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Jodi lee said;
Quote Jesus did not send himself out into the world to preach the gospel to heal the sick and to die for us on the cross. TO ALL:
Jodi Lee's comment above reflects how blind to scriptural revelation she is and how one dimensionally she thinks.
No one disputes that the Father “sent” Jesus into the world to die for our sins. But she takes away from the fact Jesus also came on His own initiative. Philippians 2 is very clear that Jesus made Himself nothing and took upon Himself the form of a servant and came to do His Father's will. Jesus said that the Father loves Him because He lays down His life of Himself (John 10:17).
Yet Jodi Lee thinks that His being “sent” means that He did not come on His own. Would she say the same thing of the missionary who denies herself the creature comforts of living in the USA? The missionary has a burden for people in a third world country in Africa and she feels compelled to leave the people she loves to go and administer medical aid to the people. So she spends all her money to go to medical school and she studies hard devoting her whole life to learning what she needs to know.
Afterwards the missionary finds a good missions organization to commission her to go to the missions field. The missions board examines her and finds her qualified and then “sends” her to Africa.
By Jodi Lee's logic the missionary should not receive any credit because she was “sent” by the missions organization. After all, the missionary “did not send herself.” By Jodi Lee's logic we should not consider that the missionary spent all the money she had to train for medical school so she could help others. We should not consider that she left her homeland and the people she loves to give medical aid to impoverished and needy people. We should not consider that the missionary is subjecting herself to disease because of her great love for third world people. We should not consider the love and actions of the missionary because she was “sent” by the missions organization.
This is how Jodi Lee would have us treat Jesus. She does not want us to consider that He left His life and His riches for our sakes. She does not want us to consider that Jesus subjected Himself to being spit upon and tortured and put to death by the very people He came to save. Jodi Lee says that we cannot consider this because He did not send Himself.
In other words, Jodi Lee does not want us to love Jesus for what He has done for us. She says that we should love the Father alone because it was the Father who sent Him.
But the Father could not have sent Jesus if He didn't love us anymore than the missions board can send people that have no love or burden for people.
In fact, the Father would not have sent Him if He didn't love us just as a missions board would not send people who do not love other people.
Jodi Lee does not share the affections for Jesus that the Father has for Him. Jesus had the assurance that His Father loved Him because He lays down His life of Himself.
17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
Note also that Jesus possessed the right to lay down His life “of Himself.” While on earth this is the only area inwhich Christ did act on His own. In all others areas He did nothing “of Himself.” But Jodi Lee does not want us to appreciate Him. She is contrary to Peter also:
7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,
“ The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,” 1 Peter 2:7To those who believe Jesus is PRECIOUS!
It is obvious that Jodi Lee sees only that side of Jesus she wants to see which is the Jesus who was “under God's thumb.” This is because she thinks one dimensionally.
thinker
thinker
Good comparison; I don't think Jodi understands why Jesus had to die, who he came to ransom, and what a ransom is.
Georg
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 18 2010,14:34) Hi TT,
So the God of Jesus sent him.
NickWho else do YOU think sent him?
Georg
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 18 2010,14:36) HiTT,
So why is the God of Jesus not your God??
Do you KNOW your God?
NickodemusWhat a dumb comment.
Georg
Hi Georg,
Your ways are degenerating again.
TT thinks God is a trinity and we try to help him see how ludicrous this idea is in practice.Hi Thinker,
Why is it that any time someone talks about the Scriptural fact that Jesus was sent by his God, you go on a rant about how we don't appreciate Jesus? Just because we know that Jesus is not nor has ever been God Almighty doesn't mean we don't appreciate, value and love what he has done for us and means to us.
The Bible does not teach a trinity God, men do. Don't try to make your doctrine “true” by insinuating that true believers deny what is due to Jesus Christ.
peace and love,
mikeThe Thinker,
The missionary did not have the authority to send herself but rather depended on the missionary organization to supply that authority. She was still willing to go whatever the missionary organization decided.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2010,00:03)
The Bible does not teach a trinity God, men do. Don't try to make your doctrine “true” by insinuating that true believers deny what is due to Jesus Christ.peace and love,
mike
MikeSo you say, but millions of believers disagree with you who know far more about the scriptures than you do!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 18 2010,17:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2010,00:03)
The Bible does not teach a trinity God, men do. Don't try to make your doctrine “true” by insinuating that true believers deny what is due to Jesus Christ.peace and love,
mike
MikeSo you say, but millions of believers disagree with you who know far more about the scriptures than you do!
WJ
You sound a bit catholicity there WJ, any reason for such a comment.Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 18 2010,14:37) thinker Good comparison; I don't think Jodi understands why Jesus had to die, who he came to ransom, and what a ransom is.
Georg
Hey Georg,Thanks! It's nice that we agree every once in a while.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 18 2010,14:34) Hi TT,
So the God of Jesus sent him.
Nick,The one wo existed in God's form made Himself nothing and took the form of a servant. He was a willing and voluntary servant. He could have asked the Father for twelve legions of angels and the Father would have granted it. But He didn't ask.
He laid down His life “of Himself.” Reality is two dimensional Nick. But Jodi Lee has only a one dimensional mind. This reflects that she has little life experience.
thinker
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2010,16:03) Hi Thinker, Why is it that any time someone talks about the Scriptural fact that Jesus was sent by his God, you go on a rant about how we don't appreciate Jesus? Just because we know that Jesus is not nor has ever been God Almighty doesn't mean we don't appreciate, value and love what he has done for us and means to us.
The Bible does not teach a trinity God, men do. Don't try to make your doctrine “true” by insinuating that true believers deny what is due to Jesus Christ.
peace and love,
mike
Because no anti-trinitarian here talks about the love of Jesus unless pushed to talk about it. Your otherwise silence betrays you.Trinitarians always speak of Jesus with the scriptural and balanced view. He was servant of His own choice as the missionary woman in my illustration. He subjected Himself to the authority of His Father as the missionary woman subjected herself to the authority of the missions board. Jesus willingly obeyed the precepts that came with His mission as the missionary woman willingly obeys the precepts of the missions board.
JESUS WAS NOT REQUIRED TO COME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AS THE MISSIONARY WOMAN IS NOT REQUIRED TO GO TO AFRICA. BUT ONCE HE VOLUNTEERED HE WAS UNDER HIS FATHER'S REQUIREMENTS AS THE MISSIONARY WOMAN WAS UNDER THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MISSIONS BOARD.
BEING UNDER REQUIREMENTS AND COMMANDMENTS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM ONE'S VOLUNTEERISM!
Your one sided Jesus is not the Jesus of scripture.
Do you think you can stop “ranting” about His being sent long enough to ponder what He went through for you?
Do you think you could stop “ranting” about His being sent long enough to consider that Jesus had the hardest part in securing your salvation?
thinker
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 18 2010,17:34) The Thinker, The missionary did not have the authority to send herself but rather depended on the missionary organization to supply that authority. She was still willing to go whatever the missionary organization decided.
Kerwin,Agreed. The same is true of Jesus. He did not have to come into this world to suffer for us. But once He agreed He was under authority.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 19 2010,03:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 18 2010,14:34) Hi TT,
So the God of Jesus sent him.
Nick,The one wo existed in God's form made Himself nothing and took the form of a servant. He was a willing and voluntary servant. He could have asked the Father for twelve legions of angels and the Father would have granted it. But He didn't ask.
He laid down His life “of Himself.” Reality is two dimensional Nick. But Jodi Lee has only a one dimensional mind. This reflects that she has little life experience.
thinker
Hi TT,
Yes he could have asked his God for that.
His God is greater.Hi TT,
You suggest Jodi is limited yet she expresses wisdom.
You on the other hand do not know WHO God is yet.Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 18 2010,06:26) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 18 2010,17:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2010,00:03)
The Bible does not teach a trinity God, men do. Don't try to make your doctrine “true” by insinuating that true believers deny what is due to Jesus Christ.peace and love,
mike
MikeSo you say, but millions of believers disagree with you who know far more about the scriptures than you do!
WJ
You sound a bit catholicity there WJ, any reason for such a comment.
POKActually I was referring to the majority of non-Catholic Christianity.
Most Protestant Christianity are Trinitarian. But even if you count the Catholics, your statement makes no sense because believing in the Trinity doesn't make you Catholic or related to the Catholics any more than believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus does.
The Catholics believe that also. Do you?
If you do then you must be Catholic right?
Blessings Keith
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,06:24) Hi TT,
You suggest Jodi is limited yet she expresses wisdom.
You on the other hand do not know WHO God is yet.
Nick,So you deny that Jesus died for you because He loves you?
thinker
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