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Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2012,04:25) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,11:11) Do you disagree?
edjyou have left an open question ,so answer
What are you referring to?What words are playing games? -or-
Angels don't always deliver messages.Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,12:01) Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2012,04:25) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,11:11) Do you disagree?
edjyou have left an open question ,so answer
What are you referring to?What words are playing games? -or-
Angels don't always deliver messages.
edjQuote Hi Mike, If God delivers a message does he become an Angel?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote edj God his God he does not do the delivry
not with having 200 0000000 angels
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Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2012,03:11)
edjwe ,have told you that angel mean MESSENGER and so can apply to both angels of God = messengers of God ,and messengers of the words of God = men
tell did any of the angels of God ever delivered a message to men I mean many so that the message that they deliver has to be written down for future generations ???or was it always to men in particular,
see to me I understand it this way;angels (messengers of God) are send to men with the messages then the man that recieved it becomes now the messenger of God message to men ,and so they are but both messengers (angels)
BUT THE FIRST ONE HIS NOT A MAN HE HIS SPIRIT BEING ONLY THE OTHER HIS MAN.
What are you saying?
Messengers are messengers of God and men are messengers of God?
Men are THE MESSENGERS OF GODS WORDS ,NOT DIRECTLY FROM GOD ,BUT THROUGH AN ANGEL OF GOD ,
Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,11:04) Hi Mike, Why are you playing games with words?
Angels don't always deliver messages.
Ed,There is no word such as “angel” in the scriptures. There are those called “messengers”, which we call angels IF it seems clear from the context that SPIRIT messengers are meant.
Now listen carefully: The words “malak” and “aggelos” MEAN “messenger”. It is only when the messenger is thought to be a spirit being that English translators use the word “angel”. Therefore, when a MESSENGER is thought to be a spirit, he is called an angel.
t8 spoke accurately about you when he said, “Like I said before, your defense for your precious doctrines are found wanting.
And to make up for the lack you shout it out or say it with as much authority as possible.I don't mind if you are wrong and humble. But when you are wrong and then defend your error in any way possible even to the extent as to make the truth suffer, then I will expose such behaviour because it is not becoming of a man of God and such behavour is to be shunned.”
Hi Mike, seems you are denying the other definition here?
מַלְאָך malak: ambassador, angel, king, messenger
ἄγγελος aggelos: angel, messenger.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,
The words mean “messenger”. Sometimes that messenger is a human, who is also a king, or an ambassador. But the words still mean “messenger”.
And sometimes that messenger is a spirit being sent from God, and so we in English call him an angel. But the words still mean “messenger”.
from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically, of God, i.e. an angel
Do you see that the words refer to spirit messengers of God, i.e. an angel? Do you know what “i.e.” means, Ed?
Hi Mike,
The words of men don't concern me.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,13:15) Hi Mike, The words of men don't concern me.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhat a silly answer
Quote Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,05:23) There are two definitions of ἄγγελος aggelos and more for מַלְאָך malak
I have explained “WHY” one definition applies to Angelic beings,
and the other to Humans delivering a message of YHVH. …amazing how the simple gets complicated to someGod bless
Ed Jyou are more concern with it when you are quoting them
Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2012,06:16) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,13:15) Hi Mike, The words of men don't concern me.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhat a silly answer
Quote Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,05:23) There are two definitions of ἄγγελος aggelos and more for מַלְאָך malak
I have explained “WHY” one definition applies to Angelic beings,
and the other to Humans delivering a message of YHVH. …amazing how the simple gets complicated to someGod bless
Ed Jyou are more concern with it when you are quoting them
Right!Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,06:27) Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2012,06:16) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,13:15) Hi Mike, The words of men don't concern me.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhat a silly answer
Quote Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,05:23) There are two definitions of ἄγγελος aggelos and more for מַלְאָך malak
I have explained “WHY” one definition applies to Angelic beings,
and the other to Humans delivering a message of YHVH. …amazing how the simple gets complicated to someGod bless
Ed Jyou are more concern with it when you are quoting them
Right!
The point is: we must be talking about the same thing. …that's where definitions come inQuote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,03:52) The bottom line is: men are not called Angels; T8 says they are in John, but he has
yet to produce the goods.
I'm still waiting to see some evidence of the claim – 'men are called Angels' – so far he has produced next to none.Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,14:41) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,03:52) The bottom line is: men are not called Angels; T8 says they are in John, but he has
yet to produce the goods.
I'm still waiting to see some evidence of the claim – 'men are called Angels' – so far he has produced next to none.
edjyou mean messenger ,right
Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,13:29) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,06:27) Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2012,06:16) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,13:15) Hi Mike, The words of men don't concern me.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhat a silly answer
Quote Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,05:23) There are two definitions of ἄγγελος aggelos and more for מַלְאָך malak
I have explained “WHY” one definition applies to Angelic beings,
and the other to Humans delivering a message of YHVH. …amazing how the simple gets complicated to someGod bless
Ed Jyou are more concern with it when you are quoting them
Right!
The point is: we must be talking about the same thing. …that's where definitions come in
edjtruth does not changes with the reason or implication items or anything for that matter ,all has to be true in truth ,
their is no such a thing of quater truth ,or half truth ,
and if you use rules differently toward others than you use for yourself then you ARE NOT A TRUE PERSON AND SO DO NOT CARE FOR TRUTH IN ANY WAY.
Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,14:41) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,03:52) The bottom line is: men are not called Angels; T8 says they are in John, but he has
yet to produce the goods.
I'm still waiting to see some evidence of the claim – 'men are called Angels' – so far he has produced next to none.
And how about my point? Is a spirit messenger of God called an angel? YES. Is Jesus a spirit messenger of God? YES.Case closed.
Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,15:13) Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2012,07:53) edj you mean messenger ,right
Wrong
edjangel =messenger = aggelos
Quote There are two definitions of ἄγγελος aggelos and more for מַלְאָך malak I have explained “WHY” one definition applies to Angelic beings,
and the other to Humans delivering a message of YHVH. …amazing how the simple gets complicated to someGod bless
Ed JQuote I'm still waiting to see some evidence of the claim – 'men are called Angels' – so far he has produced next to none. are you sure their is none
yes or no remember that angel = messenger or other wise specified
Quote Hi T8, my view is: Men are NOT called Angels (as you are proclaiming), they deliver a message.
While Angelic beings are being described by the Hebrew word מַלְאָך malak.–ed.
And in Hebrew below, but then translated back into English, except for the word in question:
“Men are not called [malak;(angels/messengers)] (as you are proclaiming), they deliver a message.”
Maybe I'm going about this wrong. Maybe I shouldn't be trying to figure out how this would sound to someone who speaks Greek/Hebrew. Ed, I just want you to actually imagine that this whole conversation is taking place in Greek or Hebrew.
Now, what would that be like?
How would the arguments change?
Would there even be any arguments?
Could there be?
Ed, imagine your counterpart in Greece.
Hi David,
Do you believe English is a furtherance of the revelation of God?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgedj
Mal 3:1 “See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty.
now the word messenger is fund below both addressed to men and spirit being ;
1Sa 23:27 a messenger came to Saul, saying, “Come quickly! The Philistines are raiding the land.”
2Sa 11:19 He instructed the messenger: “When you have finished giving the king this account of the battle,
2Sa 11:22 The messenger set out, and when he arrived he told David everything Joab had sent him to say.
2Sa 11:23 The messenger said to David, “The men overpowered us and came out against us in the open, but we drove them back to the entrance to the city gate.
2Sa 11:25 David told the messenger, “Say this to Joab: ‘Don’t let this upset you; the sword devours one as well as another. Press the attack against the city and destroy it.’ Say this to encourage Joab.”2Sa 15:13 A messenger came and told David, “The hearts of the men of Israel are with Absalom.”
1Ki 19:2 So Jezebel sent a messenger to Elijah to say, “May the gods deal with me, be it ever so severely, if by this time tomorrow I do not make your life like that of one of them.”
1Ki 22:13 The messenger who had gone to summon Micaiah said to him, “Look, as one man the other prophets are predicting success for the king. Let your word agree with theirs, and speak favorably.”
2Ki 5:10 Elisha sent a messenger to say to him, “Go, wash yourself seven times in the Jordan, and your flesh will be restored and you will be cleansed.”
2Ki 6:32 Now Elisha was sitting in his house, and the elders were sitting with him. The king sent a messenger ahead, but before he arrived, Elisha said to the elders, “Don’t you see how this murderer is sending someone to cut off my head? Look, when the messenger comes, shut the door and hold it shut against him. Is not the sound of his master’s footsteps behind him?”
2Ki 6:33 While he was still talking to them, the messenger came down to him. And the king said, “This disaster is from the LORD. Why should I wait for the LORD any longer?”
2Ki 9:18 The horseman rode off to meet Jehu and said, “This is what the king says: ‘Do you come in peace?’ ”
“What do you have to do with peace?” Jehu replied. “Fall in behind me.”
The lookout reported, “The messenger has reached them, but he isn’t coming back.”
2Ki 10:8 When the messenger arrived, he told Jehu, “They have brought the heads of the princes.”
Then Jehu ordered, “Put them in two piles at the entrance of the city gate until morning.”
2Ch 18:12 The messenger who had gone to summon Micaiah said to him, “Look, as one man the other prophets are predicting success for the king. Let your word agree with theirs, and speak favorably.”
Job 1:14 a messenger came to Job and said, “The oxen were plowing and the donkeys were grazing nearby,
Job 1:16 While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The fire of God fell from the sky and burned up the sheep and the servants, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”
Job 1:17 While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The Chaldeans formed three raiding parties and swept down on your camels and carried them off. They put the servants to the sword, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”
Job 1:18 While he was still speaking, yet another messenger came and said, “Your sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house,
Pr 13:17 A wicked messenger falls into trouble,
but a trustworthy envoy brings healing.
Pr 16:14 A king’s wrath is a messenger of death,
but a wise man will appease it.
Pr 25:13 Like the coolness of snow at harvest time
is a trustworthy messenger to those who send him;
he refreshes the spirit of his masters.Ecc 5:6 Do not let your mouth lead you into sin. And do not protest to the temple messenger, “My vow was a mistake.” Why should God be angry at what you say and destroy the work of your hands?
Isa 41:27 I was the first to tell Zion, ‘Look, here they are!’
I gave to Jerusalem a messenger of good tidings.
Isa 42:19 Who is blind but my servant,
and deaf like the messenger I send?
Who is blind like the one committed to me,
blind like the servant of the LORD?
Jer 51:31 One courier follows another
and messenger follows messenger
to announce to the king of Babylon
that his entire city is captured,
Da 4:13 “In the visions I saw while lying in my bed, I looked, and there before me was a messenger, a holy one, coming down from heaven.
Da 4:23 “You, O king, saw a messenger, a holy one, coming down from heaven and saying, ‘Cut down the tree and destroy it, but leave the stump, bound with iron and bronze, in the grass of the field, while its roots remain in the ground. Let him be drenched with the dew of heaven; let him live like the wild animals, until seven times pass by for him.’
Hag 1:13 Then Haggai, the LORD'S messenger, gave this message of the LORD to the people: “I am with you,” declares the LORD.
Mal 2:7 “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, and from his mouth men should seek instruction—because he is the messenger of the LORD Almighty.
Mal 3:1 “See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty.
Mt 11:10 This is the one about whom it is written:
“ ‘I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way before you.’
Mk 1:2 It is written in Isaiah the prophet:
“I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way”—
Lk 7:27 This is the one about whom it is written:
“ ‘I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way before you.’
Jn 13:16 I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.
2Co 12:7 To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.
Phil 2:25 But I think it is necessary to send back to you Epaphroditus, my brother, fellow worker and fellow soldier, who is also your messenger, whom you sent to take care of my needs.it is easy to see witch his witch
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