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WoprshippingJesus said to Mikeboll:
Quote Mike says there is only one God, yet he says Jesus is “a god”, yet he is not his god, which means to Mike Jesus is not “a god” at all, I think! If he is “a god” then who's god is he?
Yes WJ. Mike's views do make a person dizzy don't they?
thinker
Hi Kathi,
You said:
Quote Isa 51:9-11
9 Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord; Awake as in the days of old, the generations of long ago. Was it not You who cut Rahab in pieces, Who pierced the dragon?
10 Was it not You who dried up the sea, The waters of the great deep; Who made the depths of the sea a pathway For the redeemed to cross over?
11 So the ransomed of the Lord will return And come with joyful shouting to Zion, And everlasting joy will be on their heads. They will obtain gladness and joy, And sorrow and sighing will flee away.
NASUI suggest that the Arm of the Lord was the Son. Moses wasn't involved with all of the above, was he?
Yes, Moses was directly involved. That's what my previous post was all about. Moses parted the Red Sea. Moses defeated the Egyptians (Rahab). Of course, God did it through Moses, but Moses was the outstretched arm in these cases. I'm finding more as I read. Jer 21 says,
5 I myself will fight against you with an outstretched hand and a mighty arm in anger and fury and great wrath. 6 I will strike down those who live in this city—both men and animals—and they will die of a terrible plague. 7 After that, declares the LORD, I will hand over Zedekiah king of Judah, his officials and the people in this city who survive the plague, sword and famine, to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon and to their enemies who seek their lives. He will put them to the sword; he will show them no mercy or pity or compassion.'
Which of these things was “Jehovah the Son”? The plague? The sword? The famine? King Nebuchadnezzar? All of the above? Because all of these things were Jehovah's arm manifested. Do you notice the first words, “I myself will fight against you”?
You and Kangaroo Jack
think Jesus is the one who led the Israelites out of Egypt. Jer 23 says,. 3 “And I myself shall collect together the remnant of my sheep out of all the lands to which I had dispersed them, and I will bring them back to their pasture ground, and they will certainly be fruitful and become many. 4 And I will raise up over them shepherds who will actually shepherd them; and they will be afraid no more, neither will they be struck with any terror, and none will be missing,” is the utterance of Jehovah.
This is Jehovah foretelling about the shepherd Jesus AND other shepherds, most likely Peter and the others, based on what Jesus told Peter about tending the flock. Notice the “none will be missing”? Compare that with Jesus' words, “I have lost none of those you gave me…”.
It continues,
5 “Look! There are days coming,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will certainly reign and act with discretion and execute justice and righteousness in the land. 6 In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel itself will reside in security. And this is his name with which he will be called, Jehovah Is Our Righteousness.”This again, is clearly still Jehovah foretelling about Jesus. It continues,
7 “Therefore, look! there are days coming,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and they will no more say, ‘Jehovah is alive who brought the sons of Israel up out of the land of Egypt,’ 8 but, ‘Jehovah is alive who brought up and who brought in the offspring of the house of Israel out of the land of the north and out of all the lands to which I have dispersed them,’ and they will certainly dwell on their own ground.”
Still Jehovah the Father talking, NOT “Jehovah the Son”. Jehovah Almighty is the one who brought the Israelites out of Egypt. It was not “Jehovah the messenger of Himself”, nor “Jehovah the Son”, but the only Jehovah – our heavenly Father.
You said:
Quote I believe that my understanding of Him is greater than what your understanding is. Ouch! Just because you want to raise him to a “greater” position than the Word of God teaches doesn't mean your understanding of him is “greater”. It actually means quite the contrary, IMO.
You said:
Quote If you were to decide which commandment you thought about Jesus being in, would you think of Him as Lord or as your neighbor? I would think of him as the Scriptures teach, Lord of lords and King of kings. I would not, however, think of him as LORD (YHWH), because he is not, and has never been. Will you have a problem calling the apostles “my lord” when they reign with Jesus, or will they only be like “neighbors” to you? It isn't a fair question, because Jesus falls somewhere in between. But if I absolutley HAD to answer, I'd say closer to the neighbor, for Jesus taught that whatever little thing we did for another on earth, (a drink, something to eat, a coat to wear, etc.) we also did that for him.
I know you said you will get to the other Scriptures I posted later, but check out the ones in Job. Unless humans have “tiny little Jehovah Juniors” acting for them, arm means one's might, power, or ability to bring a task to completion.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 19 2010,09:31) Hi TT,
The man in the tombs spoke with Jesus.
Was his name LEGION?
Hi Nick,Excellent point! Each time you asked, did you notice Kangaroo Jack hopping farther and farther away?
I almost wish I knew how to do those jumpy little cheerleader graphics he does for WJ – I'd put one here. 
Hey thinker, I thought kangaroos were supposed to be good boxers. Put on your gloves and answer Nick's question. Stand and fight, man.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (thethinker @ May 19 2010,18:17) WoprshippingJesus said to Mikeboll: Quote Mike says there is only one God, yet he says Jesus is “a god”, yet he is not his god, which means to Mike Jesus is not “a god” at all, I think! If he is “a god” then who's god is he?
Yes WJ. Mike's views do make a person dizzy don't they?thinker
Hi WJ and Thinker,Paul seemed to understand this clearly. I wonder why it is so hard for you guys. There are many gods, but for us there is only one God. Is it really that hard?
peace and love,
mikeps
Who is that one God? The Son? The Holy Spirit? A combo of three persons?
Oh, that's right. It's the FATHER.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2010,19:11) Hi Kathi, You said:
Quote Isa 51:9-11
9 Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord; Awake as in the days of old, the generations of long ago. Was it not You who cut Rahab in pieces, Who pierced the dragon?
10 Was it not You who dried up the sea, The waters of the great deep; Who made the depths of the sea a pathway For the redeemed to cross over?
11 So the ransomed of the Lord will return And come with joyful shouting to Zion, And everlasting joy will be on their heads. They will obtain gladness and joy, And sorrow and sighing will flee away.
NASUI suggest that the Arm of the Lord was the Son. Moses wasn't involved with all of the above, was he?
Yes, Moses was directly involved. That's what my previous post was all about. Moses parted the Red Sea. Moses defeated the Egyptians (Rahab). Of course, God did it through Moses, but Moses was the outstretched arm in these cases. I'm finding more as I read. Jer 21 says,
5 I myself will fight against you with an outstretched hand and a mighty arm in anger and fury and great wrath. 6 I will strike down those who live in this city—both men and animals—and they will die of a terrible plague. 7 After that, declares the LORD, I will hand over Zedekiah king of Judah, his officials and the people in this city who survive the plague, sword and famine, to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon and to their enemies who seek their lives. He will put them to the sword; he will show them no mercy or pity or compassion.'
Which of these things was “Jehovah the Son”? The plague? The sword? The famine? King Nebuchadnezzar? All of the above? Because all of these things were Jehovah's arm manifested. Do you notice the first words, “I myself will fight against you”?
You and Kangaroo Jack
think Jesus is the one who led the Israelites out of Egypt. Jer 23 says,. 3 “And I myself shall collect together the remnant of my sheep out of all the lands to which I had dispersed them, and I will bring them back to their pasture ground, and they will certainly be fruitful and become many. 4 And I will raise up over them shepherds who will actually shepherd them; and they will be afraid no more, neither will they be struck with any terror, and none will be missing,” is the utterance of Jehovah.
This is Jehovah foretelling about the shepherd Jesus AND other shepherds, most likely Peter and the others, based on what Jesus told Peter about tending the flock. Notice the “none will be missing”? Compare that with Jesus' words, “I have lost none of those you gave me…”.
It continues,
5 “Look! There are days coming,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will certainly reign and act with discretion and execute justice and righteousness in the land. 6 In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel itself will reside in security. And this is his name with which he will be called, Jehovah Is Our Righteousness.”This again, is clearly still Jehovah foretelling about Jesus. It continues,
7 “Therefore, look! there are days coming,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and they will no more say, ‘Jehovah is alive who brought the sons of Israel up out of the land of Egypt,’ 8 but, ‘Jehovah is alive who brought up and who brought in the offspring of the house of Israel out of the land of the north and out of all the lands to which I have dispersed them,’ and they will certainly dwell on their own ground.”
Still Jehovah the Father talking, NOT “Jehovah the Son”. Jehovah Almighty is the one who brought the Israelites out of Egypt. It was not “Jehovah the messenger of Himself”, nor “Jehovah the Son”, but the only Jehovah – our heavenly Father.
You said:
Quote I believe that my understanding of Him is greater than what your understanding is. Ouch! Just because you want to raise him to a “greater” position than the Word of God teaches doesn't mean your understanding of him is “greater”. It actually means quite the contrary, IMO.
You said:
Quote If you were to decide which commandment you thought about Jesus being in, would you think of Him as Lord or as your neighbor? I would think of him as the Scriptures teach, Lord of lords and King of kings. I would not, however, think of him as LORD (YHWH), because he is not, and has never been. Will you have a problem calling the apostles “my lord” when they reign with Jesus, or will they only be like “neighbors” to you? It isn't a fair question, because Jesus falls somewhere in between. But if I absolutley HAD to answer, I'd say closer to the neighbor, for Jesus taught that whatever little thing we did for another on earth, (a drink, something to eat, a coat to wear, etc.) we also did that for him.
I know you said you will get to the other Scriptures I posted later, but check out the ones in Job. Unless humans have “tiny little Jehovah Juniors” acting for them, arm means one's might, power, or ability to bring a task to completion.
peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,you say:
Quote Yes, Moses was directly involved. That's what my previous post was all about. Moses parted the Red Sea. Moses defeated the Egyptians (Rahab). Of course, God did it through Moses, but Moses was the outstretched arm in these cases. I looked up each of those references that you put up and found this one which tells us that Moses was not considered the Arm of God. Read this:
Isa 63:11-14
11 Then His people remembered the days of old, of Moses. Where is He who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit in the midst of them,
12 Who caused His glorious arm to go at the right hand of Moses, Who divided the waters before them to make for Himself an everlasting name,
13 Who led them through the depths? Like the horse in the wilderness, they did not stumble;
14 As the cattle which go down into the valley, The Spirit of the Lord gave them rest. So You led Your people, To make for Yourself a glorious name.
NASUThat should clear up the idea that Moses was the Arm of the Lord, don't you think?
More later…btw, thanks for those references. K
Hi Kathi,
Okay, good one. I was only trying to prove that the arm is nothing more than the manifestation of God's might. You have already found that out about Cyrus. Did you figure out if Jesus was the plague, sword or famine yet? All of these represented God's might, or His arm.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2010,21:30) Hi Kathi, Okay, good one. I was only trying to prove that the arm is nothing more than the manifestation of God's might. You have already found that out about Cyrus. Did you figure out if Jesus was the plague, sword or famine yet? All of these represented God's might, or His arm.
peace and love,
mike
Mike,
Great, we are getting somewhere. Moses was not the Arm. Plagues, swords or famines are not the Arm either but merely the tools or causes the Arm can use or bring about.Mike,
You said:Quote You and Kangaroo Jack think Jesus is the one who led the Israelites out of Egypt. Jer 23 says, . 3 “And I myself shall collect together the remnant of my sheep out of all the lands to which I had dispersed them, and I will bring them back to their pasture ground, and they will certainly be fruitful and become many. 4 And I will raise up over them shepherds who will actually shepherd them; and they will be afraid no more, neither will they be struck with any terror, and none will be missing,” is the utterance of Jehovah.
This is Jehovah foretelling about the shepherd Jesus AND other shepherds, most likely Peter and the others, based on what Jesus told Peter about tending the flock. Notice the “none will be missing”? Compare that with Jesus' words, “I have lost none of those you gave me…”.
It continues,
5 “Look! There are days coming,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will certainly reign and act with discretion and execute justice and righteousness in the land. 6 In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel itself will reside in security. And this is his name with which he will be called, Jehovah Is Our Righteousness.”This again, is clearly still Jehovah foretelling about Jesus. It continues,
7 “Therefore, look! there are days coming,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and they will no more say, ‘Jehovah is alive who brought the sons of Israel up out of the land of Egypt,’ 8 but, ‘Jehovah is alive who brought up and who brought in the offspring of the house of Israel out of the land of the north and out of all the lands to which I have dispersed them,’ and they will certainly dwell on their own ground.”
Still Jehovah the Father talking, NOT “Jehovah the Son”. Jehovah Almighty is the one who brought the Israelites out of Egypt. It was not “Jehovah the messenger of Himself”, nor “Jehovah the Son”, but the only Jehovah – our heavenly Father.
I understand that the Jehovah that brought the Israelites out of Egypt was the Father. I am suggesting though, that His Arm was another person, the Son, when He was the root of David and before He became the offspring of David.
The identity of the Son was a mystery, hidden by the Father. The Son was not revealed till the NT.
Do you honestly think that the Son was used to create everything in heaven and on earth and then just hung out in heaven till it was time for Him to come in the flesh? I think that He was at His Father's side throughout the OT helping serve His Father.
Hi Kathi,
I thought you said you were satisfied that Cyrus was the arm in one case. Maybe I misunderstood?
The arm is the might, not another person or being.
I don't think Jesus just hung out after creation either. But I don't think he was his Father's “errand boy”. There were many other servants around for the “hands on” stuff. I picture Jesus in more of a “white collar” position, not as one who had to get his hands dirty. Paul made a big deal of him being in the form of God and humbly coming in the form of a servant for us. What you imply is that Jesus was used to lowering himself to a man to do the busy work of his Father.
Now who is the one who holds Jesus in the higher position?
The worm has turned. 
Just kidding.peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2010,19:11) You said: Quote I believe that my understanding of Him is greater than what your understanding is. Ouch! Just because you want to raise him to a “greater” position than the Word of God teaches doesn't mean your understanding of him is “greater”. It actually means quite the contrary, IMO.
You said:
Quote If you were to decide which commandment you thought about Jesus being in, would you think of Him as Lord or as your neighbor? I would think of him as the Scriptures teach, Lord of lords and King of kings. I would not, however, think of him as LORD (YHWH), because he is not, and has never been. Will you have a problem calling the apostles “my lord” when they reign with Jesus, or will they only be like “neighbors” to you? It isn't a fair question, because Jesus falls somewhere in between. But if I absolutley HAD to answer, I'd say closer to the neighbor, for Jesus taught that whatever little thing we did for another on earth, (a drink, something to eat, a coat to wear, etc.) we also did that for him.
I know you said you will get to the other Scriptures I posted later, but check out the ones in Job. Unless humans have “tiny little Jehovah Juniors” acting for them, arm means one's might, power, or ability to bring a task to completion.
peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,
After reading what I wrote I can see how what I said about my understanding vs. your understanding could sound incredibly boastful but that is not how I meant that. I just meant that my understanding of Christ places Christ on a higher level than you seem to place Him.For instance, I don't believe that Jesus taught that He was our neighbor. He told us to believe in Him. If we believe in our neighbor as our Lord and Savior wouldn't that seem like idolatry to you?
John 14:1
14 “Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.
NASUIf Jesus is the Lord of Glory you think He is merely your neighbor?
1 Cor 2:8
…for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;
NASUDo you realize that Jesus as the Lord of glory was revealed by the Spirit and not by Jesus, Himself? It is the Spirit that reveals who Jesus is and not necessarily Jesus. Jesus revealed the Father.
1 Cor 2:8-10
8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;
9 but just as it is written, “THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.”
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
NASUAlso, you claim that the only Jehovah is the Heavenly Father. Have you considered Zechariah 14?
Have fun with this
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2010,22:20) Hi Kathi, I thought you said you were satisfied that Cyrus was the arm in one case. Maybe I misunderstood?
The arm is the might, not another person or being.
I don't think Jesus just hung out after creation either. But I don't think he was his Father's “errand boy”. There were many other servants around for the “hands on” stuff. I picture Jesus in more of a “white collar” position, not as one who had to get his hands dirty. Paul made a big deal of him being in the form of God and humbly coming in the form of a servant for us. What you imply is that Jesus was used to lowering himself to a man to do the busy work of his Father.
Now who is the one who holds Jesus in the higher position?
The worm has turned. Just kidding.peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,
I did think that it might be possible that Cyrus was mentioned as being the Arm of God in scripture for the situation with Babylon, and Cyrus is a person. The Arm can be a person and I suggest that the Arm is often the Son who is acting at the side of the Father as His Father's right hand 'man' although in the OT He was not a man, you get the idea, right?You see the Son as a sort of “white collared worker,” in the OT,cute. Well, I do think that the work the Son did for His Father was a higher work than that of the angels or people. I do see the Son as always being a servant to the Father, even as the God at His Father's side.
Picture the captain and co-captain of a passenger jet. The pilot would be the Father, the co-pilot would be the Son-the pilot's actual son. The stewards and stewardesses are as the angels and the first and second class passengers as mankind. Half way into the flight the pilot asks the co-pilot to lower Himself to become a second class passenger and if need be, to be the one that goes without the floatation device or parachute if they are one short in order to save the passengers. In either position, the son is serving his father, the head pilot.
Ok, enough analogy. BTW, the co-pilot acts as the pilot's right hand man, or his arm. Also, the co-pilot, when he becomes the second class passenger is still 100% co-pilot even while he is 100% passenger. Like the Son is 100% God and 100% man at the same time.
Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2010,15:40) The Arm can be a person and I suggest that the Arm is often the Son who is acting at the side of the Father as His Father's right hand 'man' although in the OT He was not a man, you get the idea, right?
Hi Kathi,We are in agreement again!
Oh happy day! I agree that the Son is the arm, or manifested power of Jehovah in at least one instance – when Jehovah sent him as the one through whom He would save mankind.
I was under the impression that you thought Jesus was the arm “always and forever”.
Show me where Jesus is Jehovah in Zech.
More later, it's late and my heart has been broken by a Kangaroo.
peace and love,
mikeMike,
Just goes to show ya, never give your heart away to a kangarooYou can see my Zech 14 post in Echad and Eloyhim thread.
As far as the Arm as the person of the Son of God goes, I believe that He was the Arm in the creation and the people understood that the Lord God and His Arm as one and alone. That is how the Lord God portrayed Himself…as one and alone even though the Outstretched Arm in creation was the person of the Son of God.
In the NT the Arm was revealed to be the Son of God, no longer a hidden mystery.
Hi Kathi,
Thanks for your condolences about my lost Kangaroo.
Maybe he'll love me again tomorrow.You have said:
Quote I did think that it might be possible that Cyrus was mentioned as being the Arm of God in scripture for the situation with Babylon, and Cyrus is a person. The Arm can be a person and I suggest that the Arm is often the Son who is acting at the side of the Father as His Father's right hand 'man' although in the OT He was not a man, you get the idea, right? But now you say:
Quote As far as the Arm as the person of the Son of God goes, I believe that He was the Arm in the creation and the people understood that the Lord God and His Arm as one and alone. That is how the Lord God portrayed Himself…as one and alone even though the Outstretched Arm in creation was the person of the Son of God. Your first quote is what I believe, almost. The arm is God's might. In the Hebrew culture, the arm of a man was the man's might or ability to accomplish something.
God's arm, or might has been manifested in the form of thunder, hail, earthquakes, plagues, people, angels, and Jesus – just to name a few.
Because Jesus was how the might of God was manifested as a savior of the world does not mean he was EVER the arm before. He could have been, but it is not for certain. Even in the creation we know that Jesus played a part, but God's might is what created the heavens, earth and everything in them. In other words, Jehovah could have easily created everything without His Son, if He chose to. After all, it was Jehovah's power that ultimately did this, right?
What you believe is that Jesus was God before he came to earth, and that people worshipped and praised him without even knowing it. Yet these same people who didn't know God was 2 persons are the ones who wrote the Scriptures you use to explain how God was 2 persons.
You say that they wrote what God inspired. Okay. But 100 years later, or even later that same day, weren't they able to read what they wrote by the finger of God and think, “Who is this other Jehovah? We know that no one can see God, but here is someone talking face to face with Him on earth. How can this be? Are there 2 Jehovahs?”
Do you see what I mean? Even before the NT, where Jesus is explained to be the manifestation of God's might in only one instance, the OT was read daily for hundreds of years. Why is it that no one had figured out what you did about Jehovah Jr?
peace and love,
mikeMike,
If God intended to keep the mystery of His Son a mystery until He was ready to reveal it, He did a good job…didn't He?Many people now see the person of the Son as being called Jehovah as well as the person of the Most High God, the Father as being called Jehovah. It is not just me. That mystery of Christ has been revealed to those who have ears to hear and eyes to see by the Spirit of God. The Son is like no one else. He is the root of David and the offspring of David…that's truly a unique being.
We have looked at the many instances where people worshiped Christ, and you have chosen 'gave obeisance.' And those times where I read that people worshiped Him happened after Christ did something supernatural like, healed the blind, walked on water, raised up from the dead, etc.
We have looked at the many instances that He is referred to as God and you equal this to being god as satan is god of this world. His apostles have called Him Lord over and over and God at times, also Savior many times, yet you only see Him as your neighbor lord and not really your Heavenly Lord and Savior. He is the one that gives eternal life. How many neighbor lords can do that?
You think it is not correct that the Father could give the Son His own name, yet how many sons can you think of with the same name as their father?
Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2010,12:54) Mike,
If God intended to keep the mystery of His Son a mystery until He was ready to reveal it, He did a good job…didn't He?Many people now see the person of the Son as being called Jehovah as well as the person of the Most High God, the Father as being called Jehovah. It is not just me. That mystery of Christ has been revealed to those who have ears to hear and eyes to see by the Spirit of God.
Hi Kathi,
Now you have taken the final step in trinitarianism 101. If all else fails, and you can't Scripturally back up your beliefs, claim a “deeper understanding that must be revealed to you by the Holy Spirit”. Congratulations – you've graduated to their level.
How in the world can you claim your eyes and ears are more open than mine just because the way you want it to be is not in the Scriptures?
You said:
Quote We have looked at the many instances where people worshiped Christ, and you have chosen 'gave obeisance.' And those times where I read that people worshiped Him happened after Christ did something supernatural like, healed the blind, walked on water, raised up from the dead, etc. And I've pointed out that on one occasion the Pharisees were right there when the formally blind man “worshipped” Jesus. Wouldn't they have said anything if it was “worship” and not “doing obeisance”? Let's take it to the next step. Of all of those that ever “worshipped” Jesus, let's look to what they wrote in the NT and see if they thought he was God and therefore were worshipping him as God.
You said:
Quote We have looked at the many instances that He is referred to as God and you equal this to being god as satan is god of this world. Thank you for understanding what I meant by that, even if you don't agree.
Since there was no capital “g's” in the Greek, you cannot say for sure that he was ever referred to as God. But we know for sure he was at least referred to as “god”. So was Satan. So were angels. So were men.Let's get down to it here. If Jesus and Paul say there is only one true God, and that is the Father, then Jesus is either not God or he is the Father. Which is it? If he is the Father, we have a major problem with Scripture, so I doubt anyone believes that. If he is another God, as you say, you have just as big a problem with everything taught in Scripture about worshipping and serving only God Almighty as God. And with all the Scriptures that say Jehovah our God is one. And that One will NOT share His praise and glory with another, whether it be another god, or another God. Aren't you in effect stealing Jehovah's glory and giving it to a creation of His when you start giving Jesus the credit for the Exodus, creation and other things that Jehovah ultimately did?
Jesus is rightly called our savior, but let's not lose sight of the One who made the decision to send someone to be a savior to us instead of eliminating us all.
And I changed my mind on the neighbor question. Like I said, it was not a fair question because Jesus is somewhere in between. But after thinking about it for awile, Jesus IMO is much more like God than any imperfect human.
Your statement “He is the one that gives eternal life” is what I was just talking about. WHO will eternal life ultimately come from? Jesus, or the God who also gave him eternal life?
peace and love,
mike
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