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Quote (princess @ Jan. 22 2012,07:29) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2012,16:17) princess Quote Your God has supposedly created a woman for you to be your helper, but you are fighting against the very word of God by using Him to fill the void. this is a low shut,but think it over we all pick our battles according to our needs ,some needs men,some needs women ,some are perverts,but some looking for the truth of God to fill a void or need ,witch is the better one you tell me ,
Pierre
T,Then one should choose wisely on what fills the void. Which is easily known due to it is measured by how much peace you have within your heart.
Princessno one can see the peace in ones heart, but God,we can see the sword in ones heart because of his actions,
but again there are two types of swords right physic and spiritual
I believe Mike does not have a sword of steel but one of spiritual
this is what is the problem ;the power of Christ words did not prevent the sword of steel to cut his live;
it may seem to be stronger than Christ words at the time but it as show that the sword of steel is only a toy in Gods hands
and fouls,are all who believe in it .Pierre
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 21 2012,15:52)
terraricca the Bronze Age / early Iron Age man.I realise that individuals can grasp hold of christianity as a substitute addiction for alcoholism, but can you give any example of a problem facing humanity generally that has actually been solved by application of the biblical principles you outlined earlier?
Your religion has had 2000 years plus to find a solution to something. What would it be?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,That's an easy one, Christianity is a alternate lifestyle away from evil behavior.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2012,03:23) I bring that up so you all know that I'm not “running away” from anything you've said. I just have better things to do with my life than defend the scripture to people who think there are “two versions of the ten commandments”. Adios,
mike
Bye then.
I can't blame you for running away from, ooops,
I mean abandoning a losing battle.I don't understand why you were so concerned with the ten commandments anyway.
They were not spoken to you personally.Tim
This thread got way off topic.
It was originally a response to wakeup's typical bigoted, stereotypical theist opinion of what an atheist is.When people like wakeup know nothing about an issue they are generally too lazy to do any investigation into it. To hide their ignorance they adopt an easily learned stereotype. All pitbulls are vicious, All Mexican food is too spicy etc. and state it with great conviction, as if it is the result of much study.
Generally the atheists stereotype is seen as denying the “truth”, afraid or ignorant of the facts, dangerous, immoral, untrustworthy, self centered, unpatriotic, stupid … the list goes on.
Most atheists are simply content in their own knowledge that there is no god – like children who have figured out that there is no Santa Clause or monster under the bed. It is just another fact in a fact filled world.
Atheists in our society have a tendency to hide their opinions – some folks try to convert them, others try to lump them in with Hitler and Stalin. Granted this is better than the old response of having them convert or die and burn for eternity.
This lack of everyday examples of “normal” atheists leads many folks to have only the stereotype to go by. Since the stereotype is generally so poisonous, many non-atheists would not be seen reading books on, or researching, atheist thinking for fear of being taken for “one of them.
The truth is that many folks you know and respect may well be atheists. They are in all lines of work, come in all colors, both sexes, young, old, grumpy and friendly. Their common bond is that they have independently thought their way through tough questions like, Is there a god(s)? Is there a life after death? Is there good and evil? In most cases they have then come to conclusions different from those of theists.
Tim
Quote Stuart, if it's not too much to ask, would you explain to Princess that I do have an ex-girlfriend named Elizabeth that is the mother of my son? If you'll remember, she was looking over my shoulder the first time we talked over a year ago, and she made her own post to you asking how “love” evolved, and you two talked briefly. I only ask because Princess, in all her humility, has suggested I've made this ex-girlfriend up in some desperate attempt to impress her – for some odd reason.
No need to Stuart, I was not questioning that she was not real, I was questioning the way he treated her in the past, by catering to all her needs, then when he found God he stopped, and she stills wants to maintain the original relationship, and had created his own cross to bear .
And the impressing part, I think you should speak to him about “woman issues”, he needs to come out of his delusion.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 22 2012,07:18) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 21 2012,15:52)
terraricca the Bronze Age / early Iron Age man.I realise that individuals can grasp hold of christianity as a substitute addiction for alcoholism, but can you give any example of a problem facing humanity generally that has actually been solved by application of the biblical principles you outlined earlier?
Your religion has had 2000 years plus to find a solution to something. What would it be?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,That's an easy one, Christianity is a alternate lifestyle away from evil behavior.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
That doesn't really answer the question Ed. Did you read the scriptures that terraricca posted as a cure for sociopaths?Stuart
Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 22 2012,22:52) Atheists in our society have a tendency to hide their opinions – some folks try to convert them, others try to lump them in with Hitler and Stalin. Granted this is better than the old response of having them convert or die and burn for eternity.
Andrew Brown wrote in the Guardian:“Conservative evangelicals…. have moved on from supposing that it is absolutely wrong to be gay. They now believe that it is OK to be gay providing that you are very unhappy about it.”
Perhaps that is the next stage for American evangelical attitudes to atheism, also.
Stuart
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2012,02:45) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 22 2012,05:50) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2012,16:10) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 21 2012,22:52) Your religion has had 2000 years plus to find a solution to something. What would it be? Stuart
stuanswer ;get rid of the sociopaths,the people that love them selves above all other first and in excess,and also stop to preach evolution crap so that the abuses of others for a profit can stop
and so the love of God can enter mans heart ,
but this is over your head anyway
Pierre
So should I take it that you cannot think of a single problem that has been solved by application of the verses that you claimed should solve the problem of sociopathic behaviour?Nothing? In 2000 plus years? No universal solving of any problem?
And science, including evolution by natural selection, has transformed our lives on a vast scale in the past 200 years, not least of which is the theory that led to the technology you are currently using to communicate with others here.
Can you think of any problem already universally solved by application of any of the verses in your scripture?
Stuart
stuQuote Nothing? In 2000 plus years? No universal solving of any problem? well the scriptures are still teaching the truth of God ,and so brings the best out of people,
but we both know ;if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem ;
and only God of the scriptures as the solution.
Pierre
So, no problem solving by christianity then.Only platitudes.
Stuart
Quote Princess will remember how I was saddened to find out she was not a believer in the Hebrew God a few months ago. Likely she'll remember me counseling her that if she didn't spend so much time talking with atheists, this might not have happened. And then I turned right around and did the same thing! I've gotten myself unequally yoked in this thread with 5 non Christians. Paul warned against doing such a thing, and even though it took a while for it to sink into my thick head, I am now aware of what I've done, and will now heed his warning. Mike, you are not a believer in the Hebrew God, you are a believer in the Paul God. Which is fine, it is just upsetting that you will not admit it, I know it will ruin your I am a follow of jesus theme. I am not condemning you for it, just it would be nice for you to admit the whole matter. Nothing more, nothing less. I fully understand that you must return to the vomit you came from, so yes please do, because that is what you usually write.
The unequally yoked comment is really a oxymoron, when you think about it. I do not doubt that something greater came upon you, however I do know that you stopped at where you were the most comfortable, where it suited your ego.
Quote They are traditionally called “the ten commandments”, Princess. In Hebrew, they are called “the ten words”. None of that changes the fact that the ORIGINAL “ten words” are the SAME “ten words” that have ALWAYS BEEN the “ten words”. See? This is why I must leave this thread. I don't have time for this kind of absent-minded nonsense. Like I said, you are a waste of my time.
Goodbye Princess
Mike, think about it, which set of commandments do you think the public is going to accept. Really do you still believe that it was an apple that Eve ate, or only two animals of each kind went into the ark.
and no Mike, the reason why you are leaving is because you are not as strong as you thought in your faith, to handle the genre of thinkers, and as always you must lay blame on another for your short comings.
Seek healing Mike, and more then anything learn to forgive.
Quote Princess no one can see the peace in ones heart, but God,we can see the sword in ones heart because of his actions,
but again there are two types of swords right physic and spiritual
I believe Mike does not have a sword of steel but one of spiritual
this is what is the problem ;the power of Christ words did not prevent the sword of steel to cut his live;
it may seem to be stronger than Christ words at the time but it as show that the sword of steel is only a toy in Gods hands
and fouls,are all who believe in it .Pierre
Yes, T and we know what happens when your God places the sword in anyone hands, genocide and deceit both physically and spiritually.
Quote (princess @ Jan. 22 2012,06:38) I do not doubt that something greater came upon you, however I do know that you stopped at where you were the most comfortable, where it suited your ego.
“Something greater”?
You mean like you and WIT, who inaccurately claimed that there are two different versions of the ten commandments, and then didn't even bother to say, “Oops, sorry” after I took two hours out of my life to explain your error?
Or like Tim, who makes a joke about me “running away” without being able to give an answer to my outgoing and standing challenge?
I just don't want to invest the hours it would take to scour the scriptures explaining all your misunderstandings, that's all.
Quote (princess @ Jan. 22 2012,06:07) No need to Stuart, I was not questioning that she was not real, I was questioning the way he treated her in the past, by catering to all her needs, then when he found God he stopped, and she stills wants to maintain the original relationship, and had created his own cross to bear .
Hmmmm………….. I wonder if Stu will come to MY rescue now like he came to your rescue about the menstrual cycle thing?Princess, I've already told you that I spend every weekend at my most recent ex-girlfriend's house, enjoying my son.
But you don't know that my ex-girlfriend from 15 years ago still does my taxes to this day.
And that my ex-wife's second husband (whom I've never met), called me out of the blue and offered me a room in their home to get me away from my drug problem, once she had heard how they were ruining my life.
Or that since moving away from Iowa, a couple of old girlfriends have kept in touch through calls, letters, and photos of themselves with their growing children.
There is not one ex in my life that I couldn't run into today and have a friendly, heartwarming reunion. Nor is there one that I've ever laid a hand on.
And this piddly little post just wasted yet another 10 minutes of my life. I thought I'd come over here and defend the scriptures against atheists and non-Christians. Instead, I've found that I've spent more time defending myself at every turn. And for what? Who are you that I should spend my valuable time defending myself?
Think what you want about me. You already know how I feel about you.
Mike,
Quote Hmmmm………….. I wonder if Stu will come to MY rescue now like he came to your rescue about the menstrual cycle thing? A strange request, however let's wait and see if Stuart will come to your rescue due to your time of month. Should be interesting.
Mike, for one that says he has no concerns of what I think, you do take the time to let me know. Then again, one never knows what healing it may bring.
What is that, Princess? Did I hear an “Oops, sorry I lied and mislead others about the ten commandments!” ?
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2012,06:21) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2012,02:45) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 22 2012,05:50) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2012,16:10) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 21 2012,22:52) Your religion has had 2000 years plus to find a solution to something. What would it be? Stuart
stuanswer ;get rid of the sociopaths,the people that love them selves above all other first and in excess,and also stop to preach evolution crap so that the abuses of others for a profit can stop
and so the love of God can enter mans heart ,
but this is over your head anyway
Pierre
So should I take it that you cannot think of a single problem that has been solved by application of the verses that you claimed should solve the problem of sociopathic behaviour?Nothing? In 2000 plus years? No universal solving of any problem?
And science, including evolution by natural selection, has transformed our lives on a vast scale in the past 200 years, not least of which is the theory that led to the technology you are currently using to communicate with others here.
Can you think of any problem already universally solved by application of any of the verses in your scripture?
Stuart
stuQuote Nothing? In 2000 plus years? No universal solving of any problem? well the scriptures are still teaching the truth of God ,and so brings the best out of people,
but we both know ;if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem ;
and only God of the scriptures as the solution.
Pierre
So, no problem solving by christianity then.Only platitudes.
Stuart
stuwhy do you always trow Christianity in my face ? I ate them ,
they are the devils works ,and any one that is not the problem are leaving her,
you seemed to like to trow things to people that is irrelevant,to the discussion here,
men are increasing in number on a daily base but they have not resolve any of the major problems of the planet,they always finger pointing the cause of being a solution for other to deal with,
IS THIS YOUR TYPE OF MEN AND WORLD
?Pierre
Quote (princess @ Jan. 23 2012,06:48) Quote Princess no one can see the peace in ones heart, but God,we can see the sword in ones heart because of his actions,
but again there are two types of swords right physic and spiritual
I believe Mike does not have a sword of steel but one of spiritual
this is what is the problem ;the power of Christ words did not prevent the sword of steel to cut his live;
it may seem to be stronger than Christ words at the time but it as show that the sword of steel is only a toy in Gods hands
and fouls,are all who believe in it .Pierre
Yes, T and we know what happens when your God places the sword in anyone hands, genocide and deceit both physically and spiritually.
princessQuote Yes, T and we know what happens when your God places the sword in anyone hands, genocide and deceit both physically and spiritually. but we know that God did not places a sword in men s heart or hands,
this IS men himself that does this,MEN CULTIVATE IN HIS HEART THE FRUITS OF ;GREED,EGO,AND SO PRODUCES ;THE SOCIOPATHS,DICTATORS,MASS MURDERERS,ECT.
you may look at only the big events but they start all small,
and are groomed and maintain and so flourish in their own season,
but the scriptures says that God as put the date wen it will stop,
this will be my day ,
Pierre
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,04:02) What is that, Princess? Did I hear an “Oops, sorry I lied and mislead others about the ten commandments!” ?
Mike,Hebrew scholars call them decalogue, one is considered a ritual the other ethical. Some refer to them as covenant codes.
So yes Mike there are many sets of covenant codes however the only reference to the 'ten words' is the ritual decalogue. (Exodus 34.28) which is not the traditional ten commandments.and Mike just for fun look up Documentary Hypothesis, then come back and tell me that the voices in your head are telling you the same thing.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2012,05:13) Quote (princess @ Jan. 23 2012,06:48) Quote Princess no one can see the peace in ones heart, but God,we can see the sword in ones heart because of his actions,
but again there are two types of swords right physic and spiritual
I believe Mike does not have a sword of steel but one of spiritual
this is what is the problem ;the power of Christ words did not prevent the sword of steel to cut his live;
it may seem to be stronger than Christ words at the time but it as show that the sword of steel is only a toy in Gods hands
and fouls,are all who believe in it .Pierre
Yes, T and we know what happens when your God places the sword in anyone hands, genocide and deceit both physically and spiritually.
princessQuote Yes, T and we know what happens when your God places the sword in anyone hands, genocide and deceit both physically and spiritually. but we know that God did not places a sword in men s heart or hands,
this IS men himself that does this,MEN CULTIVATE IN HIS HEART THE FRUITS OF ;GREED,EGO,AND SO PRODUCES ;THE SOCIOPATHS,DICTATORS,MASS MURDERERS,ECT.
you may look at only the big events but they start all small,
and are groomed and maintain and so flourish in their own season,
but the scriptures says that God as put the date wen it will stop,
this will be my day ,
Pierre
Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.
(Enoch)and the love in some produce food, shelters, education, clean water, housing, help. You may look at the world with deciet and hate does not mean all people do.
Your God does not like the human race, why set someone up for failure, that is very cruel to do.
So perhaps when man has such issues as you stated, they did not come from man, they came from your God, for I can list every one he did also.
Quote (princess @ Jan. 22 2012,18:22) So yes Mike there are many sets of covenant codes however the only reference to the 'ten words' is the ritual decalogue. (Exodus 34.28) which is not the traditional ten commandments.
Deuteronomy 9:10
10 The LORD gave me two stone tablets inscribed by the finger of God. On them were all the commandments the LORD proclaimed to you on the mountain out of the fire, on the day of the assembly.Princess, what ten words were on the first tablets?
Deuteronomy 10:4
The Lord then wrote on the tablets the same words, the ten commandments, which he had spoken to you at the mountain from the middle of the fire at the time of that assembly, and he gave them to me.What ten words were on the second tablets?
I don't quite understand the problem you're having with these scriptural teachings.
And the Hebrew word translated as “commandments” in Deut 10:4 above is “dabar” – the same exact word used in Exodus 34:28.
The ten words God spoke to the assembly from the mountain are the SAME ten words God wrote on the first tablets, and the SAME ten words He wrote on the second ones.
They are the ONLY “ten words” mentioned in the scriptures.
How many times must I show you the same thing before you admit you were wrong?
Quote (princess @ Jan. 23 2012,18:42) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2012,05:13) Quote (princess @ Jan. 23 2012,06:48) Quote Princess no one can see the peace in ones heart, but God,we can see the sword in ones heart because of his actions,
but again there are two types of swords right physic and spiritual
I believe Mike does not have a sword of steel but one of spiritual
this is what is the problem ;the power of Christ words did not prevent the sword of steel to cut his live;
it may seem to be stronger than Christ words at the time but it as show that the sword of steel is only a toy in Gods hands
and fouls,are all who believe in it .Pierre
Yes, T and we know what happens when your God places the sword in anyone hands, genocide and deceit both physically and spiritually.
princessQuote Yes, T and we know what happens when your God places the sword in anyone hands, genocide and deceit both physically and spiritually. but we know that God did not places a sword in men s heart or hands,
this IS men himself that does this,MEN CULTIVATE IN HIS HEART THE FRUITS OF ;GREED,EGO,AND SO PRODUCES ;THE SOCIOPATHS,DICTATORS,MASS MURDERERS,ECT.
you may look at only the big events but they start all small,
and are groomed and maintain and so flourish in their own season,
but the scriptures says that God as put the date wen it will stop,
this will be my day ,
Pierre
Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.
(Enoch)and the love in some produce food, shelters, education, clean water, housing, help. You may look at the world with deciet and hate does not mean all people do.
Your God does not like the human race, why set someone up for failure, that is very cruel to do.
So perhaps when man has such issues as you stated, they did not come from man, they came from your God, for I can list every one he did also.
Princessmen started the corruption and God will ended ,in a nut shell that is the war,
men fighting with steel,
and God fighting with his spirit ,all wars and crimes are made by men ,but in justice there is no crime ,
if there would be then we have no authority to punish criminals ,
and then all would be doing what they want and kill as they please
Pierre
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