Beelzebub and demons

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hi GB,
You should believe what is written in Lk11 and mt 12.

June 15, 2012 at 8:52 pm#302563

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 16 2012,07:24)

Nick……….NO i don't brother, However Answered Prayer does Mean God is connected with a person and i do believe what i am saying about this subject is accurate Nick. I have ask God to Show me if i am wrong and i would change my views but so far that has not happened. So i stand fast on what i believe scripture is saying. If i am corrected i will change but can you say the same thing Nick? You and Mike have offered NO Scriptural Proof nor Present PROOF. If you and Mike would put “ALL” the scriptures on this subject together instead of little snap shots you could see what i have posted to you both. IMO

peace and love to you and yours Nick……………………………………………………….gene

GENE

that will never happen ,God give us all a brain ,mind,heart and memory,if you can not use them or refuse to use them no one can help you ,

do not expect someone else to do what you can or should do for yourself

June 15, 2012 at 9:36 pm#302564

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Hi GB,
So if someone asks God if they are wrong and they do not hear back that proves they are correct?
Check what is written.

June 17, 2012 at 2:04 pm#302831

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NicK………No that does not prove it is correct, But what is written if understood right with the SPIRIT of TRUTH given to a person by God then it is correct. There is revealed Knowledge and understand available from GOD to our minds , Just as Jesus said, Need SCRIPTURE , I can get them for you if you don't already now that. Much written in scripture takes the 'SPIRIT of Truth (cognate awareness given by that Spirit) to properly understand what is written. The Spirit of truth give us the ability to percieve the things written in scriptures rightly. Did Jesus not say God is a Spirit and Must be spiritual perceived. This perception come from the Spirit itself and is revealed Knowledge (intellect) into our minds. So to say all the time “what is written” and to Perceive what “is written” is quite another thing. This has been proven over and over here and many other places also. IMO

peace and love to you and yours Nick…………………………………………………………….gene

June 17, 2012 at 2:13 pm#302835

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 18 2012,08:04)

peace and love to you and yours Nick…………………………………………………………….gene

The spirit of truth is given in the scriptures,if you do not believe them you have nothing more than your own version

June 17, 2012 at 2:50 pm#302837

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Terricca……..you could not be more wrong brother. The spirit of Truth is give by GOD it is the Comforter spoken of by Jesus. Pierre i am surprised you did not know that. Scriptures are written words and must be filtered through the Spirit of Truth give us by GOD in order for them to make true sense. They must be Spiritually Perceived Brother. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………..gene

June 17, 2012 at 8:45 pm#302855

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hi GB,
Are you sure it is the Spirit that is teaching you?
If so why do you not produce scriptural answers but only your own thoughts??

June 18, 2012 at 3:27 pm#302981

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Nick……….I have produced scriptures and you just ignore them brother, and insist you understand is accurate, My issue is not that there are not Spirits that can control people and can enter them and influence them, i never have said that. The only thing i am saying they are not “BEINGS” Like a SATAN “BEING” as you and others falsely “ASSUME” , you also “ASSUME” when Jesus told Peter He was being a SATAN , He was talking to some invisible “BEING” that was Present there and not to PETER, But the whole context of what Jesus said there shows he was talking to Peter himself. But you have produced NO Scripture to Support you “ASSUMPTIONS”, Also when Jesus said to the Pharisee's there father was the devil and they did his deeds what FATHER What was he referencing Nick? was it not Cain who was the first Lier and Murderer of the human race?. And to say I have not produced scriptures is simply not true brother. Myself and Jodie have produced many many scriptures on this subject.

Evil or Demonic Spirit can posses a person Nick, i do agree with that and have never said differently they can completely take over a person and alter their personality. I seen that with my own eyes and once told a person he had a demon in him and he fell down backwards and said over and over “I am not mean, I am not mean” and i said i never said you were mean. I told the man to get in contact a minister i knew to try to get rid if (IT)> I believe these Demonic Spirit can connect with our minds and speak out as a Person but only through a real person never alone or by themselves . Because they have no power produce Sound of Speech except through a REAL PERSON they are in as all Spirits do. IMO

I had a very sad thing happen yesterday, I was with my grandson at a restaurant that i often go and have coffee with friends of mine, and there was the very LOUD SCREAM, coming from part of the restaurant over and over, so i went over to see what was going on, and there was this young women on her knees screaming over and over, i touched her and asked what was wrong and she just kept on screaming and i ask Her Father and Mother if they wanted me to call for an ambulance to take her to the hospital. Her dad said NO she was mentally Ill and it appeared she had these attacks in the past many times. I felt so sorry for her Parents and Her. Now i do believe that was a demonic Spirit taking her over her mind . It was indeed very sad to me Nick to see this young women overpowered by that demonic Spirit. I still grieve for her and her Parents.

I do believe in Demonic Spirits Nick , I just do not believe they are individual “BEINGS” , but are “PERSONIFIED” in scriptures as Persons Such Wisdom and SATAN and others Kind and types of Spirits. Even God is Personified in Scriptures but Jesus said he spoke of God the FATHER in a Proverbial (fictions illustration) Language.

Anyway don't think i do not believe in Demonic SPIRITS I DO and I DO BELIEVE they can take control of a Human BEINGS MIND>

peace and love to you and yours Nick…………………………………………………………….gene

June 18, 2012 at 6:56 pm#302986

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hi GB,
You have used scripture in defence of your doctrine.
It should be the other way round.

June 19, 2012 at 1:00 pm#303150

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Nick………..and you don't?

peace and love to you and yours Nick…………………………………………..gene

June 19, 2012 at 3:00 pm#303156

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 19 2012,09:27)

Anyway don't think i do not believe in Demonic SPIRITS I DO and I DO BELIEVE they can take control of a Human BEINGS MIND>

peace and love to you and yours Nick…………………………………………………………….gene

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The only thing i am saying they are not “BEINGS” Like a SATAN “BEING” as you and others falsely “ASSUME” , you also “ASSUME” when Jesus told Peter He was being a SATAN ,

now if you just change the word SATAN for ADVERSARY,TO GODS WILL,

HOW WOULD IT SOUND NOW???

scriptures talk about many adversaries to the truth ,all of those are SATAN or adversary to Gods will,

unless you submit to God you are a adversary to God (satan)

what is the antichrist ? what his wickedness all those words exist because of Gods truth ,

if their was no God there would not be wickedness or antichrist ,all things would just be a fact of live without God love,

June 19, 2012 at 7:14 pm#303167

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Hi GB,
To address a demon Jesus spoke TO the vessel in which it abided.

June 19, 2012 at 7:16 pm#303168

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Hi gB,
The pharisees were demonised servants of satan.
Serving RELIGION and TRADITION they had no knowledge of the Spirit of God.

June 20, 2012 at 1:05 pm#303354

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2012,06:14)

Hi GB,
To address a demon Jesus spoke TO the vessel in which it abided.

Nick………..The context shows Jesus was talking to and about PETER, not some unseen Satan “Being” as you Assume. It was Peter himslef that was being an advasary and who Jesus said did not percieve the things of GOD, not some elusive “SATAN BEING”. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………………………gene

June 20, 2012 at 1:07 pm#303357

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Terricca…………..> I also know that Pierre and that is exactly my stand Satan is the Spirit of an Advasery of GOD and Not a PERSoN or BEING as many suppose (IT) is. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………..gene

June 20, 2012 at 8:18 pm#303392

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Hi GB,
Are you sure.
Tell me how the man was a satan and how this fits with your understanding of demons.

June 23, 2012 at 2:24 pm#303773

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Nick……..How were the Pharisees the sons of their father the devil (or Satan) and do his deed as Jesus said they were? A demon is a Spirit not a PERSON brother. Demons are evil Spirits they are (IT'S), and come in all types and Kinds, While a Satan is a Person whose thinking is adversarial to God . That is why Jesus said Peter did not “discern” the things of GOD, as Jesus told Him. Nick Peter was the Satan Jesus was speaking to , we all can be Satan's, and most likely have been at times. A Satan is a “Person” whose mental processes are in conflict with GOD, There is no Satan “BEING” it is a Spiritual condition a Person has.

That is why it says we wrestle not against flesh and blood but spiritual wickedness in hight places . Nick these are people who are in control in hight places who are adversaries to the will and way of God, spiritually driven by lusts and greed , which leads them in life. Satan is not an INDIVIDUAL PERSON OR BEING, Satan's are Men and Women driven by their own lusts and greeds.

Nick go back and read what Jodi has said on this subject , She is right IMO.

peace and lvoe to you and yours Nick……………………………………………………………….gene

June 23, 2012 at 8:06 pm#303798

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Hi GB,
Jodi who?
Is she an anointed teacher?
Should we follow folk other than Jesus Christ?

June 24, 2012 at 1:26 am#303859

Wakeup

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 21 2012,00:07)

Terricca…………..> I also know that Pierre and that is exactly my stand Satan is the Spirit of an Advasery of GOD and Not a PERSoN or BEING as many suppose (IT) is. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………..gene

GeneB.

Rev.12:9. And the great dragon was cast out that old serpent,called THE DEVIL AND SATAN,which deceived the whole world: –HE– was cast out into the earth.and –HIS– ANGELS were cast out with him.

wakeup.

June 24, 2012 at 4:36 am#303871