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What is an atheist?
An atheist can only see what is in the material world,what they can not see under the microscope does not exist.
But strangely enough they try to prove that there is no God by quoting the scriptures sometimes.To them God does not exist; The spiritual does not exist,its all in the mind.Love does not exist,because its invisible(how sad)The 10 commandments is just something that man has dreamed up,but yet they try to live by it,so strange to me.Good and bad is relevant.What is bad to one is not necessary bad to another.One can steal, and say its alright to me,Its my survival.One can not judge; because it is all relevant.
But one can not oppress the woman,because it is not right they say;But why? Its right to me,maybe not to you,let me run my life,and you yours.There is no good and bad, there can not be; If an atheist still believe in Good and bad,then he or she is not a true atheist,but a confused person.Where is the line that define good and bad.They have no line.Believers in God does have that line,SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.
Atheist dont have that law,they have to borrow it from the bible a book that is the creation of man to them.Show me the atheist doctrine to live by,without borrowing it from the bible?
How do we live an atheist life;Show me the rules.
The world has produce some proud minds,they are clouds without rain.Rejecting the creator,believing that they created them selves,there is no God; We are God.
I can go on and on,I stop it here.May the force be up on you,is that what you say?
wakeup.
Congratulations wakeup,
I seldom see anyone spout so much insane, unqualified drivel in such a small
space.Your name is fitting, wakeup, perhaps some day you may.
Tim
Tim it is easy to call a post drivel.
How about proving it.The post is actually full of good points.
If it is drivel to you, then I think it shows that you are indoctrinated to the point where you cannot glean anything except it first follows your belief system.
That is the definition of narrow-mindedness or being full of yourself.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 21 2011,06:53) The post is actually full of good points.
“An atheist can only see what is in the material world” is right. But then that applies to everyone, whether theist or not. Faith is the oxymoronic “evidence of the unseen”.But you were claiming this is full of good points. Please give me a second example.
Stuart
Atheists,
What is your end game?
Christians are called to spread the gospel to non-believers; but what's in it for you?
I often wonder why you guys try so hard to ridicule and belittle us. Are you trying to save our souls so that after we die, we'll be better worm food?
I guess I've always wondered exactly why it's important for you to convince us that there is no God, and that we believe in fairy tales? Why is it important to you?
If we are happy with our “fairy tales”, then why not just let us be?
Answer: If the work you guys do wasn't the work of Satan himself, you WOULD just let us be. But because your father, (the father of lies), wants to have more company where he's going, he sends you guys out to recruit.
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 21 2011,08:17) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 21 2011,06:53) The post is actually full of good points.
“An atheist can only see what is in the material world” is right. But then that applies to everyone, whether theist or not. Faith is the oxymoronic “evidence of the unseen”.But you were claiming this is full of good points. Please give me a second example.
Stuart
Atheists generally concur or see the benefit in the commandments. Atheists generally concur that there is good and bad even if they make the intellectual argument that it doesn't exist.Do I have to go on?
Read the post again.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 21 2011,08:33) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 21 2011,08:17) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 21 2011,06:53) The post is actually full of good points.
“An atheist can only see what is in the material world” is right. But then that applies to everyone, whether theist or not. Faith is the oxymoronic “evidence of the unseen”.But you were claiming this is full of good points. Please give me a second example.
Stuart
Atheists generally concur or see the benefit in the commandments. Atheists generally concur that there is good and bad even if they make the intellectual argument that it doesn't exist.Do I have to go on?
Read the post again.
The commandments consist of god clearing his throat with a lot of totalitarian egomaniacal nonsense followed later by three useful rules, on lying when it matters, murder and theft, that in any case were in play long before the invention of monotheism. So that wasn't a very good point.Regarding your second attempt, perhaps you can reconcile your claim “Atheists generally concur that there is good and bad” with Wakeup's one that goes “There is no good and bad, there can not be; If an atheist still believe in Good and bad,then he or she is not a true atheist,but a confused person.Where is the line that define good and bad.They have no line.”
It doesn't seem to be me who has not read his post.
Stuart
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2011,08:29) I guess I've always wondered exactly why it's important for you to convince us that there is no God, and that we believe in fairy tales? Why is it important to you?
I can answer that as I was an Atheist for years.In short, if lot's of people believe that it is important to believe in God, then that is an uncomfortable thought for someone who doesn't want to believe that, because what if they were wrong, (they think). It certainly would be more comfortable for them if everyone didn't believe and then everyone would be in the same cart and they wouldn't be the risk taker that faces the possibility of being wrong. And if everyone didn't believe then if it truned out that was a God, then he would either have to save everyone or destroy everyone. There would be no judgement from one group judging another group.
A bit like being the naughty kid in class. It is much easier if everyone in the class did something wrong, then you feel better about any possible consequences.
Or look at it like this. If you break the speed limit because you believe you have the right to do so, it still has that uncomfortable feeling that you are breaking the law and doing wrong. In cultures where everyone breaks the speed limit, then you don't feel that it is that bad and you are more comfortable with it.
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2011,15:31) While you are at it t8, perhaps you could find one good point in mike's post. Stuart
My post wasn't meant to be “good” or “bad”. It was meant to derive an answer from an atheist: WHY does us believing in God bother you so? WHY is it important to you to show us our “error”?Quote (Stu @ Dec. 21 2011,08:41) “Atheists generally concur that there is good and bad” with Wakeup's one that goes “There is no good and bad, there can not be; If an atheist still believe in Good and bad,then he or she is not a true atheist,but a confused person.Where is the line that define good and bad.They have no line.”
You are confused.If there is no God, then there is no good and bad, and generally even Atheists have a standard of good and bad.
As an aside, a conscience at all is evidence of a righteous God because the initial programming of knowledge (con SCIENCE) contains the awareness of good and bad, which teaches us something about the one who put it there.
Conscience is the law of God written in to our very being. We all have that innate knowledge of good and bad. Even Atheists have it. Even great apes such as yourself.
But you of course demote it to some kind of evolutionary process when in actual fact, just killing people is better from an evolution perspective because that leaves you to pass on your DNA and you get more environment in which to survive.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2011,08:46) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2011,15:31) While you are at it t8, perhaps you could find one good point in mike's post. Stuart
My post wasn't meant to be “good” or “bad”. It was meant to derive an answer from an atheist: WHY does us believing in God bother you so? WHY is it important to you to show us our “error”?
I couldn't care less whether you have not been able to take the advice of Saul of Tarsus and leave the things of childhood behind you, ie belief in Imaginary Friends, but perhaps your own statements might give you a clue as to why non-deluded people sometimes have problems with your fantasy assertions:“Christians are called to spread the gospel to non-believers“
“If the work you guys do wasn't the work of Satan himself, you WOULD just let us be. But because your father, (the father of lies), wants to have more company where he's going, he sends you guys out to recruit“
Stuart
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2011,08:48) Thanks for your input, t8. What say you, Stu? Did t8 hit the nail on the head?
I've got absolutely no idea what he was prattling on about. I think it more likely t8 hit his head on a nail, than the converse.Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 21 2011,08:53) If there is no God, then there is no good and bad,
I don't believe that.Stuart
Then WHO, at some time, decided that some things/behaviors were “good”, while others were “bad”?
Do you think killing human beings is “bad”? Why? As t8 pointed out, if survival is our main evolutionist goal (as if a non-intelligent thing could have a goal), then it should be GOOD to kill other human beings, right? Then we could take what they had.
Is that how you feel, Stu? Would you like to kill other human beings so you could have their stuff and make more room for yourself? If not, then why?
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2011,16:17) perhaps your own statements might give you a clue as to why non-deluded people sometimes have problems with your fantasy assertions: “Christians are called to spread the gospel to non-believers“
But I didn't come to an atheist site looking for you. Why did you come here to ridicule me?Quote (Stu @ Dec. 21 2011,16:22) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 21 2011,08:53) If there is no God, then there is no good and bad,
I don't believe that.Stuart
stuyou have to believe it ,you have no choice,just as your big bang story,one goes with the other
Pierre
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 21 2011,09:22) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 21 2011,08:53) If there is no God, then there is no good and bad,
I don't believe that.Stuart
Most Atheists I have heard do believe that there is no such thing. Good to see that you believe that. Pity you cannot see from which source it came. Again you likely boil it down to some lame evolutionary process which neither knows the difference between good and bad.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2011,09:28) Then WHO, at some time, decided that some things/behaviors were “good”, while others were “bad”? Do you think killing human beings is “bad”? Why? As t8 pointed out, if survival is our main evolutionist goal (as if a non-intelligent thing could have a goal), then it should be GOOD to kill other human beings, right? Then we could take what they had.
Is that how you feel, Stu? Would you like to kill other human beings so you could have their stuff and make more room for yourself? If not, then why?
How about you have a harder think about this? How about you try and work out how I could believe in good and bad and an evolutionary basis for it, and especially how a tendency to killing others could be a very poor adaptation for survival.Stuart
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