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EDJ ……..It was him that said the symbols were of a ox head an d a Shepard's staff, I have not seen where he agrees with you on this EDJ. IT makes sense if you think about, God is all powerful (OX symbol) and he is what we lean on for support, represented by the Shepard's (STAFF), there is no mystery religious code rendered there EDJ, it makes sense EDJ think about it ok brother.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2013,10:46) EDJ ……..It was him that said the symbols were of a ox head an d a Shepard's staff, I have not seen where he agrees with you on this EDJ. IT makes sense if you think about, God is all powerful (OX symbol) and he is what we lean on for support, represented by the Shepard's (STAFF), there is no mystery religious code rendered there EDJ, it makes sense EDJ think about it ok brother. Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Did you look at the chart I got from YOUR guy?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2013,10:46) EDJ ……..It was him that said the symbols were of a ox head an d a Shepard's staff, I have not seen where he agrees with you on this EDJ. IT makes sense if you think about, God is all powerful (OX symbol) and he is what we lean on for support, represented by the Shepard's (STAFF), there is no mystery religious code rendered there EDJ, it makes sense EDJ think about it ok brother. Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Hi Gene,I see where YOUR confusion is coming from now,
this is NOT about “EL”, but about the “Aleph-Tav.”
The Shepard's (STAFF) is from the letter “L” in “EL”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ…….Yes but you used the letter for (a Mark) a cross, but that is not the pictorial letter used in describing GOD, it is an OX with a Shepard's STAFF , that was used, not the letter for a Mark a CROSS. I have read what Jeff Benner has said about it and unless he has changed his mind it was a Symbol for a Staff and not the symbol for a Mark, as I recall.
IF you are talking about Alfa and Omega , that simply means the beginning and the end, or start and Finish , nothing more. People make all kind of things out of nothing EDJ, There is no “secret” code there, IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Hi Gene,
You really need to watch the videos as the “Aleph-Tav” is about Jesus.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2013,11:20) EDJ…….Yes but you used the letter for (a Mark) a cross, but that is not the pictorial letter used in describing GOD, it is an OX with a Shepard's STAFF , that was used, not the letter for a Mark a CROSS…
………………………gene
Hi Gene,א ת
Yes I know – this thread is about the “Aleph-Tav”, and this
represents Christ, which is “God's Sign” or Signature marker.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ……..It is pagan religion that uses a cross for a mark of Christanity, it was all started by Emperor Constantine a pagan ruler at the beginning of false modern Christanity, the sign used by true Christians was the symbol of a fish, not a cross. In fact Jesus was not even crucified on a cross it appears.
The term beginning and end Can be applied many ways. The first and the last is also another term used , it simply means that the last is exactly as the first. Jesus was the first resurrected from the grave and the last will be resurrected just like he was. IMO
Trying to make a “MYSTERY” out of simple things is the main source of confusion here, and in all religions . There is no “secret codes” applied by the term alpa and omega, or the first and the last or the original “Pictorial Hebrew word for God, which is not the letters your using, try not to get caught up in that garbage brother.
Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 02 2013,08:03) EDJ……..It is pagan religion that uses a cross for a mark of Christanity, it was all started by Emperor Constantine a pagan ruler at the beginning of false modern Christanity, the sign used by true Christians was the symbol of a fish, not a cross. In fact Jesus was not even crucified on a cross it appears. The term beginning and end Can be applied many ways. The first and the last is also another term used , it simply means that the last is exactly as the first. Jesus was the first resurrected from the grave and the last will be resurrected just like he was. IMO
Trying to make a “MYSTERY” out of simple things is the main source of confusion here, and in all religions . There is no “secret codes” applied by the term alpa and omega, or the first and the last or the original “Pictorial Hebrew word for God, which is not the letters your using, try not to get caught up in that garbage brother.
Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
Hi Gene,Are you calling “Christianity” a pagan religion? It was
Jesus himself who said “HE” that was the “Aleph-Tav”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ……NO, TRUE Christainity was not pagan, but the symbol of a CROSS as representing Christanity is. It was started by the pagan emperor Constantine as well as the pagan Trinitarian teachings, which also has it roots in paganism . The only true symbol that I know of was a symbol of a fish. The cross had nothing to do with true Christianity originally and just like Jesus being a God.
You can find that all out by looking into the early church history, at the time of emperor Constantine it was he who made the symbol of the cross the standard symbol of Christainity . Check it out EDJ.
Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 02 2013,13:16) Check it out EDJ.
It is YOU who needs to check it out Gene, scroll your eyes down the Hebrew Chart “I” got from
Jeff Benner (YOUR GUY) – both the Ancient Hebrew letter pectoral, and the meaning of each letter.GOD is: our strong powerful leader
and the sign signal mark or monument He(YHVH) gave
was Jesus dying on a cross for our sins; do you agree with this or not?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ……..There is no proof Jesus died on a CROSS, in fact scriptures say it was TREE he died on. Check out what i am telling you brother, The Sign of a Cross was given to Christianity by Emperor Constantine.
The Roman Emperor was divided up and controlled by two separate Emperors and Constantine wanted to be Emperor Maxamus and control all of the Empire , he had a dream of a Flying Cross in the clouds and a Bishop told him it was a sign from God, and if he would paint the sign of the cross on his soldiers shields, he would win the up coming battle so he did it, and did win the battle, and as a result he commanded that the Cross become the (NEW) symbol of all Christianity.
Now that is where your symbol of a Cross came from it had nothing to do with the Death of Jesus or any early Christian symbol, Most true records show he was crucified on a stake or tree (acts 13), as was the custom of the Romans. The only true record of any symbol for Christians recorded, was the symbol of a fish. Check it out EDJ.
Now as for you mixing up the symbol for God with a symbol for Jesus, Jeff Benner never taught as far as i know, that the symbol for God was a Cross with and OX, that simply is not true. Your changing the ORIGINAL PICTORIAL language, by taking out the Shepard's Staff and replacing it with a Cross Sign, which is a letter meaning a Mark, trying to create a “MYSTERY” REVELATION, which is not implied in any Scripture or any Original Pictorial language concerning a God or Jesus. We may have to just agree to disagree on this brother. IMO
Peace and love to you and your…………………………gene
Hi Gene,
“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness;
but unto us which are saved [the CROSS] is the power of God.” (1Cor.1:18)I guess you're through on this thread then, or do you intend to keep
giving us your opinions – via your “Free Will” and act as an adversary here?We are discussing why Jesus calls himself the “Aleph-Tav” AND YOU DO NOT SEEM INTERESTED.
That's what this thread is about: you are welcome to read here and even comment, but try to stay on topic; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ July 03 2013,00:50) Jeff Benner never taught as far as i know, that the symbol for God was a Cross with and OX, that simply is not true.
Do you have a mental-block?EDJ………I don't think say saying I have a mental block is right, it is you who seem to have the problem not I. You first saId Jeff Benner taught there was a sign of a cross used to indicate Jesus which I said he did not teach that and gave you the truth on what he really said. Instead of showing me his teachings you just moved on without proving me wrong. Next you try to force the original wording to mean a symbol for Jesus was a cross which original Christians used which is not true either. Now trying to say the ,”symbol” of a cross was some kind of early Christian symbol is also false and forcing a text which says something about the cross , which was referencing the crucified Jesus not any kind of symbol whatsoever in fact neither of those scripture was referencing any symbol for Jesus at all, but was referencing his cruification and has nothing to do with any kind of “MYSTERY SYMBOLIC.” religious symbol at all. IMO
And it is not you so-called “free will” you expressing but your “Captivated will” . IMO
Peace and love……………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 03 2013,00:50) Jeff Benner never taught as far as i know, that the symbol for God was a Cross with and OX, that simply is not true.
Hi Gene,Let me spell it out for you again then.
What YOU are talking about here is the pictorial
Ancient Hebrew letters which represent “EL”(meaning “GOD”).THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING IN THIS THREAD – GENE.
What this thread is about is *WHY* Jesus referred to himself as the “Aleph-Tav”.
First you need to know what's being discussed, then you can willingly add your input.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ…..Another mistake your making is saying the symbol of an ox head alone means GOD'S, that is not true , while it does mean might, it only means A GOD when the Staff is incorupated , because our God is only our God, if we believe and trust or lean on him (Staff) as our mighty one (OX). The symbol for a ox head by it self has nothing to do with any GOD of any kind it only becomes that when it is incorporated with the Letter for a Staff , being strong does not make a GOD by it self. you beginning to sound like Mike , making any thing that is mighty a GOD, pure false teachings.
How you relate that with Jesus being olaph and omega is with some kind of mystery meaning, is a speculation on your part IMO. The only true alpha and omega is GOD ALMIGHTY, he is the first and the last , because all things came into being through him and him alone, and without him “NOTHING” EXISTS, Not anyone or any thing, even Jesus. IMO
Peace and love…………………………………gene
Hi Gene,
I'm glad you now understand what this thread is about now:
The “Aleph-Tav” equals Jesus Christ
GOD is: our strong powerful leader(=Aleph)
and the sign signal mark or monument(=Tav) which GOD gave
was Jesus Christ dying on a cross for our sins; do you now agree with the premise?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ……NO, I do not agree with that, your symbol for God's as being a ox head singal letter is wrong, no Gods are that symbol at all , it like using one letter to mean something , when in fact it takes two , like the word go, if I just used the letter G how would you know I meant the “word” GO, same with the word for GOD is must include both Letters in the original pictorial language , it had to include the letter for STAFF meaning, what we trust in or lean on for support, “AND” the letter representing strength , (OX) you can't have the “WORD” for a GOD without both LETTERS.
Jesus is not as you are desperately trying to portray him as, he himself is not the alpha and omega , that belongs to GOD the father ONLY. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2013,21:09) Hi Gene, I'm glad you now understand what this thread is about now:
The “Aleph-Tav” equals Jesus Christ
GOD is: our strong powerful leader(=Aleph)
and the sign signal mark or monument(=Tav) which GOD gave
was Jesus Christ dying on a cross for our sins; do you now agree with the premise?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Gene,The “SIGN” that GOD gave was Jesus death, burial, and resurrection. Do you deny this?
“An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it,
but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” (Matthew 12:39-40)This matches the meaning of the “Aleph-Tav” – which Jesus SAID HE WAS!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ……..What Jesus meant by him being the first and the last was only regard to the restriction from the dead, simply meaning the the last man resurrected will be just as he , the first man resurrected, he was no implying anything else. No “mystery there” just the lack of understanding a simple statement. Jesus is the first and is just like the last man, in the plan and will of God for all mankind.
IMOPeace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
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