Are angels and spirits seperate creatures?

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  • #799697
    NickHassan
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    Hi GB,

    Rev 4

    “And there were 7 lamps of fire burning before the throne , which are the seven spirits of God.

    What is a lamp?

     

    A lamp is the HOLDER of the fire that gives light

    It is not the fire itself.

     

    The Spirit is the Source not the HOLDER of fire.

     

    Compare Zech 4

     

    #799701
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick and Gene,

    Revelation 3:1Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

    Revelation 4:5Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

    Revelation 5:6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

    #799705
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi kw,

    Rev 1.4

    “..grace to you and peace; from Him Who is, and Who was and Who is to come; and from the seven spirits, who are before His throne; and from Jesus Christ..”

    Rev 1.12

    “And I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands and in the middle of the lampstands one like a son of man..”

    Rev 1.16

    “and in his right hand he held seven stars..”

    Rev 1.20

    “As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands;

    the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches., and the seven lampstands are the seven churches”

    #799706
    kerwin
    Participant

    Gene,

    There is only one Holy Spirit.

    #799709
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick and Gene,

    1 Samuel 16:14Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.

    #799711
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Thank you.

    #799712
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    What version of Scripture did you quote from?

    #799713
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    So lampstands are churches-human.

    They hold the lamps-angelic- which hold the fire-Spirit.

    #799718
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    KJV and nasb.

    Jn12.36

    “While you have the light, believe in the light, in order that you may become sons of light”

    #799721
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    There is more than one identified as the KJV. I use one that claims to be authorized by King James.

    #799723
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    All have faults.

     

    #799724
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    I am aware of that though most are just obstacles to the truth thrown up by those that lacked knowledge of the truth. Sometimes they were even attempting to protect the laity from making mistakes based on lack of knowledge. The KJV use obsolete and archaic language that many assume are religious terms and do not know the actual meaning of them.

    #799725
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    The word is a lamp to the feet.

    But to walk at night we need to become sons of light.

    #799726
    NickHassan
    Participant

     

    HI KW,

    This is what happened to Jesus Christ on the mountain.

    Lk 11.36

    “If therefore your whole body is full of light, with no dark part in it, it will be wholly illumined, as when the lamp illumines you with its rays.”

     

    There was no darkness in him

    #799771
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick and kerwin….If you understood what the seven lamps burning is, then you would know that they are seven destinct spirits of and from God, that gives specific INTELECTIAL LIGHTS THAT FORM GOD’S (intense judgements) they give the FATHER AND JESUS their spritual judgements, ie light., THEY ACT LIKE THEIR EYES THAT THEY JUDGES ALL THINGS WITH, THEY ARE called eyes in a “SYMBOLIC” sense. Revelations is a symbolic written book and it must be symbolically translated.

    Why can’t you people understand that, it not difficult for any who has the true spirit of GOD TO UNDERSTAND. IMO

    Fires……intense judgements

    Lights…..intellectual awareness of the mind

    Eyes…….intellectual perceptions of the mind

    Horns ……powers

    If you don’t understand theses things you have not a clue what the seven spirits of GOD IS. IMO

    KERWIN, YES THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE ONE SPIRIT “OF” TRUTH, WHICH WAS SET ASIDE, AN IS NOW AVALIBLE TO ALL TRUE CHOSEN ONES OF GOD THE FATHER. I HAVE NEVER SAID THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS NOT ONE OF THE SEVEN SPIRITS.

    peace and love to you and yours. ………………..gene

    #799772
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    Those are largely your ideas.

    The word INTELLECT is not even found in scripture.

    Surely you should found your teachings on what is revealed from above instead of carnal ideas?

    #799775
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    Surely if you feared the Lord you would ensure that your teachings are based on His?

    You seem to be competing with Him offering your own ideas.

     

    #799954
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick……It is from above, your just to blind to see it, if you believe GODS SPIRIT DOES NOT GIVE US HIS INTELLECT INORDER FOR US TO SEE THINGS AS HE DOES, THEN YOU SIMPLY ARE BLIND, TO THE TRUTH OF GODS WORDS.

    Anyone who believes angels are spirits, and there are not seven spirits of GOD, HAS NO RIGHT TO CRITICIZE ANYONE about what is written in scriptures, IMO

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene

    #799970
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    Then show us from scripture about this vital INTELLECT you revere.

    heb 1.14

    #800062
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick….FIRST OF ALL I DO NOT REVER intellect, as you again falsely assume, and obvisely the “word” i telle t does not appear in scripture seening it didnocome into existence until the 1400 ‘s but what it means is exactly what spirit does to our mind, it gives us it’s intellects with what it supplies and each spirit has it own destibct type and kind of intellect it transmits go our minds. Nothing to rever about that it is just a fact of what spirits do. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME IF YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND THAT.

    But one thing i know for sure, angles are not spirits as you falsely assume and perhaps even REVER YOURSELF. INFACT YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN SAID WHAT SPIRITS ARE TO YOU , OUTSIDE OF BEING ANGELS, THAT I RECALL.

    peace and love to you and yours. …………..gene

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