As indeed there are many gods………..

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2012,04:00)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,08:45) is not God “the almighty” – yes or no?

So “Yes” then, right?

[mikeboll64]

To which “elohim” do you refer, Ed?  The one named “YHWH” is the Almighty elohim.

But since there are many “Gods” mentioned in the scriptures, your question cannot be answered without more information.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,14:21)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2012,04:00) Is it because there isn't [ONE OF THESE] in Israel that you must go to [ONE OF THESE] in Ekron?  Whatever definition fills the first brackets must also fill the second brackets – due to context. Hi Mike, “The Almighty” of 'the mighty ones'.

So you think the question is:  Is it because there isn't AN ALMIGHTY ONE in Israel that you must go to A MIGHTY ONE in Ekron? ?

Also, can Jehovah be the almighty one without being a mighty one?  

And, why do you suppose the Hebrews even have a word for “almighty” to describe Jehovah, if the word “el” already MEANS “almighty” in reference to Him?

[mikeboll64]

Wakeup? journey? SOMEONE?

I need to discuss this important scriptural issue with a person who is not just interested in playing games.

Anyone out there?

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,07:22)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2012,04:00) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,08:45) is not God “the almighty” – yes or no? So “Yes” then, right?

Hi Mike,

The answer is yes and you know it.

[mikeboll64]

If by “God”, you refer to Jehovah, then the answer is yes. But how do we know Jehovah is the Almighty, Ed?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 30 2012,12:26)

If by “God”, you refer to Jehovah, then the answer is yes.  But how do we know Jehovah is the Almighty, Ed?

Hi Mike,

“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is
JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.”
Is not the most high – “The Almighty”?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Yes it is, Ed.  So, we didn't come by this knowledge from the Hebrew word “el” then, right?  We had to be told that Jehovah is the Most High from OTHER scriptures that actually say He's the Most High, right?

Why would those scriptures need to be there if the word “el” already MEANS “Most High” in reference to Jehovah?  Why would they need the word “shaddai” if “el” already means “Most High” in reference to Jehovah?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2012,19:43)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 30 2012,12:26) If by “God”, you refer to Jehovah, then the answer is yes.  But how do we know Jehovah is the Almighty, Ed? Hi Mike, “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” Is not the most high – “The Almighty”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ed

GOD MADE A NAME FOR HIMSELF SO THAT MEN CAN KNOW HIM AND HIS POWER ,

BECAUSE ALMITHY MEAN THERE IS NO ONE ABOVE ,EVERY THING HIS UNDER THIS NAME JEHOVAH ,THE ALMIGHTY GOD.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 31 2012,11:32)

Yes it is, Ed.  So, we didn't come by this knowledge from the Hebrew word “el” then, right?  We had to be told that Jehovah is the Most High from OTHER scriptures that actually say He's the Most High, right? Why would those scriptures need to be there if the word “el” already MEANS “Most High” in reference to Jehovah?  Why would they need the word “shaddai” if “el” already means “Most High” in reference to Jehovah?

Hi Mike,

There are many ways to say the same thing.  
“happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore
despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:” (Job 5:17)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

So you have no logical answer then? You think that when Jehovah is called “El Shaddai”, it means “Almighty Almighty”?

It's sad when people like you and Gene spit in the face of logic and fact because you don't want to be wrong. There is no evidence that the word “el” means “almighty”, Ed. There is much evidence that it means “mighty one”.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2012,12:23)

So you have no logical answer then?   You think that when Jehovah is called “El Shaddai”, it means “Almighty Almighty”?   It's sad when people like you and Gene spit in the face of logic and fact because you don't want to be wrong.  There is no evidence that the word “el” means “almighty”, Ed.  There is much evidence that it means “mighty one”.

Hi Mike,

First off I didn't say that, but for a moment lets take a look at
the way you would say it:   'the mighty one – almighty'    does this make sense?
You have said you were on milk, so I will give you some solid food then.

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                      ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63)  =  YHVH(63)

(Note: First time God's name is mentioned) Ex 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob,
by the name of “El Shaddai“, but by my name [יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā was I not known to them.

The Children of Israel knew God as “The “Almighty Breasted One“;
he took care of them through the wilderness all the way to the promised land.

And as God said to Moses:  “I will be what I will be“
God was going to reveal himself to them as a correcting Father.

                    YÄ-hä-vā(58)  =  Father(58)

“I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations:
  therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever.” (Psalms 45:17)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2012,12:23)

There is no evidence that the word “el” means “almighty”, Ed.

אֵל EL:
Shortened from 'ayil; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty
(but used also of any deity) — God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.”

[journey42]

Mike

This is where Mike has to sift through what is truth and what is polluted, without going outside the bible.
(Stick inside the scriptures Mike, the devil wants to send you on a wild goose chase to rely on information outside the Word.  The only place you will find truth is in the word)

KJV
Exodus 6:3   And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

THESE SCRIPTURES WITNESS GOD'S WORD IN EXODUS 6:3, THERE IS ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY. MIGHTIEST OF MIGHTIES!
Genesis 17:1   And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Genesis 28:3   And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people;
Genesis 35:11   And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
Genesis 43:14   And God Almighty give you mercy before the man, that he may send away your other brother, and Benjamin. If I be bereaved of my children, I am bereaved.
Genesis 48:3   And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,

 

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The Children of Israel knew God as “The “Almighty Breasted One“;

Can you give scripture to support this Ed? Is it this verse you are referring to?  
If so, this is concerning Jacob blessing his son Joseph, and nothing to do with God's almighty breast!

Genesis 49:25Even by the God of thy father (Jacob), who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:(Joseph will have many children & multiply in Egypt)

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And as God said to Moses:  “I will be what I will be“

Exodus 3:14   And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

How can God become…… what he will be?
God already is, what he is.(since always)
God is from everlasting, he doesn't change to be what he wants to be,
your wording makes God sound like he is not stable, that he can change?
How can he be any more perfect than what he already is?
That sounds more like Satan's title.

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 01 2012,22:01)

Quote The Children of Israel knew God as “The “Almighty Breasted One“; he took care of them through the wilderness all the way to the promised land. Can you give scripture to support this Ed?

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[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 01 2012,22:01)

Quote And as God said to Moses:  “I will be what I will be“ How can God become…… what he will be?

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[Ed J]

Hi Georgie,

As you learn Hebrew, you will understand what YHVH really said.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2012,22:26)

Hi Georgie, As you learn Hebrew, you will understand what YHVH really said. Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

I have no intentions of learning Hebrew. Time is better spent studying the Word, that God already purposed to be translated for us, without all the fuss.

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 01 2012,22:01)

Quote And as God said to Moses:  “I will be what I will be“ Exodus 3:14   And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. How can God become…… what he will be? God already is, what he is.(since always) God is from everlasting, he doesn't change to be what he wants to be, your wording makes God sound like he is not stable, that he can change? How can he be any more perfect than what he already is? That sounds more like Satan's title.

That's because it is.  (Link)

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2012,00:28)

……….lets take a look at the way you would say it:   'the mighty one – almighty'    does this make sense?

“El Shaddai” means “The Almighty mighty one”.  If the word “el”, by itself, means “almighty”, there would be no need to add the “shaddai” part to the title, Ed.

Nor can you say “The Almighty Breasted One”, for then you are giving TWO meanings to the ONE word “shaddai”.

From NETNotes:
The name אֵל שַׁדַּי (’el shadday, “El Shaddai”) has often been translated “God Almighty,” primarily because Jerome translated it omnipotens (“all powerful”) in the Latin Vulgate. There has been much debate over the meaning of the name.

The most likely proposal is that the name means “God, the one of the mountain” (an Akkadian cognate means “mountain,” to which the Hebrew שַׁד, shad, “breast” is probably related). The name may originally have depicted God as the sovereign judge who, in Canaanite style, ruled from a sacred mountain.

The direct association of the name with שָׁדַיִם [shadayim, “breasts”] suggests the name might mean “the one of the breast” , but the juxtaposition is probably better explained as wordplay.  

It is often rendered “Almighty” because of the LXX and some of the early fathers. The etymology and meaning of the word otherwise remains uncertain, in spite of attempts to connect it to “mountains” or “breasts.”

Ed, you can claim it means “God, the One of the breasts”……….. OR …………. you can claim it means “Almighty” like the LXX, Syriac, and Jerome all rendered it. But you can't give BOTH meanings to the ONE word “shaddai”, and come up with “Almighty Breasted One”. It is EITHER “Almighty”, OR “Breasted One” – not BOTH.

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