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Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,05:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,14:36) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,18:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2013,19:18) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,14:54) Wakeup, Quote THERE IS NO PERSON IN BETWEEN GOD AND HIS WORD IN HEAVEN. That strange as Scripture states otherwise as the man Jesus, who gave his life up for his brothers came to help humans.
Hebrews 2:17-18
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Kerwin.My question to Mike was: before creation.
there was God;has he got a brain?My question to you:
Before creation started; there was God.
1.Has He got a brain?
2. Does not ones words startes from inside the the mind?Please answer.
wakeup.
Wakeup,I have no problem believing that God has always had a brain and that his word begins in his brain. I do have a problem believing that the words that come out of his mouth are a being.
Jesus the man stand between his brethren and God because it is humans he helps.
Kerwin.Lets stay with before creation;before God spoke.
1. There was God and God alone with no Word spoken.
2. But his Mind is inside Him.(the Word was God).
There was no Word;yet.
3. His Word Came forth when He spoke his Mind.
4.This is when the Word was with God.wakeup.
Wakeup,I have no problem believing the word is God in the sense that God embodies his word. When he speaks his word it is with him.
My problem is if you actually believe the word was literally God and not just a non-being idea in God's mind before God uttered it. I also object to your teaching that God transformed into a lesser being that is God's literal utterance.
Kerwin.God's mind is not lesser than God,
He is part of God.
God's Word is not lesser than God,
He is part of God.
It is only that His Word obey's God.
God is almighty with his Word in Him.
When God speaks,it will be done.Is your mind lesser than you?
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2013,06:35) W Quote Lets stay with before creation;before God spoke. WHEN WAS THAT
T.Quote Quote Lets stay with before creation;before God spoke.
WHEN WAS THATAre you serious??
That was before all creation started.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:55) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2013,06:35) W Quote Lets stay with before creation;before God spoke. WHEN WAS THAT
T.Quote Quote Lets stay with before creation;before God spoke.
WHEN WAS THATAre you serious??
That was before all creation started.wakeup.
WWAS THAT BEFORE HE MADE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:48) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,05:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,14:36) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,18:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2013,19:18) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,14:54) Wakeup, Quote THERE IS NO PERSON IN BETWEEN GOD AND HIS WORD IN HEAVEN. That strange as Scripture states otherwise as the man Jesus, who gave his life up for his brothers came to help humans.
Hebrews 2:17-18
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Kerwin.My question to Mike was: before creation.
there was God;has he got a brain?My question to you:
Before creation started; there was God.
1.Has He got a brain?
2. Does not ones words startes from inside the the mind?Please answer.
wakeup.
Wakeup,I have no problem believing that God has always had a brain and that his word begins in his brain. I do have a problem believing that the words that come out of his mouth are a being.
Jesus the man stand between his brethren and God because it is humans he helps.
Kerwin.Lets stay with before creation;before God spoke.
1. There was God and God alone with no Word spoken.
2. But his Mind is inside Him.(the Word was God).
There was no Word;yet.
3. His Word Came forth when He spoke his Mind.
4.This is when the Word was with God.wakeup.
Wakeup,I have no problem believing the word is God in the sense that God embodies his word. When he speaks his word it is with him.
My problem is if you actually believe the word was literally God and not just a non-being idea in God's mind before God uttered it. I also object to your teaching that God transformed into a lesser being that is God's literal utterance.
Kerwin.God's mind is not lesser than God,
He is part of God.
God's Word is not lesser than God,
He is part of God.
It is only that His Word obey's God.
God is almighty with his Word in Him.
When God speaks,it will be done.Is your mind lesser than you?
wakeup.
Wakeup,The word begins as an idea in the mind. It is not the mind. God is in his word just as a man is in his word.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 25 2013,16:58) Your theology is a lie against the scriptures. It is obvious that the Father and Jesus are not “one of the all things that were created”.
It's clear that the FATHER, our ONE and ONLY Most High God, is not created. The God of us and of Jesus has existed from eternity. I believe this even though no scripture specifically says so.On the other hand, there are MANY scriptures that speak of how and when God's SERVANT Jesus Christ came into existence.
Acts 4
24 When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “you made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them…………27 Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.
30 Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”
The God they prayed TO is the ONE who created the heavens, the earth, and EVERYTHING in them. (Now, like I keep telling you, even though God Himself IS one of the “everything” in heaven, we can assume that Peter and John meant, “everything EXCEPT FOR YOURSELF, of course”)
But the point is that they prayed TO the one who did create EVERYTHING. And it is abundantly clear from verses 27 and 30 that Jesus is NOT the one they prayed TO – but the holy servant OF the one they prayed TO.
Are you able to follow this, Keith? Or will your bias keep you from seeing this clear and easy thing?
At any rate, if Jesus is NOT the one who created EVERYTHING, as is CLEAR from the prayer, then Jesus has no choice but to BE one of the “everything” that was created BY the one who created EVERYTHING.
Agreed?
I have 7 more scriptures just like this one, that clearly show Jesus as someone OTHER THAN the one who created EVERYTHING.
Would you like to see them?
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,01:00) I do have a problem believing that the words that come out of his mouth are a being.
Agreed.Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,12:33) My problem is if you actually believe the word was literally God and not just a non-being idea in God's mind before God uttered it. I also object to your teaching that God transformed into a lesser being that is God's literal utterance.
And agreed.Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,10:03) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:48) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,05:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,14:36) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,18:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2013,19:18) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,14:54) Wakeup, Quote THERE IS NO PERSON IN BETWEEN GOD AND HIS WORD IN HEAVEN. That strange as Scripture states otherwise as the man Jesus, who gave his life up for his brothers came to help humans.
Hebrews 2:17-18
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Kerwin.My question to Mike was: before creation.
there was God;has he got a brain?My question to you:
Before creation started; there was God.
1.Has He got a brain?
2. Does not ones words startes from inside the the mind?Please answer.
wakeup.
Wakeup,I have no problem believing that God has always had a brain and that his word begins in his brain. I do have a problem believing that the words that come out of his mouth are a being.
Jesus the man stand between his brethren and God because it is humans he helps.
Kerwin.Lets stay with before creation;before God spoke.
1. There was God and God alone with no Word spoken.
2. But his Mind is inside Him.(the Word was God).
There was no Word;yet.
3. His Word Came forth when He spoke his Mind.
4.This is when the Word was with God.wakeup.
Wakeup,I have no problem believing the word is God in the sense that God embodies his word. When he speaks his word it is with him.
My problem is if you actually believe the word was literally God and not just a non-being idea in God's mind before God uttered it. I also object to your teaching that God transformed into a lesser being that is God's literal utterance.
Kerwin.God's mind is not lesser than God,
He is part of God.
God's Word is not lesser than God,
He is part of God.
It is only that His Word obey's God.
God is almighty with his Word in Him.
When God speaks,it will be done.Is your mind lesser than you?
wakeup.
Wakeup,The word begins as an idea in the mind. It is not the mind. God is in his word just as a man is in his word.
Kerwin.Every word of ours came from the mind.
It only comes to be, when we speak.
The mouth forms the words of the mind.Jesus,was the Word of God in the flesh,speaking God's mind.What God says in his Mind;Jesus speaks.
Jesus was the Word of God translated into flesh.
How God did it, we know. A physical woman gave birth to a Son.example: just like translating water into ice. something
like that just to explain.
The water was always there;it's just changed into ice.You can not believe that the Word of God is a living Word.
And was with God from the beginning of creation.
He came down to earth,not transformed into man,but born
of water and blood. He really is flesh,like all his brethren.wakeup.
W
Quote You can not believe that the Word of God is a living Word. WORDS CAN BE BAD NEWS AND GOOD NEWS ,OR USELESS WORDS ;IF YOU ARE IN PRISON FOR 10 YEARS AND SOME ONE COMES AND TELLS YOU YOU ARE FREE ;THOSE WORDS ARE LIVING WORDS ,/FREEDOM WORDS ………
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2013,14:00) W Quote Every word of ours came from the mind. SCRIPTURES SAID IT CAN COME FROM THE HEART
T.We know you think with your heart.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,09:36) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2013,14:00) W Quote Every word of ours came from the mind. SCRIPTURES SAID IT CAN COME FROM THE HEART
T.We know you think with your heart.
wakeup.
WHOW DO YOU KNOW
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2013,16:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,09:36) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2013,14:00) W Quote Every word of ours came from the mind. SCRIPTURES SAID IT CAN COME FROM THE HEART
T.We know you think with your heart.
wakeup.
WHOW DO YOU KNOW
T.By putting two and two together.
You dont think with your brain;so you must think with your
heart,or can it be with your back side?
Nothing is impossible in this world.wakeup.
Wakeup,
I know how the word was made flesh because God told us that he would put his word in his people and write it on their heart. Scripture tells us Jesus is the Author(origin) of our faith and we are told to follow him. We follow him by doing what he originated and have the word placed in us and written on our heart. Jesus is the first of his people God fulfilled his promise for.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,18:49) Wakeup, I know how the word was made flesh because God told us that he would put his word in his people and write it on their heart. Scripture tells us Jesus is the Author(origin) of our faith and we are told to follow him. We follow him by doing what he originated and have the word placed in us and written on our heart. Jesus is the first of his people God fulfilled his promise for.
Do you really believe that Kerwin?1.Now we are all suddenly become the word of God.
2.There is no **one single man** called the Word of God
ren19:13.We all are.
3.John got it all wrong with his statement: in the beginning
was the Word. Wrong brother John.You had too much
mushroom.
4.We have NOW COME TO THE FULL UNDERSTANDING.
5.ALL CHRISTIANS TEACHING GOD, ARE THE WORD OF GOD.
6.But you said the bible is not important.Just a tool.
7. How can the word be written in our hearts? how was it
started?After all we are of the 21st century now;those folks back then are uneducated and backward.
8. OR; are you Kerwin possibly mistaken?
9. Are we not to eat the Word of God?
10.In the beginnng was the Word. And the word was God.
11. I dont remember being in the beginning.
12. I dont remember being God.Some in this world teach that Jesus did not really exist.
He is just a symbol for us to live by.
Dont get *sucked into* their way of thinking.wakeup.
w
Quote Jesus was the Word of God translated into flesh.
How God did it, we know. A physical woman gave birth to a Son.words do not become flesh ;words stay words ;just like frozen water stay
s water , or air and compressed air still airso your believe that words become flesh and a new born is false ,the triny's says those things about their view of three gods in one ,
and you deny ;THE VERY SON THAT GOD BEGOT AS FIRST OF HIS WORKS ,AND THROUGH WHOM ALL THINGS WHERE CREATED ,THE SON THAT CAME DOWN TO LAY DOWN HIS PERSONAL LIVE ,NOT WORDS THAT HAD MEANING TO THEM ,
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,01:49) Wakeup, I know how the word was made flesh because God told us that he would put his word in his people and write it on their heart.
That would require a teaching of, “and the word came to be IN flesh”, Kerwin.But that isn't the teaching.
“Became flesh” and “came to be IN flesh” have two different meanings. The former is what the Bible actually teaches, and the latter is what you twist it in your mind to be.
Your understanding relies on adding the word “IN” into the Biblical teaching – thereby completely changing the original teaching.
You may be okay with changing the original teachings to suit your purpose, but as for me, I'll align my understanding around what the original words actually taught.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,06:34) Do you really believe that Kerwin? 1.Now we are all suddenly become the word of God.
Agreed, Wakeup.Taking it Kerwin's way, by ADDING the word “IN” into the original words, leaves us wondering who Revelation 19:11-16 is about – since by that time, any number of people could have had the word of God “written on their heart”. And that means 11-16 could be about any number of people.
Yet Kerwin agrees that passage is about Christ. Why Kerwin? Why do you assume Christ is meant, when according to you, it could refer to ANYONE who has had the word of God written on their heart?
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,18:34) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,18:49) Wakeup, I know how the word was made flesh because God told us that he would put his word in his people and write it on their heart. Scripture tells us Jesus is the Author(origin) of our faith and we are told to follow him. We follow him by doing what he originated and have the word placed in us and written on our heart. Jesus is the first of his people God fulfilled his promise for.
Do you really believe that Kerwin?1.Now we are all suddenly become the word of God.
2.There is no **one single man** called the Word of God
ren19:13.We all are.
3.John got it all wrong with his statement: in the beginning
was the Word. Wrong brother John.You had too much
mushroom.
4.We have NOW COME TO THE FULL UNDERSTANDING.
5.ALL CHRISTIANS TEACHING GOD, ARE THE WORD OF GOD.
6.But you said the bible is not important.Just a tool.
7. How can the word be written in our hearts? how was it
started?After all we are of the 21st century now;those folks back then are uneducated and backward.
8. OR; are you Kerwin possibly mistaken?
9. Are we not to eat the Word of God?
10.In the beginnng was the Word. And the word was God.
11. I dont remember being in the beginning.
12. I dont remember being God.Some in this world teach that Jesus did not really exist.
He is just a symbol for us to live by.
Dont get *sucked into* their way of thinking.wakeup.
Wakeup,John is just saying that Jesus fulfills the Scripture that promises God will put his word in each of his people and write it on their hearts. He is the first one that received the promise and the one by whom others receive the same promise which is also covered in Johns words as Jesus is the Light of the world.
Jesus is also called Faithful and True and those that will inherit the reign of God are also faithful and true. I made the choice to capitalize faithful and true when it is Jesus because he is the way that those that believe are reconciled to God. I would do the same with word but it seems to confuse certain people.
God is in believers.
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