Attn anti-trinitarians: another us verse

[NickHassan]

G,
Wrong about being slain at the foundation of the world.
Compare the KJV version with any other and with the similar verse in Rev 17 and your will get it right.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2009,13:58)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,13:26) Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 11 2009,01:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 09 2009,17:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2009,13:39) Hi BD, Jesus was the scapegoat. The body is of earth and death. It cannot inherit the kingdom of God Nick, The Scapegoat doesn't die. Jesus is the scapegoat and he never died nor was he crucified. bod, How do you say that Jesus was not crucified???!!! The whole Bible circles around the fact that he was crucified. Read Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and the rest of the Bible. TC27 The fact is Jesus was not crucified or killed he was raised up to God alive, although he was thought to have been crucified Have you ever wondered why Mary didn't recognize him when she thought he was the gardener? Why would Jesus be in disguise? Hi BD, No facts there just carnal ideas from your book. He died as Holy scripture attests to several times and if you had followed him into his death and resurrection as rom  6 explains you would understand.

Was he risen on the third day or the fourth day?
Was he hung on a cross or a tree?”

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Are you desperate in your search for any confusion that might breed doubt so you can sow a false gospel??

[KangarooJack]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,13:45)

Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,13:32) bodhitharta said: Quote Where do you think Elijah and the others were Jesus says they weren't dead Hebrews 11 says that they ALL died in faith having not received the promise. Where did Jesus say that Elijah and others did not die? They went to paradise until the time of the resurrection. After the resurrection they went to heaven. thinker Where is paradise?

Go to Map Quest and find it for yourself.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Gene @ July 11 2009,17:02)

thinker…….We are told that GOD so loved the world that (HE) gave His uniquely begotten Son. Jesus is also called the Lamb of GOD. And now is before the throne of GOD as a Slain Lamb. Jesus was Slain from the foundations of the world we are told , it was GOD the Fathers Plan all along to redeem the world through The Sacrifice of Jesus. As scripture says. For you are purchased with a price and that price is the blood of Jesus offered for the forgiveness of sins of the world. Had GOD the FATHER not required this sacrifice Jesus would have never given it. “for without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin”.  Why do you Trinitarians and Preexistences constantly try to deal the FATHER out of the Salvation Process, something Jesus never did. IMO peace and love to you thinker……………………..gene

Gene,
Trinitarians do not deal the Father out of His role in salvation. Trinitarians deny that salvation is all of the Father. Anti-trinitarians deny that Jesus had His own role. His name is called “Jesus” for “HE shall save HIS people from their sins.” You deny pre-existence and then say that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world. I can't figure you out.

I gave you Hebrews 8 and you deny it. It says that the high priest was “appointed” to offer the sacrifices. Therefore, the Father did not. This was the law of Moses. Jesus was the high priest. He fulfilled the law of Moses by offering up the sacrifice Himself. The Father had nothing to do with it except to accept or reject the sacrifice. We know He accepted it.

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
Simplify it.

You have not mentioned the so called trinity in your above post.
Why on earth do you need such a theory as it adds nothing?

[Not3in1]

Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,03:07)

Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 11 2009,01:53) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 09 2009,17:33) Bod, Jesus died, but he also rose from the dead. We will follow him. He took our place because he conquered death! Though we die physically (as Jesus did), we no longer remain in the grave…but we will be resurrected now. Death could not hold Jesus, and therefore as we are *also* children of God, it cannot hold us either. I know you didn't ask me this question, just my 2 cents. Love, Mandy Mandy, I have disagreed with you on the trinity, but I could not agree with you more on this statement! You have said it nicely! TC27 Mandy, When you say we are “also” children of God do you mean that Jesus was a child of God like us? thinker

Hi Thinker,

He was conceived, and born; Jesus was made like his brother's in every way. He is the firstfruits, and we will be made holy because of him.

To answer your question though, Jesus is a blood-relative of God (for lack of a better way to put it), and we will be adopted brother's and sister's. But whether we are blood or adopted – we are co-heir's. So, it's all good with me.

Love,
Mandy

[GeneBalthrop]

Thinker………..Scripture says that God alone Saves, whoever He does it through is irrelevant , rather Moses, Joshuah, Samson, David, Jesus or whoever He chooses to is beside the point, it still is GOD the FATHER Himself that saves and delivers. All Glory of salvation goes to the FATHER Alone. Why cant you trinitarians and preexistences believe what Jesus Himself said, why negate the FATHER who is the ONLY TRUE GOD AND SAVIOR> (ALONE). IMO

peace and love to you and your brother………………..gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2009,17:14)

G, Wrong about being slain at the foundation of the world. Compare the KJV version with any other and with the similar verse in Rev 17 and your will get it right.

NH………So now your saying GOD did not Know the end from the beginning , He didn't know what He was going to do from the foundations of the world or that He was going to deliver Man from their sins by the atoning Sacrifice of Jesus right. Why do you Trinitarians and Preexistences constantly try to replace the Work of the FATHER with the work of the MAN He is working through, this is nothing more then (Stealing) GLORY from the FATHER , who not only Saves Us but also saved Jesus Himself. What part of that picture can't you get. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………gene

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

Jesus it the way to the father and they are one

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Gene @ July 12 2009,01:54)

Thinker………..Scripture says that God alone Saves, whoever He does it through is irrelevant , rather Moses, Joshuah, Samson, David, Jesus or whoever He chooses to is beside the point, it still is GOD the FATHER Himself that saves and delivers.  All Glory of salvation goes to the FATHER Alone. Why cant you trinitarians and preexistences believe what Jesus Himself said, why negate the FATHER who is the ONLY TRUE GOD AND SAVIOR> (ALONE). IMO peace and love to you and your brother………………..gene

Gene,
Yes it is God alone that saves. But Jesus is God.

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For you shall call His name Jesus for He shall save His people from their sins

and,

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…He (Jesus) became the AUTHOR of eternal salvation to all those who obey HIM (Heb. 5:8)

and,

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Looking for that blessed hope the glorious appearing of the great God and our SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST (Titus 2:13)

Why do you pick and choose the scriptures you will believe?

thinker

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

we need to believeall scripture

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 11 2009,11:27)

we need to believeall scripture

Hi Follower

Amen!

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
Is Jesus not yet your saviour?
He was appointed by our saviour God to be so.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2009,18:09)

Hi BD, Are you desperate in your search for any confusion that might breed doubt so you can sow a false gospel??

Why don't you simply answer the question?

Was it a cross or a tree?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Are you confused again?
There is a thread on this.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,19:19)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,13:45) Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,13:32) bodhitharta said: Quote Where do you think Elijah and the others were Jesus says they weren't dead Hebrews 11 says that they ALL died in faith having not received the promise. Where did Jesus say that Elijah and others did not die? They went to paradise until the time of the resurrection. After the resurrection they went to heaven. thinker Where is paradise? Go to Map Quest and find it for yourself. thinker

You said that Paradise is not Heaven so you should be able to explain where Paradise is and if you can't you shouldn't preach what your preaching.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
There is a thread on this.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,19:28)

Quote (Gene @ July 11 2009,17:02) thinker…….We are told that GOD so loved the world that (HE) gave His uniquely begotten Son. Jesus is also called the Lamb of GOD. And now is before the throne of GOD as a Slain Lamb. Jesus was Slain from the foundations of the world we are told , it was GOD the Fathers Plan all along to redeem the world through The Sacrifice of Jesus. As scripture says. For you are purchased with a price and that price is the blood of Jesus offered for the forgiveness of sins of the world. Had GOD the FATHER not required this sacrifice Jesus would have never given it. “for without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin”.  Why do you Trinitarians and Preexistences constantly try to deal the FATHER out of the Salvation Process, something Jesus never did. IMO peace and love to you thinker……………………..gene Gene, Trinitarians do not deal the Father out of His role in salvation. Trinitarians deny that salvation is all of the Father. Anti-trinitarians deny that Jesus had His own role. His name is called “Jesus” for “HE shall save HIS people from their sins.” You deny pre-existence and then say that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world. I can't figure you out. I gave you Hebrews 8 and you deny it. It says that the high priest was “appointed” to offer the sacrifices. Therefore, the Father did not. This was the law of Moses. Jesus was the high priest. He fulfilled the law of Moses by offering up the sacrifice Himself. The Father had nothing to do with it except to accept or reject the sacrifice. We know He accepted it. thinker

So Jesus Sacrificed himself or was he murdered according to your belief?

[KangarooJack]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,07:28)

Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,19:19) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,13:45) Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,13:32) bodhitharta said: Quote Where do you think Elijah and the others were Jesus says they weren't dead Hebrews 11 says that they ALL died in faith having not received the promise. Where did Jesus say that Elijah and others did not die? They went to paradise until the time of the resurrection. After the resurrection they went to heaven. thinker Where is paradise? Go to Map Quest and find it for yourself. thinker You said that Paradise is not Heaven so you should be able to explain where Paradise is and if you can't you shouldn't preach what your preaching.

Nonsense! I can't explain where heaven is either. Can you? We should not preach heaven by your logic because we don't know where it is.

thinker

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