIDE” of the CUP Clean that the out side may be CLEAN Also”. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2012,08:38) That didn't answer my questions either, Gene. But I give up. peace,
mike
MIke……..THERE ARE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD. Problem is you still do not understand what a Spirit (IS) Brother . Spirits are not “BEINGS Mike they are what is (IN) Beings, and They are what produce the LIFE of the “BEINGS” they are (IN)> God very God was “TRULY” (IN) Jesus HOW? Because GOD is a SPIRIT and therefore can (INDWELL) a PERSON> Think about it Mike . It was not Jesus who said destroy this Temple and in three days I (GOD) shall raise it up and again, O Jerusalem, Jerusalem you who stoned and Killed those sent unto you, how often would i have gathered you as a hen gathers here chicks under here wing , but you would not, therefore you house is left to you desolate and you shall no more see me until you say blissed is he who come in the name of the lore”> That was God the Father speaking “THROUGH” Jesus First Person> When are you going to believe God was TRULY “IN” Jesus Mike?.peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
Quote (kerwin @ July 06 2012,17:29) Gene; Satan is an Adversary who is a fallen angel. A satan stood in the way of Balaam ready to take his life but for the actions of a loyal donkey. The book of Job speaks of some of Satan's powers.
Kerwin……..Produce one scripture that say There is an ANGEL NAMED SATAN, please do not use the “Lucifer” (rising Star) thing.peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 06 2012,21:12) Quote (kerwin @ July 06 2012,17:29) Gene; Satan is an Adversary who is a fallen angel. A satan stood in the way of Balaam ready to take his life but for the actions of a loyal donkey. The book of Job speaks of some of Satan's powers.
Kerwin……..Produce one scripture that say There is an ANGEL NAMED SATAN, please do not use the “Lucifer” (rising Star) thing.peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
Gene;We are speaking of fallen angels that are adversaries of humanity. The chief of these angels is called Satan; or Adversary in the English language.
Matthew 12:26
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
26 and if the Adversary doth cast out the Adversary, against himself he was divided, how then doth his kingdom stand?Do you believe that the fallen angels are adversaries?
Revelation 12:9
The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.Does the “adversarial intellect inside each one of us” have his own angels that were thrown out of heaven with “it”?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 07 2012,01:56) Wakeup……..The word Lucifer means “RISING STAR” and that was exactly what the King of Tyer was a “rising star” in the world, we still use that term today regarding a person who is become great in some way. The King of TYER was taking control of the complete earth. The word Lucifer is a description of what the King of Tyer was. Tell where you see that Isiah was sent to talk to a “SATAN” “BEING” I have never see that mentioned there have you. So again ASSUMPTIONS and Forcing the text to say what in fact it does not say is what causes many false teachings here and in religions, that is why we have thousand of different dominations in Christianity . Who is Gadr'el? (IT) is a Spirit which causes us to evaluate our conditions in life. It is in all humans and was in Jesus also and when this spirit (intellect) causes us to oppose the (WILL) of GOD and we follow (IT) we will sin (miss the Mark) We all must master (IT ) by controlling it, if it is going against the WILL of GOD. ALL Men have the “PROPENSITY” to Sin. However no scripture say Adam or EVE SINNED, that I know of, It simply say Sin entered in through them, I believe the first true sinner was the first (BORN) human being, “CAIN”, he was a lier and a murder , not ADAM or EVE no scripture says they sinned. I believe Cain is who Jesus was referencing when he said to the Pharisees they did the deed of there Father the DEVIL , He was a Lier and Murder from the Beginning” (of man) because He was the first (BORN) HUMAN “BEING” of all humanity.
If you are going to peach a DEVIL “Being” or “Person” please describe what he or she looks like, have you or anyone here ever seen him or her? or if He is angel Please show scriptures that say the devil is an Angel of any kind. Speculation hardly qualifies as a true teaching.
As far as Jesus is concerned he was tempted of His own Human Nature and reason , He Master ed HIMSELF the sin that was trying to control his LIFE, but with the Word of GOD He Mastered (IT)> and Put Himself to death and Brought His own WILL under the WILL of GOD> There was no actual SATAN ANGEL or Beast or Serpent, of some KIND talking to HIM (IT) was the Human condition working (IN) Him He mastered it by the word of GOD> God is more concerned on what is going on (INSIDE) of us not as much on the outside of us. “Make the “INSIDE” of the CUP Clean that the out side may be CLEAN Also”. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………………….gene
Gene b.So jesus was tempted by the satan in him.(your words).
1. But who took him up on top of a high mountain?
2. Who took Jesus up to the holy city,and set him on a pinnacle?
Please answer these questions.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 07 2012,10:36) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 07 2012,01:56) Wakeup……..The word Lucifer means “RISING STAR” and that was exactly what the King of Tyer was a “rising star” in the world, we still use that term today regarding a person who is become great in some way. The King of TYER was taking control of the complete earth. The word Lucifer is a description of what the King of Tyer was. Tell where you see that Isiah was sent to talk to a “SATAN” “BEING” I have never see that mentioned there have you. So again ASSUMPTIONS and Forcing the text to say what in fact it does not say is what causes many false teachings here and in religions, that is why we have thousand of different dominations in Christianity . Who is Gadr'el? (IT) is a Spirit which causes us to evaluate our conditions in life. It is in all humans and was in Jesus also and when this spirit (intellect) causes us to oppose the (WILL) of GOD and we follow (IT) we will sin (miss the Mark) We all must master (IT ) by controlling it, if it is going against the WILL of GOD. ALL Men have the “PROPENSITY” to Sin. However no scripture say Adam or EVE SINNED, that I know of, It simply say Sin entered in through them, I believe the first true sinner was the first (BORN) human being, “CAIN”, he was a lier and a murder , not ADAM or EVE no scripture says they sinned. I believe Cain is who Jesus was referencing when he said to the Pharisees they did the deed of there Father the DEVIL , He was a Lier and Murder from the Beginning” (of man) because He was the first (BORN) HUMAN “BEING” of all humanity.
If you are going to peach a DEVIL “Being” or “Person” please describe what he or she looks like, have you or anyone here ever seen him or her? or if He is angel Please show scriptures that say the devil is an Angel of any kind. Speculation hardly qualifies as a true teaching.
As far as Jesus is concerned he was tempted of His own Human Nature and reason , He Master ed HIMSELF the sin that was trying to control his LIFE, but with the Word of GOD He Mastered (IT)> and Put Himself to death and Brought His own WILL under the WILL of GOD> There was no actual SATAN ANGEL or Beast or Serpent, of some KIND talking to HIM (IT) was the Human condition working (IN) Him He mastered it by the word of GOD> God is more concerned on what is going on (INSIDE) of us not as much on the outside of us. “Make the “INSIDE” of the CUP Clean that the out side may be CLEAN Also”. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………………….gene
Gene b.So jesus was tempted by the satan in him.(your words).
1. But who took him up on top of a high mountain?
2. Who took Jesus up to the holy city,and set him on a pinnacle?
Please answer these questions.wakeup.
Wakeup……….Tell me where can a Mountain be found that a person can see all the world and it's Kingdoms, . If you believe the Literal context of what scripture say them produce you proof of where such a mountain in this world, especially around where he was. Your confusing the Literal with what was a Metaphor. There exists no mountain where you can see all the kingdoms of the world. This was a State of Jesus' Mind this was done in> Jesus was a Human Being and was given by God all power and He knew it, and that power and authority would naturally cause him to reason as he did humanely as any human would, and He mastered it by the word and power of God.You believe there is a SATAN right well Jesus said PETER was a SATAN, why don't you believe that?, Jesus said also the Pharisees were Childern of their FATHER the DEVIL, do you also believe that to be LITERAL To? You like most confuse Metaphoric language with Literal language. Satan is Spirit and is “PERSONIFIED” as a Person in scriptures, Just as Wisdom and Love is also. Do you think becasue Wisdom and Love is called a SHE that there exists a real She that is Love or She that is wisdom?> While the ARE SPIRITS (intellects) called by these names there are no “REAL” Person that are these Spirits , but only People who have these Spirit (intellects) (IN) them and that includes the Spirit of a Satan or Devil as PETER HAD (IN) HIM, when Jesus called Him SATAN> IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
Gene B.
You have not answered the other question;when satan took jesus into the Holy city and sets him up a pinnacle of the temple?
The devil(satan) TOOK HIM UP INTO AN EXCEEDING HIGH MOUNTAIN. This could be any high mountain and showed him
ALL THE KINGDOMS OF THE WORLD(future kingdoms).(vision).
The devil must have taken him into a spiritual realm,its not hard to understand.Mat.8:31. So the devils besought him,SAYING; IF THOU CAST US OUT,suffer US to go away -into- the herd of SWINE.
Evil in a herd of swine?Mat.25:41.Then shall he say also unto them,on the left hand;Depart from me,ye cursed,into everlasting fire, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.
Luke8:30. And Jesus asked him; saying WHAT IS THY NAME.
And he said;legion: because many devils entered -into- him.Luke10:18. And he said unto them; I BEHELD SATAN AS LIGHTNING FALL FROM HEAVEN.
(satan fall from heaven? you said satan is in all of us? on earth?).Luke 22:3. Then –ENTERED– SATAN –INTO–judas——
Into; means from outside in.John13:27.And after the sop,SATAN –ENTERED IN– HIM—–In; means from outside in.
2 Cor.11:14.And no marvel, for SATAN HIMSELF IS TRANSFORMED INTO AN –ANGEL– OF LIGHT.(satan is an angel). But you said satan is in all of us,this new doctrine is not to be trusted.I wont touch it with a 10 foot pole.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
It is funny how Gene believes that devils exist, but
DOES NOT believe that the prince of the devils exists.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,
God gave Gene his own FREE WILL to believe whatever he wants – even if that belief contradicts many clear scriptures.
YES, GENE, LIKE ALL OF US CHOSE TO SLAVE OUR SELF TO WHAT EVER WE WANT ,SOME TO THE DEVIL SOME TO GOD ,
Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2012,11:31) Hi Wakeup, It is funny how Gene believes that devils exist, but
DOES NOT believe that the prince of the devils exists.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ ………. Yes i do believe in many Satan That Prince of Devil's is the SPIRIT of Disobedience working (IN) Men which is against the “WILL” of GOD, (IT) works in the Hearts of Men. Men of disobedience wanting there own WILL'S to be FREE From GOD”S WILL> who think there own so-called “FREEWILL” choices is what saves them. When in fact only ONE can SAVE and that is GOD the FATHER “ALONE” and It is HIS WILL ALONE that SAVES NOT ours at all> Or haven't you read, “For He works (IN) US “BOTH” to WILL an do of “HIS” Good Pleasure”. If God works our WILLS in us, then it is not “US” by OUR OWN So -called “FREEWILL” CHOICES doing it at all. Men who think their own “FREEWILL” saves them are in fact thieves and robbers becasue they steal the Glory of GOD and apply it to their own so-called “FREEWILL” Choices , which they believe saves them> But Just as Jesus said , “ALL WHO CAME BEFORE ME WERE THIEVES AND ROBBERS” is true. Men are proud and love to steal the Glory of GOD and apply it to themselves, By saying their own so-called “FREEWILL” Choices is what saved them, when in fact it is GOD ALONE that SAVES> Will are not FREE in fact they are captivated and brought under subjection to the strongest INFLUENCES: in their lives. The term “FREEWILL” is an OXYMORON , it is contradictory to the way A WILL “ITSELF” WORKS> IMOpeace and love to you and yours EdJ…………………………..gene
Quote (terraricca @ July 08 2012,13:34) YES, GENE, LIKE ALL OF US CHOSE TO SLAVE OUR SELF TO WHAT EVER WE WANT ,SOME TO THE DEVIL SOME TO GOD ,
Terricca…………..It is not your Choice that saves you it is GOD”S ALONE. It was Jesus who died for you by power of the Father working (IN) HIM that saves US. You did not die for the payment of your death penalty It was Jesus who died, by the WILL of GOD> Your Choices had nothing to do with your salvation it was GOD Choice alone, no help was ever needed form any of US. We are Lead BY God to what we chose and that is not from ourselves. If it were, then we would be SELF SAVIORS which is the SPIRIT that is working (IN) so-called “FREE” “WILLER'S”. Why do you think Jesus said “NO” man “CAN” come unto me unless the Father “DRAW” Him. That alone should tell us something right Pierre? IMOpeace and love to you and yours Pierre……………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2012,01:17) Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2012,11:31) Hi Wakeup, It is funny how Gene believes that devils exist, but
DOES NOT believe that the prince of the devils exists.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ ………. Yes i do believe in many Satan That Prince of Devil's is the SPIRIT of Disobedience working (IN) Men which is against the “WILL” of GOD, (IT) works in the Hearts of Men. Men of disobedience wanting there own WILL'S to be FREE From GOD”S WILL> who think there own so-called “FREEWILL” choices is what saves them. When in fact only ONE can SAVE and that is GOD the FATHER “ALONE” and It is HIS WILL ALONE that SAVES NOT ours at all> Or haven't you read, “For He works (IN) US “BOTH” to WILL an do of “HIS” Good Pleasure”. If God works our WILLS in us, then it is not “US” by OUR OWN So -called “FREEWILL” CHOICES doing it at all. Men who think their own “FREEWILL” saves them are in fact thieves and robbers becasue they steal the Glory of GOD and apply it to their own so-called “FREEWILL” Choices , which they believe saves them> But Just as Jesus said , “ALL WHO CAME BEFORE ME WERE THIEVES AND ROBBERS” is true. Men are proud and love to steal the Glory of GOD and apply it to themselves, By saying their own so-called “FREEWILL” Choices is what saved them, when in fact it is GOD ALONE that SAVES> Will are not FREE in fact they are captivated and brought under subjection to the strongest INFLUENCES: in their lives. The term “FREEWILL” is an OXYMORON , it is contradictory to the way A WILL “ITSELF” WORKS> IMOpeace and love to you and yours EdJ…………………………..gene
Hi Gene,Our “Free Will”, are you suggesting is satan?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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