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Martin,
To become like Jesus you must believe his promise that we will stop sinning. One does not really do it as God is the power that changes you and puts your sins in your hand to voluntarily stop them. All one does is control the sins the one can and plea with God to cleanse you of the compulsion to do any evil you do. God is faithful and will do it as you mature toward completion. That is God's grace to those that seek him and so his righteousness.
Kerwin…………If it is a (VOLUNTARY) ACT then when why did LORD say (I) will (take out of you) the Stony Heart and (GIVE YOU) a Heart of Flesh. I appears that GOD is the ONE Changing Us not ourselves, right?
peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Gene,
You do not appear to understand what I stated since God does give us a heart of flesh in exchange for a stony heart. The one with a stony heart is a slave to sin and thus sins by compulsion while the one with a heart of flesh can choose to sin voluntarily as God has freed them from their slavery to sin through faith in Jesus the Anointed. Without God setting us free by his power we can do nothing on our own and it is his power that gives us the choice. This is why Jesus taught us that the Son really sets you free from sin. We know from this that God loves us as does Jesus.
Kerwin…….I do agree God has set us FREE from the power of Sin by His Spirit in us, So i do see your point brother. He also guides us and direct us and “works in us (both) to WILL and do of HIS good pleasure.”
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
There is much more to walking with God then concentrating on sin and forgiveness. How do we become like Christ?
Martian,
I cannot agree with you exactly since the instruction about seeking God and his kingdom is the instruction to stop sinning for there is no sin in God’s kingdom. All of Jesus’ teachings in one way or another relate to that subject though some are figurative as he used a mystic form of speech with hidden meanings that are discerned according to God’s desires and not mans.
My lack of confidence in the aforementioned disagreement is simply that I am not sure the point you yourself are trying to make as you do not go into details.
As a guess I will make one parting comment in that we walk with God through faith and he overcomes our sins be giving us the power to stop sinning. Still, we must walk with God or we will sin by compulsion.
First of all, God is love so we must be love as well.
Second we need the Holy Spirit.
Third we need to walk in the footsteps of Jesus,
I love him, He is the best role model I have, I want to love what he loved, hate what he hated,
Pray, ask, learn, think, pray more, obey, trust, and so on.
And I forgot to say, avoid sin, as Jesus did,
Spread the news,
Its not ours to keep for just ourselves, we need to share it.
Shimmer,
To love as God instructs us to do is to stop sinning as hate is a violation of God's law even if that hatred is a minor hate.
So it follows the man who claims to love his brother is also claiming to not sin against him.
Sadly when we claim to love it speaks more of our intent than our actions.
Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 21 2010,04:32) And I forgot to say, avoid sin, as Jesus did, Spread the news,
Its not ours to keep for just ourselves, we need to share it.
shimmeryes share it but HOW???
Pierre
Kerwin………..Stop Sinning is a (CREATION) not a self act, the carnal mind can not stop sinning it is impossible for it to, it must be created different . This is accomplished by GOD renewing our Minds and transforming them into the same mind as Jesus has. That is why we are saved by GRACE and (NOT) of or BY ourselves. OUR SALVATION is a CREATION OF GOD> All other form and theories about salvation process are lies and represents thieves who want to steal the Glory of God and Apply it to themselves. They remove GOD by saying they by their own so-called “FREE” WILLS chose their own salvation, in a sense making themselves their own God. They do this by saying they allowed GOD to Save them by their own choices. Kerwin the reason many fail is because they are (SELF) Reliant not GOD Reliant as Jesus was. That is why you do not see and hear about all the miracles that are mentioned in the new testament. The very foundation of true Faith has been changed by false Religions. Most are not trying to be like Jesus they have replaced GOD with Jesus giving him all kinds of advantages over us making him different , they have separated themselves from Christ and look to him as a God or demigod instead of seeing Him (EXACTLY) Human as they are and trying to conform to his behavior he had toward God , they make Him the object of Worship and fail to even realize it. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 20 2010,20:19) First of all, God is love so we must be love as well. Second we need the Holy Spirit.
Third we need to walk in the footsteps of Jesus,
I love him, He is the best role model I have, I want to love what he loved, hate what he hated,
Pray, ask, learn, think, pray more, obey, trust, and so on.
How do we walk in the footsteps of Jesus? How do we avoid sin as Jesus did? How do we love and hate what he loved and hated?
Do you think we need to make the same kinds of decisions that he made? Can they be off a little bit and not be exactly the kind he made?
Do we need the same character motives and intentions of God that Christ had?Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 20 2010,23:53) Shimmer, To love as God instructs us to do is to stop sinning as hate is a violation of God's law even if that hatred is a minor hate.
So it follows the man who claims to love his brother is also claiming to not sin against him.
Sadly when we claim to love it speaks more of our intent than our actions.
So I can do the things Christ did, feed the poor do miracles ect and not have the same motives or intentions that Christ had?Gene,
I agree that to stopping us from sinning is a creation of God because those that are controlled by their carnal mind are under the control of Satan and so compelled. Even though they are compelled to sin they still choose to sin because their spirit is impure and thus chases after the evil they should not do. Such a person may well have the desire to not sin but their love of sin causes them to fall into the traps of the evil one. I would call that free will even though one is under orders as the choice is there to make.
All of what Martian speaks of is the fruit of being like Christ. Our motives and intentions will be like those of Jesus who was filled with the love of God for everyone. It is God that fills one up with this love by giving the gift of the spirit of righteousness. That is the miracle of the gospel.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 21 2010,07:41) iant youselfKerwin………..Stop Sinning is a (CREATION) not a self act, the carnal mind can not stop sinning it is impossible for it to, it must be created different . This is accomplished by GOD renewing our Minds and transforming them into the same mind as Jesus has. That is why we are saved by GRACE and (NOT) of or BY ourselves. OUR SALVATION is a CREATION OF GOD> All other form and theories about salvation process are lies and represents thieves who want to steal the Glory of God and Apply it to themselves. They remove GOD by saying they by their own so-called “FREE” WILLS chose their own salvation, in a sense making themselves their own God. They do this by saying they allowed GOD to Save them by their own choices. Kerwin the reason many fail is because they are (SELF) Reliant not GOD Reliant as Jesus was. That is why you do not see and hear about all the miracles that are mentioned in the new testament. The very foundation of true Faith has been changed by false Religions. Most are not trying to be like Jesus they have replaced GOD with Jesus giving him all kinds of advantages over us making him different , they have separated themselves from Christ and look to him as a God or demigod instead of seeing Him (EXACTLY) Human as they are and trying to conform to his behavior he had toward God , they make Him the object of Worship and fail to even realize it. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
geneyou are very reliant yourself , you are fixing your theory of sciptures and personal views .
selve questionning and selve answering it ,
hopping the audiance fallows like sheep.all truth send trough the window .
Pierre
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the ability of stopping sinning is given trough the truth of Gods word,if it would be not accessible to us the apostles would have not ask us to do it,
the only reason you can not do it is because you like your canal ways and that the truth,you have to become like Christ spiritual minded and truthful in Gods way.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2010,01:36) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 21 2010,04:32) And I forgot to say, avoid sin, as Jesus did, Spread the news,
Its not ours to keep for just ourselves, we need to share it.
shimmeryes share it but HOW???
Pierre
Hi Terrarica,Picture this…a person fills themselves with food, it tastes so good, why stop ? Eat more than enough, more than they actually need, enough for two or more people, get fatter and fatter…However, a person elsewhere has just died of starvation,
Just like what we have spiritually…do we share it, or do we keep it all for ourselves,
Scripture says that in the last days there will be a famine of Gods word, maybe the problem is……those who have, dont share,
To share it is to tell people, speak to people, give away Bibles maybe, there are many ways.
Martian, Kerwin and Gene, and Terrarica,
This is a good topic, Im surprised it had not much attention at first,
The way I see it, God calls people out, does He call people out so they can be saved only ? No, I dont believe so, God loved the wolrd so much that he gave his only son, so all those who believe shall not perish but have eternal life, if God gave his son to save people, if God works with us, should we not then go out and do as Jesus said ?
We often cant do this with just our own power, we need God to work with us, the Holy Spirit to change us, and strengthen us, often with the help of other believers, then we are ready to do this, we need to be good people, we need to get on with others around us, we need to be a good role model , not a bad name.
As Jesus.
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