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Pierre,
TRUTH his truth and truth is found in scriptures if you believe the scriptures ,we Mike and I and t8 told you many times over the past years that it is so according to scriptures but you seem to like to interpreting scriptures in your own way ,and blame the others to not following you ,
I have over 20 bibles in paper and more on my computer ,the NWT is but only one little one of them ,you should rather considering to more deeply seek the truth just as it is written in scriptures and stop from putting your words into God’s truth ,the real truth will appear to you,
That is so sad.
If God intended His written word needed to be understood by NEEDING 20+ different and conflicting bibles, then God would have done it Himself .. BUT He did NOT do this .. MEN did .. since God is NOT the author of confusion!!
We have tried to warn you to no avail .. and thus the real truth of the new song will never be known to you and millions of likeminded individuals who have scoffed at Gods promise, with or without realising ..you have made FLESH your RIGHT ARM .. and woe to any man says God who does this thing!!
Nick.
Hi WU,
You cannot see the kingdom till you are reborn from above.
So you are ruled out?
And yet Jesus said: seek ye first the kingdom.
And you obviously have not found that kingdom.
If you have; you can explain that kingdom to us, but can not.
The kingdom is within all of us to find.
wakeupNick.
NickHassan
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Hi WU,
Who are these that have all knowledge??
Such is vanity.
They are them that follow the Lamb wheresoever He goes.
Only them that knew the new song; which all have scoffed at.
wakeup.Hi WU,
You have the renewing of your mind??
No you would renew the scriptures according to your mind.
How can you judge my mind, or any one’s mind?
You don’t even know your scriptures, only think you do.
How can you ever know I have renewed the scriptures?
wakeup.hi devo
That is so sad.
If God intended His written word needed to be understood by NEEDING 20+ different and conflicting bibles, then God would have done it Himself .. BUT He did NOT do this .. MEN did .. since God is NOT the author of confusion!!
We have tried to warn you to no avail .. and thus the real truth of the new song will never be known to you and millions of likeminded individuals who have scoffed at Gods promise, with or without realising ..you have made FLESH your RIGHT ARM .. and woe to any man says God who does this thing!!
I have to allow for men’s bias and corruption ,even the kjv is corrupted ,all men’s work ,
and yes don’t be sad I have the truth for only those that live by it can find the truth of God’s holy spirit of truth ,for if you do not have the truth it is because you still believe in lies ,clean the lies believe in all scriptures search for the real truth of God not yours ,and you will be saved
Terra.
If you can see the kingdom of God, and can show it to us.
We will believe that you have the truth.
Otherwise it is just in your mind, and many minds.
wakeup.hi devo
That is so sad.
If God intended His written word needed to be understood by NEEDING 20+ different and conflicting bibles, then God would have done it Himself .. BUT He did NOT do this .. MEN did .. since God is NOT the author of confusion!!
We have tried to warn you to no avail .. and thus the real truth of the new song will never be known to you and millions of likeminded individuals who have scoffed at Gods promise, with or without realising ..you have made FLESH your RIGHT ARM .. and woe to any man says God who does this thing!!
JN 14:9 Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
MT 13:15 FOR HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL,
WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR,
AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES,
OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES,
HEAR THEIR EARS,
AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN,
AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.’MT 15:10 After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, “Hear and understand.
MT 15:17 “Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated?
MT 16:9 “Do you not yet understand or remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets full you picked up?
MT 16:11 “How is it that you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread? But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”MT 24:15 “Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place ( let the reader understand),
if you can vouch for your translators;let them be like this then if not they cannot be trusted;;;;;
1Pe 2:21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
1Pe 2:22 “He committed no sin,
and no deceit was found in his mouth.”1Jn 2:5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:
1Jn 2:6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.so don’t be sad for me but more for you self for you have not come to know the truth of scriptures ,
wakeup
Terra.
If you can see the kingdom of God, and can show it to us.
We will believe that you have the truth.
Otherwise it is just in your mind, and many minds.
wakeup.this is the same question that Philip ask Jesus ; so go and find the answer in scriptures ,but think on not the years of Philip being with Christ but all the years you have study the scriptures and yet ask that question ,
you have understood nothing
Kindly insert the scripture that says there are some that have been given ALL knowledge.
Also, read 1 Corinth 13:12
12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.
Have you more insight than Apostle Paul?
Also, are you suggesting that YOU are one of those blessed enough to have been given ALL knowledge?
Agreed Grasshopper. When a person claims to know all or much it is usually because they do not know enough that they say this.
It is alright to agree with anyone; In don’t mind that.
But Jesus said Clearly: SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
If anyone has found that kingdom; he should be able to explain to us about that kingdom that he has found.
There must be some on this planet that have been given that knowledge.
According to what you and many here are saying; this is not possible for anyone to have that knowledge, is that not so?
There are such as the first fruits; There are some that follow the Lamb wheresoever He goes.
According to you and many here; that is not possible and not true.
If one follows the Lamb wheresoever He goes; will The Lamb not feed him all the knowledge?
I say there are, because of those scriptures; and why can he not be of anyone’s neigbourhood?
If he can explain the kingdom of God To his brothers; he has the whole truth.
This is the proof of the pudding. Peter the fisherman followed Jesus wheresoever he goes; is he not our teacher?
Was He not given the knowledge to teach? Was He not one of their neighbourhood?wakeup.
Terra.
That question is to you and anybody; not for me. I am the questioner.
If you claim you have found, and can see the kingdom of God.
Then explain it to us; teach us. Don’t hide your penny in the sand.
If you can not; then you have NOT found what you suppose to seek.
Seek ye first the kingdom of God, but you have not found.wakeup.
Journey,
Ok so you are un-churched. Thank you. Never been to church or studied with them? What about seeking? Do you search the internet for answers? Do you read material on subjects you are unsure of?
Live by the spirit how? Can you explain a bit better Kerwin please.
When you live by the Spirit you manifest the fruits of the Spirit and you do not manifest the fruits of the beast nature of man. I cannot explain it better than Scripture and many find that hard to understand. All I know is that in no circumstances are those that choose to persevere in living by the Spirit subject to condemnation.
I am not currently studying with any church though I have been a member of a couple denominations of churches previously. I do not agree with the teachings of either group.
I use this forum and the internet as teaching tools but they are both flawed. I also use logical reasoning as Scripture is not broken and it can test if a teaching is broken. I find the promise that those that hunger and thirst for righteousness will be made a new, created like God in true righteousness and holiness is a good guideline as anything that reinforces faith in that fact is most likely true while anything that damages faith is at best incomplete and most likely flat out false.
I of course believe the Spirit guides me to the truth but that is something for others to test for themselves and God to know.
Just a thought…
Perhaps when scripture talks about our right hand it is symbolic of our deeds/actions, etc…and when it talks about our forehead it is symbolic of our thoughts/desires/frame of mind, etc…
Hmmm…I just MIGHT be onto something here 😉
Grasshopper. You might of just thought of it, but it has already been discussed and preached. The preachings vary according to church of course, but they say it is anything other than a physical mark. A spiritual mark.
And @journey42
I do not attend a “church”. But feel free to name the majority of churches that teach to their congregations the theory spoken of from the article. Should be rather easy for you since you made this claim so speedily.
Ok, you do not attend a church. You are quoting somebody’s elses material. Why not discuss the actual scripture written and reason? I made a lot of points, why not address? Why this need to attack what I said and get offended?. If you look into the scriptures you will see a picture emerge regarding the mark of the beast with the words written, and the outcome of this.
This subject reveals what everyone has in their heart. Not one person here can discuss the points I addressed but only throw stones, like trying to catch me out. It has to make you wonder why this subject cannot be discussed amicably at such a critical time?
I have spoken to a lot of people on different forums over the years regarding this subject. I do not know what churches they belong to, but their message. A lot who don’t go to church make their mind up as they go. We are supposed to be “ready” not still deciding what the mark will be.
There are about 600 christian churches. From the top of my head these churches teach it is a spiritual mark of some type only representing something else than what it actually is.
To look on the internet and find exactly what church preaches what concerning this would take me a very long time to prove a point, because I started and realised what a waste of time. You can check for yourself to get an idea if you are really interested, to prove me wrong, and if you do that’s great.If everyone can give their view here it would be a start. Lets talk to the actual people who are on these forums.
I did start looking up what a few teach and will stop here. There are just too many churches. You can get a fair idea from here because they are large churches.
THE ORTHODOX PRESPETYRIAN CHURCH
Question:
Some Christians are deeply concerned about the “verichip” being the mark of the beast we read about in the book of Revelation. Is it really the mark of the beast and should Christians not be implanted with it?
Answer:
Therefore, I do not believe a Christian can accidentally get the mark of the beast through some sort of medical procedure or tattoo. Furthermore, I believe “the mark of the beast” is a symbolic term for those who have joined a religious system other than biblical Christianity. For these reasons, I do not believe the “verichip” (which I’ve read about a little on the internet since receiving your question) is the mark of the beast or that Christians should avoid being implanted with it on that account. There may be very good reasons why a Christian would choose not to be implanted with one of these, and those reasons may well be informed by his Christian and biblical view of the world and the human body. However, concerns stemming from Revelation 13–14 should not be among those reasons.
http://www.opc.org/qa.html?question_id=521IN OTHER WORDS, DON’T LET REVELATIONS BE THE REASON TO REFUSE IT!
PEOPLE ARE READING THIS, AND SOME MIGHT LIKE THE ARTICLE IT TO QUOTE AND PROMOTE.
WOMEN AT EASE. (Churches at ease)LUTHERAN CHURCH
“(The Beast) forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads” Revelation 13:16
In my Lutheran tradition, it is rare to spend a great deal of time in the book of Revelation. Few of its mysterious and misunderstood readings fall in the lectionary sequence. Most Lutherans do not read Revelation as a literal interpretation of the exact ways in which the world will come to an end. Instead, we understand it as God’s WORD spoken to an oppressed people under Roman occupation with the message “At the end of time, God wins” being the central theme. Those familiar with Revelation have heard of the term “The mark of the beast.”I have seen the literal mark of the beast in Tijuana. It is real. More real than any terrifying image that could be conjured in our minds. It confirms beyond any doubt that the forces of evil are truly present in our world.
Every year, thousands of undocumented migrants, braving bandits, extreme heat and hunger, cling to the wagons of “the Beast,” a freight train that runs from southern Mexico to the US-Mexican border. Traveling upwards of 700 miles on the tops of train cars or clinging to metal bars inches from the roaring wheels, migrants travel in search of jobs in Mexico and the US. Along the journey, the Mark of the Beast and all the forces of evil assault the dehydrated, starving migrants with brutal gang rapes, murders and robberies.
http://pastortracypj.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/seeing-mark-of-beast-normal-0-false.htmlTHESE GUYS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS. THEY THINK IT’S ALREADY HERE AND AN ASSULT ON THE DEHYDRATED, STARVING IMMIGRANTS THROUGH GANG RAPES, MURDERS AND ROBERIES.
NOTHING SAID ABOUT CHRISTIANS BEING PERSECUTED.JEHOVAH WITNESSES
The mark of the beast
The Bible says that people receive “the mark of the wild beast” because they follow it “with admiration,” to the point of worshipping it. (Revelation 13:3, 4; 16:2) They do this by giving worshipful honor to their country, its symbols, or its military might. As The Encyclopedia of Religion states: “Nationalism has become a dominant form of religion in the modern world.” *
How is the mark of the beast placed on someone’s right hand or forehead? (Revelation 13:16) Regarding his commands to the nation of Israel, God said: “Bind them as a reminder on your hand, and they should be like a headband on your forehead.” (Deuteronomy 11:18) This meant, not that the Israelites were to mark their literal hands and foreheads, but that God’s words would guide all their actions and thoughts. Likewise, rather than being something literal such as a 666 tattoo, the mark of the beast symbolically identifies those who let the political system rule their lives. Those with the mark of the beast place themselves in opposition to God.—Revelation 14:9, 10; 19:19-21.
http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-does-666-mean/THESE BELIEVE THAT THOSE WHO HAVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST BY GIVING WORSHIP AND HONOR TO THEIR COUNTRY AND IT’S SYMBOLS, OR IT’S MILITARY MIGHT???
I DONT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. BUT IT DOESN’T LOOK GOOD. NOT CLEAR. NO WARNINGS, EXCEPT THOSE WHO HAVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST PUT THEMSELVES IN OPPOSITION TO GOD AND IT’S GOT SOMETHING TO DO ABOUT YOUR NATION. IT’S ABOUT NATIONALISM.
ARE THE FLOCK BEING SOLD?7th DAY ADVENTIST
No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment.
But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit Sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image,
the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast-Evangelism, pp. 234, 235. (Italics supplied.)
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CE0QFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bibelschule.info%2Fstreaming%2FGeneral-Conference—Questions-on-Doctrine_23630.pdf&ei=WJKZVLGpJIri8AWThIKIBg&usg=AFQjCNHh5a1Yn92zg_TUvNCx6vjKgXauZQ&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGcTHESE BELIEVE THAT IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH A COUNTERFEIT SABBATH, AND THE THIRD ANGEL SHALL WARN MEN AGAINST WORSHIPING THE BEAST OR HIS IMAGE.
BY THE TIME THE THIRD ANGEL COMES, IT WILL BE TOO LATE. DIDN’T THEY READ REVELATIONS? WHAT ABOUT THEIR FLOCK, DID THEY NOT READ ALSO? BECAUSE BY THE TIME THE FIRST ANGEL BLOWS, IT’S ALREADY TO LATE.
HERE I’LL SHOW YOU;Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
THE WRATH STARTS AT THE 1ST ANGEL.
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