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Wakeup,
I may not have explained what I was saying well enough. I was saying that Jesus is the WORD made flesh. But I was trying to explain how the Ancient Hebrews see that statement. Let me try to put it together a little better.
The WORD (the Torah/Teachings/Law) means that what it says points people to God’s nature. The Law is not His nature–it only points people to it. Jesus is part of God. He’s God’s nature of unconditional love. And out of God’s unconditional love, He created everything. God birthed His unconditional love in the form of a human–Jesus. Therefore, Jesus is the WORD (God’s nature). Does that explain it a little better?
Brian…….God and his word are one and the same thing, God is spirit, so is his word ,Jesus told us, just as you can not be separated from you words neither can The LORD OUR GOD, God being spirit was in Jesus, speaking through him to us. Remember Jesus said that the Father was “in” him, now how was he in him?, by the fact God is spirit and as a result can indwell humans, our bodies are considered as temples he can enterror and dwell in. It was not Jesus who said “destroy this templease and in three days I (God the Father) shall raise it up. The apostle Paul also said “know you not that your bodies are the temples of the living God.” Remember also where is says, God spoke to us in different ways and manors, in times past through the prophets, but in these latter days has spoken to us through a son.
Yes God the Father was actally “In” the man Jesus, just as he can also be “IN” us. He is a spirit and as a result can cohabbit, with us.
The idea that Jesus is or was the God that was in him is what all false Christianity is about, Jesus is and never was a God of any kind, he never prexisted his existence on this earth , that is also just false teachings form false christainty.
Anyone who teaches Jesus as being different them his human brothers and sisters, by introducing any doctrines contrary to our exact identify with him in every way and try’s to make him different then we, are doing exactly what their Father Satan, want them to do, Satan wants people to believe Jesus is different then the rest of humanity, in order to cause them to think Jesus was different and therefore thinking him to be a God, they will not think they can actually “attain to the measure and “FULL” stature of Jesus who is the christ”.
Very cleaver and actually works, people do not believe they can actually achieve what Jesus did, why? Because they have moved his identity away from themselves and no longer seening him as a man , they see him as a pre-existent deity, a GOD. The very purpose of Jesus is throughouted by SATAN’S doctrines of “SEPERATION” that is working in all those deceived, who God has sent the spirit of delusion to them because, they loved not the truth. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Thanks, Gene.
Actually, I take a different approach than Christianity. I believe Jesus, and us, were created and existed with God in heaven before we came here. How long, I don’t know, because eternity has no concept of time. Jesus was part of God just as we were part of God. Now, if He was actually God, I really don’t know. But I know Jesus had/has a purpose and came to fulfill it. He was fully human, just like us. And I think any of us can likely achieve what He achieved. I’m not sure if He ever had any dysfunctional behavior (sin) like we do or not. The Bible says He knew no sin. But it’s very difficult to understand the depth to which the writer is talking about something.
For instance, God being “in” Jesus could have several meanings depending on how a person sees the world and God. Eastern philosophy I believe better defines this than Western philosophy. Personally, I believe religion is the enemy, through and through, because it puts God in a box and attempts to suppress our feelings of shame with practices and moral standards. That’s why Jesus spoke out against the Pharisees and the Pagans equally (both religious sects) and hung out with the normal people who were not religious.
I keep my beliefs in a “theory” state, and I don’t hold too tightly to them, because there’s a lot that we don’t know for certain. I just seek God in the ways I’ve found that work, trying to align my physical body, mental body, and emotional body with my spirit body (child-of-God self). I’m not always able to explain everything properly on here, because there’s a ton I’ve studied and experienced to come to these conclusions I currently hold. And again, they’re just theories and could be wrong. I believe more similarly to the way this forum believes than mainstream Christianity, probably. But I don’t know too much about how this forum believes.
The best method for becoming like Jesus, in my opinion, is taught in a book called The Presence Process. It takes a person through a 10-week process, one week at a time, that shows a person how to be aware of their emotions which drive their actions, and how to respond to them so they will integrate/resolve. Eventually, a person becomes their authentic child-of-God self. I highly recommend this. We can sit here and debate or even discuss what we “think” is correct, but that’s just the mind trying to figure out everything logically. It doesn’t do much for the emotional body, which is the causal point of our behavioral dysfunctions (aka – sin). There’s nothing wrong with us. We’re here to experience dysfunction so that we can grow emotionally from it–so that we can mature. “Perfect” is a word the religious created. The Hebrew word for “perfect” actually means mature in thought and action, having a feeling of wholeness, completeness. It’s an alignment of our spirit, heart (emotional body), mind, and body. But religion only looks at actions. That’ll get a person nowhere quick. Maybe people on this forum know that, I don’t know. Good luck.
hi brian
Actually, I take a different approach than Christianity. I believe Jesus, and us, were created and existed with God in heaven before we came here.
and because you are taking a different aproach should this be the true one or just another opinion to add up to all others ?
why is it that people have a hard time just to listwn to God’s words ?
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”Mike b.
Isaiah 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth,
and my right hand hath spanned the heavens:
when *I call* unto them, they stand up together.God spoke and they were all created.
He spoke out His WORD.(THE WORD OF GOD).
in the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God at creation; and the word was God; before creation.
God is a spirit.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
Can you tell us where in the bible it says Jesus (according to you) is “The Word”?
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODTerraricca,
I don’t have a problem with anything stated in the Bible. I’m extremely well read and well versed in scripture, more than most people, more than a lot of pastors. The Bible isn’t the problem–the translations are. Learn about translation from a really good source that’s up-to-date, like Jeff Benner, and you’ll quickly see what I’m talking about. Read a couple of books called Hope Beyond Hell or At the End of the Ages. You’ll see how important translation is and how difficult it is. Those books aren’t primarily about translation, but they give tons of good information about translation. For instance, the Church Fathers use the same term as the New Testament uses for “eternal judgment” and “eternal punishment,” but they then say that a person is only there until they’re purified, then they go to paradise with everyone else. They say hell is for cleansing. Most of them eventually switch to believing people stay in hell forever, which isn’t surprising since pagan ideas were rampant at the time. The point, though, is that they were native Koine Greek speakers using a saying they knew well, and they said hell was not eternal like we think it is today. In other words, we don’t understand their sayings very well and it’s got our doctrines all screwed up.
Just because the Bible says something doesn’t mean we’re interpreting or understanding it correctly. I’m saying that I have a different understanding of many parts of the Bible than mainstream Christianity. This website also has some very different views of what the Bible is saying, too.
How do you know your view is correct? I’m humble enough to say, “I cannot know if my view is correct, but I do my best to research year after year after year to seek the truth, both via information and personal experience.” That’s all I can go on.
Wakeup,
I think you were asking someone else the question, but I’ll give my answer as best I can. I haven’t studied the follow passage very well, so I’m hoping you or others will have better information on it than me.
John 1:14
<sup class=”versenum”>14 </sup>The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
That seems to say that Jesus is the Word, because it indicates that the one and only Son, who came from the Father, is the Word. Do you have some information on this that sheds a different light on this?
Thanks!
Brian wrote:(1)God is Spirit:
Abraham was Eastern Philosophy (not to be confused with Eastern religions). We didn’t know that until fairly recently. Easterners see God very differently than us. Westerners believe God created everything out of nothing. So, to a Westerner, God is separate from His creation, but everywhere at once. To an Easterner, God is intimately connected with His creation, because He made it all out of Himself (which is why scientists have proven that the subatomic energy particles that make up all matter are conscious and have God-like abilities like being more than one place at the same time). Western Philosophy (pagan ideals) is the foundation from which our western religions are built, and we lost most of our eastern practices and worldviews from the time of the Hebrews. So, Christianity is missing a lot of its roots which give it so much more depth and clear up so many misunderstandings.
I’m going to simplify this and leave out all the scientific discoveries. (2)If God made everything out of Himself, Jesus cannot be God Himself. (3)He has to either be part of God or just a man. (4)I’m not certain which.
Hi Brian,
1) John 4:24
2) Yes
3) True
4) Then there may be evidence that you have not considered or have overlooked. I’m certain which.___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODThey were all about emptying their “egos” in order to get to their true selves which was part of the whole.
Hi Brian,
I believe you understand the meaning of this verse then…
“he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.” (Matt 10:38)___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODAlso, when Jesus says God created things through Him
Hi Brian,
Where exactly did “Jesus” say that?
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODI believe Jesus, and us, were created and existed with God in heaven before we came here. How long, I don’t know, because eternity has no concept of time. Jesus was part of God just as we were part of God.
Hi Brian,
Interesting, my belief is very similar to yours, except there was no pre-Jesus.
Jesus was part of God, in God(John 16:27). He became
like us when he entered into this realm(Heb.2:17).___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODHi Brian,
Faith is not a man made religion.
It is letting God do His works though us.
We are privileged to be invited to be vessels for Him
Now, if He was actually God, I really don’t know. But I know Jesus had/has a purpose and came to fulfill it.
Hi Brian,
Have you considered in what way Isaiah 14:19-20 might possibly play a roll in Jesus death on the cross?
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODWakeup,
I think you were asking someone else the question, but I’ll give my answer as best I can. I haven’t studied the follow passage very well, so I’m hoping you or others will have better information on it than me.
John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
That seems to say that Jesus is the Word, because it indicates that the one and only Son, who came from the Father, is the Word. Do you have some information on this that sheds a different light on this?
Thanks!
Hi Brian,
I do, would you like to see it?
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODHi ED,
The Word was with God and was God.
Jesus did not exist till conceived in Mary.
He became a vessel for the Word at the Jordan
Hi ED,
The Word was with God and was God.
Jesus did not exist till conceived in Mary.
He became a vessel for the Word at the Jordan
Hi Nick,
Yes I agree with you. But you did not always have this belief.
You did not have this belief when I first joined this forum.So my work here has been a benefit. T8 also now considers
Muhammadin-islam might be the Eighth – of the seventh
– which *WAS* The Ottoman Empire. Muhammadin-islam
was not ‘a world Empire’, yet it as if it is.___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODHi Ed,
Many of my beliefs have changed as the Spirit teaches me.
Some of my dogmas were hard to let go of but I spoke from my unspiritual mind.
God showed me His ways are different
Hi ED,
The book of John is the key as he had a spiritual mind.
He heard the Spirit in the words of Jesus Christ
The other three narratives are more factual
Hi Ed,
Many of my beliefs have changed as the Spirit teaches me.
Some of my dogmas were hard to let go of but I spoke from my unspiritual mind.
God showed me His ways are different
Yes Nick,
That is why יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) says we must “REASON” together! (ref Isaiah 1:18)
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