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Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2011,14:54) Even that faith in his own intellect leads him to the most foolish of conclusions, that nothing caused everything.
There was a Big Bang and the universe unraveled.0 became 1 then 2 and so on.
Magic.
Show me the math Stu.
I just want to see a demonstration on how zero can become another number without using another number.
Or even an explanation on how nothing can become something.Still waiting…..until then, it is religious platitude.
It's pretty obvious that you have run out of false analogies when you begin quoting the political catch-phrases of the recent election campaign.Stuart
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 28 2011,02:59) Read your own post to see what I mean. You have FAITH in the senses and intellects of human beings. That FAITH in the abilities of these things you KNOW are flawed cause you to come to your “provisional truth”.
Read Hebrews then get back to me on whether faith is the evidence of the seen or the unseen.It could be that you are using the word faith to describe existentialist assumptions about our existence and the appearance of the world around us. I would eliminate those if I could, but I concede that I cannot prove I exist, and I cannot prove that everything is not an illusion, so I am stuck with those as working assumptions.
But if those are articles of faith which I would get rid of if I could, then do I hear you saying the same about your articles of faith? Are they things that you are “stuck with”, that you would dispose of at the first opportunity?
No, of course you wouldn’t. It is mindless to use the word faith to compare them. Your scripture tells you as much.
Quote I don't rely that heavily on the flawed human brain. I rely on the unflawed Creator of all things.
You mean the unflawed creator that gave us all an appendix for an internal timebomb, a prostate gland positioned perfectly to cut off the urethra, and a plantaris muscle that is not even present in 9% of the population? The creator that couldn’t think of a better arrangement for the larynx than one that has to put humans at greater risk of choking in order to have the power of speech? The same unflawed creator that gave upright-walking humans a back that is half-adapted for tree-dwelling and knuckle walking?Read more about this supposed “unflawed creator” here:
http://www.freewebs.com/oolon/SMOGGM.htm
Quote I believe it was Aurthor Clarke who said that if our universe was expanding even one millionth of a millionth part faster, it would have dispersed by now. One millionth of a millionth part slower, and it would have collapsed on itself by now. To me, that is an amazing feat of my God. To you – it's just one of a long list of “flukes” that caused life to be as we know it.
It is still true that the universe will disperse eventually. Some creation, eh. Very brave of you to mention it though.I think Arthur is spelled “Arthur”.
Quote It's just that mine is in a Creator much greater than us. Yours is in human beings, who you for some reason feel are on the top rung of the intelligence ladder. 
It is a fact that humans are on top of the intelligence ladder, well some humans anyway. You have nothing to say that contradicts that fact, although if you had something to say about the relative intelligence of cetaceans I would certainly consider that possibility.It is touching that you so much want to have me viewing the world using the same epistemological words as you, but we are worlds apart. I cannot agree with someone who claims to have an infallible answer.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 28 2011,00:53) It is a fact that humans are on top of the intelligence ladder…………. 
Have it your way, Stu. Just don't forget that it was you who recently said, “We don't know how life started”.Don't you suppose that SOMEBODY does?
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 28 2011,17:32) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2011,14:54) Even that faith in his own intellect leads him to the most foolish of conclusions, that nothing caused everything.
There was a Big Bang and the universe unraveled.0 became 1 then 2 and so on.
Magic.
Show me the math Stu.
I just want to see a demonstration on how zero can become another number without using another number.
Or even an explanation on how nothing can become something.Still waiting…..until then, it is religious platitude.
It's pretty obvious that you have run out of false analogies when you begin quoting the political catch-phrases of the recent election campaign.Stuart
Not correct.You are stumped and it is good to remind you that you need to answer this before you can make any claims about something coming from nothing or some kind of something that is for some reason lacking in the very qualities it produced.
I believe that God created the universe. I have a cause. You do not. You have nothing.
You really don't have the right to proceed until you can answer this.
Until then, you are stuck here whether you like it or not.And I am not interested in pretending that you have a vaild argument because you do not.
I am not into pretending like you.
The gaping hole in your argument is way too big to just forget about it.Let's be real. You have no clue. Admit it and move on.
That would be more honourable than trying to baffle people with bull or arguing over smaller details and fine print when you have foolishness for a foundation.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 29 2011,10:47) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 28 2011,00:53) It is a fact that humans are on top of the intelligence ladder…………. Have it your way, Stu. Just don't forget that it was you who recently said, “We don't know how life started”.Don't you suppose that SOMEBODY does?
Hey if he doesn't know then no one else could possibly know.
Isn't that right Stu?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 29 2011,10:47) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 28 2011,00:53) It is a fact that humans are on top of the intelligence ladder…………. Have it your way, Stu. Just don't forget that it was you who recently said, “We don't know how life started”.Don't you suppose that SOMEBODY does?
…cue the theme music for Unexplained Mysteries and Practical Jokes…It is only the unintelligent that could claim goddidit then completely fail to say anything more than that platitude.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 29 2011,11:09) Not correct. Quote You are stumped
Are you the wicketkeeper?Quote and it is good to remind you that you need to answer this before you can make any claims about something coming from nothing or some kind of something that is for some reason lacking in the very qualities it produced.
What, that zero can be transformed into other numbers? That is a prerequisite to explaining something unrelated? We have been through this. I have explained how matter and energy came into existence, and why there is no such thing as “before” the big bang. I can’t help it if you don’t understand any of that. However it is not to your credit that you carry on pretending I did not explain that in detail.Quote I believe that God created the universe. I have a cause. You do not. You have nothing… Let's be real. You have no clue. Admit it and move on.
That would be more honourable than trying to baffle people with bull or arguing over smaller details and fine print when you have foolishness for a foundation.
What do you mean by “god”? What do you mean by “nothing”?You don’t have a cause, you have a three-letter word, and that is all you have.
Would you like me to explain again how matter and energy came into existence? This would be the fourth time, counting off the top of my head.
You asked the first time, and before that the number of times I had explained it was zero. Then, after that initial attempt at explanation, the number was 1. Then you carried on in the same manner, defying the concept that intelligence is the ability to learn from your mistakes, and it was explained a second time, 2. I’m not sure why I persisted the third time, 3. But here I am again, giving you the chance at 4.
Stuart
stu
Quote You don’t have a cause, you have a three-letter word, and that is all you have. we by far better then ,because you only have a ?
Pierre
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 28 2011,17:53)
…and a plantaris muscle that is not even present in 9% of the population?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Would you consider those without a plantaris muscle a product of evolution?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Nov. 29 2011,17:21) Are you the wicketkeeper?
Not the wicket keeper, I am the bowler who got you out for a golden duck.
That is why I haven't bothered with continuing the game until you can walk off the field and wait for your next innings.
The next innings by the way is when you can explain how everything got here. Otherwise you are not in the game.
Unfortunately, you can't see that you were bowled and have remained in the field and the crowd is wondering why you think you are still in the game.Let's repeat the status of the game.
You have been bowled. HOWZAT!
Do you need to see a slow motion replay?If you want to remain in the game, then show the evidence why you haven't been bowled for a duck.
Even a logical argument of some kind. Anything. Please.
But no, you give us magic instead.You say you have explained how matter and energy came into existence.
Here it is. There was nothing and then something.
Or gravity has always existed and from gravity came everything.And here is how that sounds if you were explaining how to pull a rabbit out of a hat.
There is no rabbit, and then you pull one out of a hat.
Or, the rabbit has always existed and I then pulled one of them out of a hat.Sounds like a Tui ad to me Stu. Yeah Right.
I will give you another chance at the crease.
I have already given you a lot of chances for you to demonstrate a viable option.
Don't blow it again.Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 30 2011,04:36) stu Quote You don’t have a cause, you have a three-letter word, and that is all you have. we by far better then ,because you only have a ?
Pierre
That is more honest.Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 30 2011,06:37) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 29 2011,17:21) Are you the wicketkeeper?
Not the wicket keeper, I am the bowler who got you out for a golden duck.
That is why I haven't bothered with continuing the game until you can walk off the field and wait for your next innings.
The next innings by the way is when you can explain how everything got here. Otherwise you are not in the game.
Unfortunately, you can't see that you were bowled and have remained in the field and the crowd is wondering why you think you are still in the game.Let's repeat the status of the game.
You have been bowled. HOWZAT!
Do you need to see a slow motion replay?If you want to remain in the game, then show the evidence why you haven't been bowled for a duck.
Even a logical argument of some kind. Anything. Please.
But no, you give us magic instead.You say you have explained how matter and energy came into existence.
Here it is. There was nothing and then something.
Or gravity has always existed and from gravity came everything.And here is how that sounds if you were explaining how to pull a rabbit out of a hat.
There is no rabbit, and then you pull one out of a hat.
Or, the rabbit has always existed and I then pulled one of them out of a hat.Sounds like a Tui ad to me Stu. Yeah Right.
I will give you another chance at the crease.
I have already given you a lot of chances for you to demonstrate a viable option.
Don't blow it again.
I don't really feel the need to explain anything to you. It makes no difference to the reality of it how many times I explain it. You did modify your claims about evolution somewhat, but I don't think you will modify your nonsense rhymes regarding the origins of the cosmos, because I don't think you have the capacity to understand it.Hence the attempts to understand via analogy, but analogies don't cut it when discussing big bang cosmology. The expansion of space-time is like nothing we know commonly, and neither is the appearance of matter and energy as space-time expands, a loan of gravitational energy from the expansion.
Perhaps the best analogy would be to ask what colour irony is.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 30 2011,18:17) It makes no difference to the reality of it how many times I explain it. You did modify your claims about evolution somewhat, but I don't think you will modify your nonsense rhymes regarding the origins of the cosmos, because I don't think you have the capacity to understand it.
Stu, in one sentence what is the origin of the cosmos according to the gospel of Stu?You can answer, “no origin” or just name the origin.
Looking forward to your view point with much anticipation.
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 30 2011,18:17) Perhaps the best analogy would be to ask what colour irony is.
Something that is made of iron.e.g., that coat of armour is very irony.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 12 2011,09:57) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 30 2011,18:17) It makes no difference to the reality of it how many times I explain it. You did modify your claims about evolution somewhat, but I don't think you will modify your nonsense rhymes regarding the origins of the cosmos, because I don't think you have the capacity to understand it.
Stu, in one sentence what is the origin of the cosmos according to the gospel of Stu?You can answer, “no origin” or just name the origin.
Looking forward to your view point with much anticipation.
Are the ratings in need of a boost t8?Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 12 2011,09:58) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 30 2011,18:17) Perhaps the best analogy would be to ask what colour irony is.
Something that is made of iron.e.g., that coat of armour is very irony.
So the irony is that iron is whatever colour it is reflecting.I didn't anticipate how well my analogy would work.
Would you like me to tell you what it feels like to make a fitting analogy?
Stuart
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