Beelzebub and demons

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Gene @ June 13 2009,17:18)

DB………..Your need to go back and take your time and read read what JODI POSTED, She covered what you are talking about concerning the body of Moses. It was not his personal body because GOD berried Him, that Jude is discussing but His body of believers, even as Jesus has a body of believers also. God back and read what she wrote and all the scriptures she gave to back up her view. There is no devil or Satan beings going around jumping in and out of people. The doctrines about devil and demon beings is another teaching of the apostate churches. Men are the devils and Satans in the earth. They are the true ADVERSARIES of GOD, not some spook of some kind. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene

No problem gene simply explain this:

9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

What I mean is I am not resisting what you are saying the problem is it doesn't appear to make sense. How is it that this scripture claims that there is a being who was cast out of heaven because of his rebelliousness and this Spirit has his own angels.

I agree for the most part Satan appears as a servant but what about this breakout of war and the casting out in the days of Job satan was not cast out completely as he was still somewhat in the presense of God but Jesus even said I saw Satan fall from the Sky did this prosecutor for God decide he could be the judge too and was cast out for it?

[GeneBalthrop]

DB……..the scripture does not say he is a being, it is translated to appear that way be translators, Notice it say the great dragon, was cast out that old serpent, (called) the devil and Satan, or (Adversary Spirit)or (INTELLECT) is in scripture depicted as a being , much like wisdom is, But neither are beings. They are intellects or Spirits, brother as JODI has rightly brought out. IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

[NickHassan]

G,
How many intellects does this Satan have?
Have you not told us taoism is true and they all are of our God?

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick………..How many adversarial words are there, figure that and you have your answer. Remember (IF YOU CAN) Jesus said the words He told us are SPIRIT (NOT SPIRIT BEINGS). Satan's are adversaries and seek adversarial (WORD) or SPIRITS are Satans. The word Satan is a descriptor for an ADVERSARY as Jodi and Jesus plainly brought out, for anyone who has the spirit (intellect) of truth in them. IMO

peace and love………………………gene

[NickHassan]

G,
We do not need your taoistic view.
Scripture is fine as is.

[GeneBalthrop]

DB……….Go back and read what Jodi wrote and Her posted scriptures that will give you the proper understand of what devils and demons are and how they are falsely perceived as literial beings that go around jumping in and out of People. Fact anyone can be a devil or a Satan as Peter was or the Pharisees when Jesus called them the children of the devil, He was not talking literally of a being, but of a Spirit of Adversity that was in them, as well as Peter, nothing more. Making it more is following the false teaching or Doctrines about demons that was said the false church would teach and they recieve of the plagues spoken of there…………IMO

peace and love to you and yours brother………………………………gene

[NickHassan]

G,
We have one teacher.
Should you offer others?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Gene @ June 15 2009,06:50)

DB……..the scripture does not say he is a being, it is translated to appear that way be translators, Notice it say the great dragon, was cast out that old serpent, (called) the devil and Satan, or  (Adversary Spirit)or (INTELLECT) is in scripture depicted as a being , much like wisdom is, But neither are beings. They are intellects or Spirits, brother as JODI has rightly brought out. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

Then how does “he” deceiveth the whole world?

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,11:50)

Quote (Gene @ June 15 2009,06:50) DB……..the scripture does not say he is a being, it is translated to appear that way be translators, Notice it say the great dragon, was cast out that old serpent, (called) the devil and Satan, or  (Adversary Spirit)or (INTELLECT) is in scripture depicted as a being , much like wisdom is, But neither are beings. They are intellects or Spirits, brother as JODI has rightly brought out. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene Then how does “he” deceiveth the whole world?

Hi BD:

He decieves the whole world through religions and doctrine which is anything other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, thereby causing them not to believe the truth.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,14:17)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,11:50) Quote (Gene @ June 15 2009,06:50) DB……..the scripture does not say he is a being, it is translated to appear that way be translators, Notice it say the great dragon, was cast out that old serpent, (called) the devil and Satan, or  (Adversary Spirit)or (INTELLECT) is in scripture depicted as a being , much like wisdom is, But neither are beings. They are intellects or Spirits, brother as JODI has rightly brought out. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene Then how does “he” deceiveth the whole world? Hi BD: He decieves the whole world through religions and doctrine which is anything other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, thereby causing them not to believe the truth. Love in Christ, Marty

So you agree their is a being?

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,15:26)

Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,14:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,11:50) Quote (Gene @ June 15 2009,06:50) DB……..the scripture does not say he is a being, it is translated to appear that way be translators, Notice it say the great dragon, was cast out that old serpent, (called) the devil and Satan, or  (Adversary Spirit)or (INTELLECT) is in scripture depicted as a being , much like wisdom is, But neither are beings. They are intellects or Spirits, brother as JODI has rightly brought out. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene Then how does “he” deceiveth the whole world? Hi BD: He decieves the whole world through religions and doctrine which is anything other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, thereby causing them not to believe the truth. Love in Christ, Marty So you agree their is a being?

Hi BD:

The devil is a spirit. His messengers are men.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,15:57)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,15:26) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,14:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,11:50) Quote (Gene @ June 15 2009,06:50) DB……..the scripture does not say he is a being, it is translated to appear that way be translators, Notice it say the great dragon, was cast out that old serpent, (called) the devil and Satan, or  (Adversary Spirit)or (INTELLECT) is in scripture depicted as a being , much like wisdom is, But neither are beings. They are intellects or Spirits, brother as JODI has rightly brought out. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene Then how does “he” deceiveth the whole world? Hi BD: He decieves the whole world through religions and doctrine which is anything other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, thereby causing them not to believe the truth. Love in Christ, Marty So you agree their is a being? Hi BD: The devil is a spirit.  His messengers are men. Love in Christ, Marty

does he have his own angels?

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,16:11)

Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,15:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,15:26) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,14:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,11:50) Quote (Gene @ June 15 2009,06:50) DB……..the scripture does not say he is a being, it is translated to appear that way be translators, Notice it say the great dragon, was cast out that old serpent, (called) the devil and Satan, or  (Adversary Spirit)or (INTELLECT) is in scripture depicted as a being , much like wisdom is, But neither are beings. They are intellects or Spirits, brother as JODI has rightly brought out. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene Then how does “he” deceiveth the whole world? Hi BD: He decieves the whole world through religions and doctrine which is anything other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, thereby causing them not to believe the truth. Love in Christ, Marty So you agree their is a being? Hi BD: The devil is a spirit.  His messengers are men. Love in Christ, Marty does he have his own angels?

Hi BD:

The meaning of the word “angel” is messenger. If you mean angelic beings, no, none that are loose on earth.

Apparently, there were angels that sinned, but according the Word of God:

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2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,16:32)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,16:11) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,15:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,15:26) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,14:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,11:50) Quote (Gene @ June 15 2009,06:50) DB……..the scripture does not say he is a being, it is translated to appear that way be translators, Notice it say the great dragon, was cast out that old serpent, (called) the devil and Satan, or  (Adversary Spirit)or (INTELLECT) is in scripture depicted as a being , much like wisdom is, But neither are beings. They are intellects or Spirits, brother as JODI has rightly brought out. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene Then how does “he” deceiveth the whole world? Hi BD: He decieves the whole world through religions and doctrine which is anything other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, thereby causing them not to believe the truth. Love in Christ, Marty So you agree their is a being? Hi BD: The devil is a spirit.  His messengers are men. Love in Christ, Marty does he have his own angels? Hi BD: The meaning of the word “angel” is messenger.  If you mean angelic beings, no, none that are loose on earth. Apparently, there were angels that sinned, but according the Word of God: Quote 2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;   Love in Christ, Marty

So does Satan tempt or test any man?

Do spirits influence anyone?

Does the Holy Spirit influence anyone?

Note: I am purposely trapping you so be careful

God Bless you!

[GeneBalthrop]

DB………The quest here is what is SPIRIT, and YOU will have the answer. Jesus siad the (WORDS) he SPOKE (ARE SPIRIT) SO a WORD is SPIRIT , now what is a word ?, it is the expression pf one intellect, If it is GOD'S words it is the expression of GOD”S intellect or Spirit, If it is a Mans word then it is an expression of HIS intellect or Spirit. ” Try the Spirits, (word) expressed intellects and see if the are of GOD”. Why? because Godly intellect expresses Godly word. Jesus had GOD”S WORDS in HIM and SPOKE them to us. It's just that simple and is nit difficult at all to understand, Words are simply expressions of Spirit or intellects. Nothing more. IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Gene @ June 16 2009,17:33)

DB………The quest here is what is SPIRIT, and YOU will have the answer. Jesus siad the (WORDS) he SPOKE (ARE SPIRIT) SO a WORD is SPIRIT , now what is a word ?, it is the expression pf one intellect, If it is GOD'S words it is the expression of GOD”S intellect or Spirit, If it is a Mans word then it is an expression of HIS intellect or Spirit. ” Try the Spirits, (word) expressed intellects and see if the are of GOD”. Why? because Godly intellect expresses Godly word. Jesus had GOD”S WORDS in HIM and SPOKE them to us. It's just that simple and is nit difficult at all to understand, Words are simply expressions of Spirit or intellects. Nothing more. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

God is a spirit, is God just words and intellect?

[GeneBalthrop]

DB…….God is composed of seven spirits (intellect) these make up (ONE) group of powers or Elohim. Your confusing the word (LORD) with the word GOD (Elohim) or POWERS. LORD GOD, LORD (HE EXISTS) GOD (WITH POWERS) GOD is a description of the LORDS POWERS. These can be given to men as well by the LORD. Jesus now has all seven of these spirits on him, as shown in revelation by the seven eyes. That go forth into all the earth. God is Spirit and Spirit is intellect, And is expressed through words. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………gene

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Gene @ June 17 2009,03:45)

DB…….God is composed of seven spirits (intellect) these make up (ONE) group of powers or Elohim. Your confusing the word (LORD) with the word GOD (Elohim) or POWERS. LORD GOD, LORD (HE EXISTS) GOD (WITH POWERS) GOD is a description of the LORDS POWERS. These can be given to men as well by the LORD. Jesus now has all seven of these spirits on him, as shown in revelation by the seven eyes. That go forth into all the earth.  God is Spirit and Spirit is intellect, And is expressed through words. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………gene

so is intellect physical?

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,17:01)

Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,16:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,16:11) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,15:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,15:26) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,14:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,11:50) Quote (Gene @ June 15 2009,06:50) DB……..the scripture does not say he is a being, it is translated to appear that way be translators, Notice it say the great dragon, was cast out that old serpent, (called) the devil and Satan, or  (Adversary Spirit)or (INTELLECT) is in scripture depicted as a being , much like wisdom is, But neither are beings. They are intellects or Spirits, brother as JODI has rightly brought out. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene Then how does “he” deceiveth the whole world? Hi BD: He decieves the whole world through religions and doctrine which is anything other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, thereby causing them not to believe the truth. Love in Christ, Marty So you agree their is a being? Hi BD: The devil is a spirit.  His messengers are men. Love in Christ, Marty does he have his own angels? Hi BD: The meaning of the word “angel” is messenger.  If you mean angelic beings, no, none that are loose on earth. Apparently, there were angels that sinned, but according the Word of God: Quote 2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;   Love in Christ, Marty So does Satan tempt or test any man? Do spirits influence anyone? Does the Holy Spirit influence anyone? Note: I am purposely trapping you so be careful God Bless you!

Hi BD:

The answer to your questions is yes.

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Pro 1:10 My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not. Pro 1:11 If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause: Pro 1:12 Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit: Pro 1:13 We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil: Pro 1:14 Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse: Pro 1:15 My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path: Pro 1:16 For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood.

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Psa 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

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Jhn 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. Jhn 16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? Jhn 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Jhn 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; Jhn 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Jhn 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Jhn 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ June 17 2009,10:18)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,17:01) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,16:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,16:11) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,15:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,15:26) Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,14:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,11:50) Quote (Gene @ June 15 2009,06:50) DB……..the scripture does not say he is a being, it is translated to appear that way be translators, Notice it say the great dragon, was cast out that old serpent, (called) the devil and Satan, or  (Adversary Spirit)or (INTELLECT) is in scripture depicted as a being , much like wisdom is, But neither are beings. They are intellects or Spirits, brother as JODI has rightly brought out. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene Then how does “he” deceiveth the whole world? Hi BD: He decieves the whole world through religions and doctrine which is anything other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, thereby causing them not to believe the truth. Love in Christ, Marty So you agree their is a being? Hi BD: The devil is a spirit.  His messengers are men. Love in Christ, Marty does he have his own angels? Hi BD: The meaning of the word “angel” is messenger.  If you mean angelic beings, no, none that are loose on earth. Apparently, there were angels that sinned, but according the Word of God: Quote 2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;   Love in Christ, Marty So does Satan tempt or test any man? Do spirits influence anyone? Does the Holy Spirit influence anyone? Note: I am purposely trapping you so be careful God Bless you! Hi BD: The answer to your questions is yes. Quote Pro 1:10 My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.   Pro 1:11 If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:   Pro 1:12 Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:   Pro 1:13 We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil:   Pro 1:14 Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:   Pro 1:15 My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path:   Pro 1:16 For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood. Quote Psa 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.   Quote Jhn 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.   Jhn 16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?   Jhn 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.   Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.   Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:   Jhn 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;   Jhn 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;   Jhn 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.   Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.   Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.   Jhn 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.   Love in Christ, Marty

You did not answer my question at all.

Btw, Jesus also spoke in a way to trap the pharisees asking where did John get the authority to baptize from.

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