Beelzebub and demons

[NickHassan]

Quote (Gene @ June 17 2009,03:45)

DB…….God is composed of seven spirits (intellect) these make up (ONE) group of powers or Elohim. Your confusing the word (LORD) with the word GOD (Elohim) or POWERS. LORD GOD, LORD (HE EXISTS) GOD (WITH POWERS) GOD is a description of the LORDS POWERS. These can be given to men as well by the LORD. Jesus now has all seven of these spirits on him, as shown in revelation by the seven eyes. That go forth into all the earth.  God is Spirit and Spirit is intellect, And is expressed through words. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………gene

G,
Are these the seven spirits that are in from of the throne of our God, and which He is seated on in Rev 4?

God is spirit.

Does that make EIGHT?

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ June 17 2009,10:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,17:01) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,16:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,16:11) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,15:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,15:26) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,14:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,11:50) Quote (Gene @ June 15 2009,06:50) DB……..the scripture does not say he is a being, it is translated to appear that way be translators, Notice it say the great dragon, was cast out that old serpent, (called) the devil and Satan, or  (Adversary Spirit)or (INTELLECT) is in scripture depicted as a being , much like wisdom is, But neither are beings. They are intellects or Spirits, brother as JODI has rightly brought out. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene Then how does “he” deceiveth the whole world? Hi BD: He decieves the whole world through religions and doctrine which is anything other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, thereby causing them not to believe the truth. Love in Christ, Marty So you agree their is a being? Hi BD: The devil is a spirit.  His messengers are men. Love in Christ, Marty does he have his own angels? Hi BD: The meaning of the word “angel” is messenger.  If you mean angelic beings, no, none that are loose on earth. Apparently, there were angels that sinned, but according the Word of God: Quote 2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;   Love in Christ, Marty So does Satan tempt or test any man? Do spirits influence anyone? Does the Holy Spirit influence anyone? Note: I am purposely trapping you so be careful God Bless you! Hi BD: The answer to your questions is yes. Quote Pro 1:10 My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.   Pro 1:11 If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:   Pro 1:12 Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:   Pro 1:13 We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil:   Pro 1:14 Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:   Pro 1:15 My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path:   Pro 1:16 For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood. Quote Psa 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.   Quote Jhn 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.   Jhn 16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?   Jhn 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.   Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.   Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:   Jhn 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;   Jhn 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;   Jhn 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.   Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.   Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.   Jhn 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.   Love in Christ, Marty You did not answer my question at all. Btw, Jesus also spoke in a way to trap the pharisees asking where did John get the authority to baptize from.

Hi BD:

I answered your questions.

Jesus spoke to the Pharisees in the manner that he did because of their hypocrisy. He wasn't trying to trap them. They were trying to trap him.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick………I explained this before to you. Its like a gun, say it has seven bullets of Power but it makes up one Gun , of POWERS OR ELOHIM. Same with the seven Spirit from GOD, they make up (ONE) GOD. Controlled by (ONE) LORD. Not hard to understand if you have the mind. imo

PEACE AND LOVE TO YOU AND YOURS……………………..GENE

[NickHassan]

G,
So the seven spirits are not the Spirit God that is on the throne?

[NickHassan]

G,
Understanding you is not the issue.
Agreeing with you when you wander into speculation is.

[bodhitharta]

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Actually he was trying to trap them in fact he said

Mark 4:11-13 (King James Version)

11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

12That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them

Jesus is saying plainly that it is not his desire for them to repent he is trapping them.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
These are the faithful ones washed clean by his word.[Jn15]

[942767]

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Hi BD:

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2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The Pharisees were hypocrites, and God hates hypocrisy.

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Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in [his] talk. Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites?

Also, read all of Matthew 23 relative to the hypocrisy of the Pharisees.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

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Hi BD: He decieves the whole world through religions and doctrine which is anything other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, thereby causing them not to believe the truth. Love in Christ, Marty So you agree their is a being? Hi BD: The devil is a spirit.  His messengers are men. Love in Christ, Marty does he have his own angels? Hi BD: The meaning of the word “angel” is messenger.  If you mean angelic beings, no, none that are loose on earth. Apparently, there were angels that sinned, but according the Word of God: Quote 2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;   Love in Christ, Marty So does Satan tempt or test any man? Do spirits influence anyone? Does the Holy Spirit influence anyone? Note: I am purposely trapping you so be careful God Bless you! Hi BD: The answer to your questions is yes. Quote Pro 1:10 My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.   Pro 1:11 If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:   Pro 1:12 Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:   Pro 1:13 We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil:   Pro 1:14 Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:   Pro 1:15 My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path:   Pro 1:16 For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood. Quote Psa 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.   Quote Jhn 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.   Jhn 16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?   Jhn 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.   Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.   Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:   Jhn 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;   Jhn 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;   Jhn 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.   Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.   Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.   Jhn 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.   Love in Christ, Marty You did not answer my question at all. Btw, Jesus also spoke in a way to trap the pharisees asking where did John get the authority to baptize from. Hi BD: I answered your questions. Jesus spoke to the Pharisees in the manner that he did because of their hypocrisy.  He wasn't trying to trap them.  They were trying to trap him. Love in Christ, Marty Actually he was trying to trap them in fact he said Mark 4:11-13 (King James Version) 11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them Jesus is saying plainly that it is not his desire for them to repent he is trapping them. Hi BD: Quote 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.   The Pharisees were hypocrites, and God hates hypocrisy. Quote Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in [his] talk. Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites? Also, read all of Matthew 23 relative to the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. Love in Christ, Marty

So is he trapping the hypocrites?

[942767]

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Hi BD: He decieves the whole world through religions and doctrine which is anything other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, thereby causing them not to believe the truth. Love in Christ, Marty So you agree their is a being? Hi BD: The devil is a spirit.  His messengers are men. Love in Christ, Marty does he have his own angels? Hi BD: The meaning of the word “angel” is messenger.  If you mean angelic beings, no, none that are loose on earth. Apparently, there were angels that sinned, but according the Word of God: Quote 2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;   Love in Christ, Marty So does Satan tempt or test any man? Do spirits influence anyone? Does the Holy Spirit influence anyone? Note: I am purposely trapping you so be careful God Bless you! Hi BD: The answer to your questions is yes. Quote Pro 1:10 My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.   Pro 1:11 If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:   Pro 1:12 Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:   Pro 1:13 We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil:   Pro 1:14 Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:   Pro 1:15 My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path:   Pro 1:16 For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood. Quote Psa 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.   Quote Jhn 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.   Jhn 16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?   Jhn 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.   Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.   Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:   Jhn 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;   Jhn 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;   Jhn 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.   Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.   Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.   Jhn 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.   Love in Christ, Mar ty You did not answer my question at all. Btw, Jesus also spoke in a way to trap the pharisees asking where did John get the authority to baptize from. Hi BD: I answered your questions. Jesus spoke to the Pharisees in the manner that he did because of their hypocrisy.  He wasn't trying to trap them.  They were trying to trap him. Love in Christ, Marty Actually he was trying to trap them in fact he said Mark 4:11-13 (King James Version) 11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them Jesus is saying plainly that it is not his desire for them to repent he is trapping them. Hi BD: Quote 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.   The Pharisees were hypocrites, and God hates hypocrisy. Quote Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in [his] talk. Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites? Also, read all of Matthew 23 relative to the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. Love in Christ, Marty So is he trapping the hypocrites?

No, I do not see what he was doing as trying to trap them. He spoke to them in parables, because they were not sincere in trying to understand when they came to him asking their questions. They were trying to find something that he was doing or saying that was not correct in order to accuse him of sin, and to nulify his claim of being the Son of God and His Christ.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 19 2009,13:13) Quote (942767 @ June 18 2009,11:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2009,16:40) Quote (942767 @ June 17 2009,11:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2009,10:36) Quote (942767 @ June 17 2009,10:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,17:01) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,16:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,16:11) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,15:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,15:26) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,14:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,11:50) Quote (Gene @ June 15 2009,06:50) DB……..the scripture does not say he is a being, it is translated to appear that way be translators, Notice it say the great dragon, was cast out that old serpent, (called) the devil and Satan, or  (Adversary Spirit)or (INTELLECT) is in scripture depicted as a being , much like wisdom is, But neither are beings. They are intellects or Spirits, brother as JODI has rightly brought out. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene Then how does “he” deceiveth the whole world? Hi BD: He decieves the whole world through religions and doctrine which is anything other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, thereby causing them not to believe the truth. Love in Christ, Marty So you agree their is a being? Hi BD: The devil is a spirit.  His messengers are men. Love in Christ, Marty does he have his own angels? Hi BD: The meaning of the word “angel” is messenger.  If you mean angelic beings, no, none that are loose on earth. Apparently, there were angels that sinned, but according the Word of God: Quote 2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;   Love in Christ, Marty So does Satan tempt or test any man? Do spirits influence anyone? Does the Holy Spirit influence anyone? Note: I am purposely trapping you so be careful God Bless you! Hi BD: The answer to your questions is yes. Quote Pro 1:10 My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.   Pro 1:11 If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:   Pro 1:12 Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:   Pro 1:13 We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil:   Pro 1:14 Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:   Pro 1:15 My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path:   Pro 1:16 For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood. Quote Psa 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.   Quote Jhn 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.   Jhn 16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?   Jhn 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.   Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.   Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:   Jhn 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;   Jhn 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;   Jhn 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.   Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.   Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he wil l shew you things to come.   Jhn 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.   Love in Christ, Marty You did not answer my question at all. Btw, Jesus also spoke in a way to trap the pharisees asking where did John get the authority to baptize from. Hi BD: I answered your questions. Jesus spoke to the Pharisees in the manner that he did because of their hypocrisy.  He wasn't trying to trap them.  They were trying to trap him. Love in Christ, Marty Actually he was trying to trap them in fact he said Mark 4:11-13 (King James Version) 11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them Jesus is saying plainly that it is not his desire for them to repent he is trapping them. Hi BD: Quote 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.   The Pharisees were hypocrites, and God hates hypocrisy. Quote Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in [his] talk. Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites? Also, read all of Matthew 23 relative to the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. Love in Christ, Marty So is he trapping the hypocrites? No, I do not see what he was doing as trying to trap them.  He spoke to them in parables, because they were not sincere in trying to understand when they came to him asking their questions.  They were trying to find something that he was doing or saying that was not correct in order to accuse him of sin, and to nulify his claim of being the Son of God and His Christ. Love in Christ, Marty

Why play games Jesus said he was speaking in parables so they could not repent and convert, he was trapping them.

[bodhitharta]

More proof that demons actually can attack people.

Mark 9

14 And when He came to the disciples, He saw a great multitude around them, and scribes disputing with them. 15 Immediately, when they saw Him, all the people were greatly amazed, and running to Him, greeted Him. 16 And He asked the scribes, “What are you discussing with them?”
17 Then one of the crowd answered and said, “Teacher, I brought You my son, who has a mute spirit. 18 And wherever it seizes him, it throws him down; he foams at the mouth, gnashes his teeth, and becomes rigid. So I spoke to Your disciples, that they should cast it out, but they could not.”
19 He answered him and said, “O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you? Bring him to Me.” 20 Then they brought him to Him. And when he saw Him, immediately the spirit convulsed him, and he fell on the ground and wallowed, foaming at the mouth.
21 So He asked his father, “How long has this been happening to him?”
And he said, “From childhood. 22 And often he has thrown him both into the fire and into the water to destroy him. But if You can do anything, have compassion on us and help us.”
23 Jesus said to him, “If you can believe,[a] all things are possible to him who believes.”
24 Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”
25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, He rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “Deaf and dumb spirit, I command you, come out of him and enter him no more!” 26 Then the spirit cried out, convulsed him greatly, and came out of him. And he became as one dead, so that many said, “He is dead.” 27 But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him up, and he arose.
28 And when He had come into the house, His disciples asked Him privately, “Why could we not cast it out?”
29 So He said to them, “This kind can come out by nothing but prayer and fasting.”

Now notice in Matthew it says he rebuked the devil:

Matthew 17
14And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,

15Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.

16And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.

17Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.

18And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

19Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?

20And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

21Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

[GeneBalthrop]

DB………Those were all mental illness that they Had and if you understand the word (SPIRIT) is simple intellect it will make sense to you. In the days of Jesus People thought that anyone who acted strange were possessed by some king of being, but we all know today that is not true they simply have a mental disease, an adversarial (Beings)or Devils have nothing to do with it. When they saw a person convolving as a Epileptic they assumed a devil being had overtaken him, when in fact it had nothing to do with that, but was simple a mental diseases or disorder of some kind. We today treat them as such with mental health care. There are (NO) Devils and Demon going around jumping in and out of People. The doctrine of devils and demons are all part of the Fallen Churches teaching , and many suffer from all kinds of phobias as a result and this is the plague spoken of in Revelations. We need to come out of all those false teachings. IMO

peace and love…………………………gene

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Gene @ Aug. 21 2009,12:45)

DB………Those were all mental illness that they Had and if you understand the word (SPIRIT) is simple intellect it will make sense to you. In the days of Jesus People thought that anyone who acted strange were possessed by some king of being, but we all know today that is not true they simply have a mental disease,  an adversarial (Beings)or Devils  have nothing to do with it. When they saw a person convolving as a Epileptic  they assumed a devil being had overtaken him, when in fact it had nothing to do with that, but was simple a mental diseases or disorder of some kind. We today treat them as such with mental health care. There are (NO) Devils and Demon going around jumping in and out of People. The doctrine of devils and demons are all part of the Fallen Churches teaching , and many suffer from all kinds of phobias as a result and this is the plague spoken of in Revelations. We need to come out of all those false teachings. IMO peace and love…………………………gene

Then why did Jesus rebuke the devil? Why did Jesus say to get that type of demon out requires prayer and fasting are epeleptics today cured with prayer and fasting? Wouldn't Jesus know if it was simply a mental illness?

So are you saying that we can these days cure actual mental disorders with a rebuking of the devil and how would you account for the time when the demons went into the pigs and the pigs ran over the cliff? did they have a disorder as well?

[Cato]

As far as the mental illness debate let me say this, I don't believe mental illnesses are caused by demons.  Having said this however, I do believe that there are non-human spirits of evil nature, and demons are as good a word as any to apply to them.  If they would impact any of us at all on this physical plane of existence who would be the most vulnerable to influence or attack, but the mentally ill?  In the words of the Bard, “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
Hamlet Act 1, scene 5

[GeneBalthrop]

DB……….We can and do have medicines for the treatment of Epileptics , and many mental illnesses. WE know they that have these disorders are not the effect of some spook devil jumping in and out of them. Remember, the accounts of Jesus casting out “devils” were given to us by people who did not have the knowledge that we now have. They saw and described thing as best as they could with the knowledge they had at the time. All mental illness was viewed as devils and demons causing it. But the word Satan or Devil simple means (ADVERSARY) and nothing else. Jesus said Peter was a Satan and one of the twelves He chose was a Devil and the Pharisees were of their father the devil. Now put that together and you can easily see He was talking about there mind set and it was as an ADVERSARY to the work and word of GOD. Nothing More. The whole teaching about devils and demons as some (being) person going around controlling a person is false and stemmed from, the false teaching of the Great Whore Church and Her Daughters and we are told to come out of those , or we would recieve of (HER) Plagues, and fear and Phobias are the result of those false teachings and have plagued the minds of millions of people in the past as well as the present. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Cato……….I do concur with you on the Idea of Evil and effecting a persons thinkings, but this is not a being of some kind, it is thought and thought is Spirit (INTELLECT) , Notice Jesus said when an unclean Spirit (intellect) goes out of a man (IT) goes about in Arid (or dry places) looking for rest. Now ask yourself why is it looking for rest, is it not because a thought no matter if clean or unclean in useless unless it is in a body , it does exist as (ALL THOUGHTS DO) but it is useless it can't effect anything if it is not in a body. This applies to all Spirit (intellect) it is useless unless it is in a body that it can animate and cause to produce something. The Fruit of the Spirit (intellect) of GOD produces GODLY FRUIT. Our whole concept of Spirit (intellect) as a (being) only confuses the issue. When in fact a Spirit is simply a Thought that affixes to a mind and becomes part of our intellect or thinking. So if a man sows to filthy things like Porno he is letting into His body filthy thinking and that will being to animate His body to do those filthy things. By the same token if a man thinks on the things of GOD his letting into himself GODLY things, “so a man thinketh so he is”. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Gene @ Aug. 22 2009,03:07)

DB……….We can and do have medicines for the treatment of Epileptics , and many mental illnesses. WE know they that have these disorders are not the effect of some spook devil jumping in and out of them. Remember, the accounts of Jesus casting out “devils” were given to us by people who did not have the knowledge that we now have. They saw and described thing as best as they could with the knowledge they had at the time. All mental illness was viewed as devils and demons causing it. But the word Satan or Devil simple means (ADVERSARY) and nothing else. Jesus said Peter was a Satan and one of the twelves He chose was a Devil and the Pharisees were of their father the devil. Now put that together and you can easily see He was talking about there mind set and it was as an ADVERSARY to the work and word of GOD. Nothing More. The whole teaching about devils and demons as some (being) person going around controlling a person is false and stemmed from, the false teaching of the Great Whore Church and Her Daughters and we are told to come out of those , or we would recieve of (HER) Plagues, and fear and Phobias are the result of those false teachings and have plagued the minds of millions of people in the past as well as the present.  IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene

so who was tempting Jesus?

[bodhitharta]

Job 4:14-16 (King James Version)

14Fear came upon me, and trembling, which made all my bones to shake.

15Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up:

16It stood still, but I could not discern the form thereof: an image was before mine eyes, there was silence, and I heard a voice, saying,

[GeneBalthrop]

DB………..A Spirit can manifest it self in the mind and in nature, even i n pigs, it does have power, but is never seen it does have (Unseen) power as the wind does but it is (NOT) a Being, It can only be in a Being, it's useless without a body to animate. IMO

You ask who was tempting Jesus , that was Jesus' (OWN) CARNAL MIND, which He Mastered in the wilderness, by putting it to DEATH, He saw it (as adversarial) Spirit (Satan) fall like lightening (suddenly) In the wilderness, He put it (his Will) to death and it left Him. The word of GOD prevailed in HIM. He that has eyes to see let Him see it. There is (NO) SATAN BEING ONLY ADVERSARIAL SPIRITS (INTELLECTS) CONTROLLING A BEINGS. IMO

peace and love…………………gene

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