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Quote (chosenone @ April 15 2010,17:43) terraricca.
[/QUOTE]but you did not answer the second part of the verse; without holiness no one will see the Lord
this is what i am afterYes, we must be 'holy'. But don't you see, we are not able to do it ouselves. Look at the following scriptures…
Phil.2:13 …for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight.Ro.8:8 …Now those who are in flesh are not able to please God.
Eph.2:10 …For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.
2.Cor.5:18-21 …18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.
20 For Christ, then, are we ambassadors, as of God entreating through us. We are beseeching for Christ's sake, “Be conciliated to God!”
21 For the One not knowing sin, He makes to be a sin offering for our sakes that we may be becoming God's righteousness in Him.We cannot accomplish what we need to by our own 'works'. It is God, and God alone who will make us what we need to be for salvation.
God Bless, Jerry.
CORo 8:8 Those who are controlled by their sinful nature can’t please God.
this is not the same as you presented ,someone in the flesh can please God provided he does not live in there sinful nature ,
SO I SAY YOU MIS REPRESENT SCRIPTURES.Eph 2:10 God made us. He created us to belong to Christ Jesus. Now we can do good things. Long ago God prepared them for us to do.
HER WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS UPON US TO DO GODS WORK.
2Co 5:17 Anyone who believes in Christ is a new creation. The old is gone! The new has come!
2Co 5:18 It is all from God. He brought us back to himself through Christ’s death on the cross. And he has given us the task of bringing others back to him through Christ.
2Co 5:19 God was bringing the world back to himself through Christ. He did not hold people’s sins against them. God has trusted us with the message that people may be brought back to him.
2Co 5:20 So we are Christ’s official messengers. It is as if God were making his appeal through us. Here is what Christ wants us to beg you to do. Come back to God!YOU CAN SEE THE CALL ;;COME BACK TO GOD;
PAUL EXPLAIN THE TYPE OF WORK A CHRISTIAN SHOULD DO.BUT WE HAVE TO ACCEPTED AND WILLING TO DO IT.
NOT BY INVENTING ,AND MISLEADING BUT IN TRUTH.
terraricca.
I see you trust yourself to qualify for salvation. Yes you will be saved, but you will thank God for doing so, He (God) is the saviour of all mankind (1Tim.4:9-11).Blessings.
Chosenone……..they just don't GET IT Brother. They don;t even know what (FRUIT of THE SPIRIT) Means, they think it is Their (OWN) WORKS that produces Righteousness.
peace and love to you and yours………….gene
Gene,
I must ask you to take back that last statement.
Brother Terraricca is one of the believers like me and we certainly believe that it is by Faith and Works that we will be saved.
I'm going to be honest and say that his posts have not alwats been the most palitable to those who are against what he thinks, and neither have mine, but our hearts have been true to our faith.
I think you do nit desire to understand him because his command if english is not 'queen's english – gold standard'. Well, tough, give christian allowance for those whose first language is not english and yet have learned enough to command decent dialogue and above all, are striving to declare positive scriptural renderings.
Why do you have the footnote that says '….'
Your post was anything but.
What does the scriptures say that God says: 'They worship me with their mouths but their hearts are…'
JA………I put the Bracket to emphasize a point i am trying to make, if that is what you are talking about. My biggest concern with teraricca is His constant accusation of me and others Here. If you are here to engage in a discussion about a topic then leave the trash talk out. Who here has the right to put anyone down, Have you , and to say i try not to understand him is simply not true, I believe the reverse to be the truth here. Look if I am confronted with accusation i will defend myself in what i believe, If he or you or anyone else want to have an intelligent dialog then leave out the accusing trash about what our FAITH in GOD is.
peace and love…………..gene
Quote (chosenone @ April 18 2010,17:53) terraricca.
I see you trust yourself to qualify for salvation. Yes you will be saved, but you will thank God for doing so, He (God) is the saviour of all mankind (1Tim.4:9-11).Blessings.
Colook at sons in law from lot ,they could not even say yes we coming,it cost them there lives;Ge 19:14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry his daughters. He said, “Hurry and get out of this place, because the LORD is about to destroy the city!” But his sons-in-law thought he was joking
you think God is joking? are ouy thinking i am joking?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 19 2010,09:03) JA………I put the Bracket to emphasize a point i am trying to make, if that is what you are talking about. My biggest concern with teraricca is His constant accusation of me and others Here. If you are here to engage in a discussion about a topic then leave the trash talk out. Who here has the right to put anyone down, Have you , and to say i try not to understand him is simply not true, I believe the reverse to be the truth here. Look if I am confronted with accusation i will defend myself in what i believe, If he or you or anyone else want to have an intelligent dialog then leave out the accusing trash about what our FAITH in GOD is. peace and love…………..gene
geneanything in the scriptures you quote i will support,but anything what is not in scriptures i will not give support and have denounced as false,it is the fire in my heart who does that.the truth of God,
i am sure if what you say is true you would clearly be able to show it to all of us.
Quote (chosenone @ April 18 2010,17:53) terraricca.
I see you trust yourself to qualify for salvation. Yes you will be saved, but you will thank God for doing so, He (God) is the saviour of all mankind (1Tim.4:9-11).Blessings.
COi supply you with the total conversation that Paul is given,so that it may be better understood,small quotes tend to distort
the meaning of it ,religion like to use that approach;1Ti 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
1Ti 4:2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
1Ti 4:3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
1Ti 4:5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
1Ti 4:6 If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
1Ti 4:7 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.
1Ti 4:8 For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.
1Ti 4:9 This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance
1Ti 4:10 (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.
1Ti 4:11 Command and teach these things.
1Ti 4:12 Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity.so show me within my scriptures that i misinterpret them will you and can you???
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 19 2010,03:05) Chosenone……..they just don't GET IT Brother. They don;t even know what (FRUIT of THE SPIRIT) Means, they think it is Their (OWN) WORKS that produces Righteousness. peace and love to you and yours………….gene
geneif you do not believe scriptures what should i do?
Jas 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
Jas 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
Jas 2:20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless ?Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2010,10:43) chosenone,April wrote:terraricca.
I see you trust yourself to qualify for salvation. Yes you will be saved, but you will thank God for doing so, He (God) is the saviour of all mankind (1Tim.4:9-11).1Ti 4:10 (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.
1Ti 4:11 Command and teach these things.
so show me within my scriptures that i misinterpret them will you and can you???
terraricca.
In answer to your request, I will choose a part of your own scripture you posted, and ask you… Do you not believe what it says?
Read it carefully, what is it saying?Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ April 19 2010,16:41) Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2010,10:43) chosenone,April wrote:terraricca.
I see you trust yourself to qualify for salvation. Yes you will be saved, but you will thank God for doing so, He (God) is the saviour of all mankind (1Tim.4:9-11).1Ti 4:10 (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.
1Ti 4:11 Command and teach these things.
so show me within my scriptures that i misinterpret them will you and can you???
terraricca.
In answer to your request, I will choose a part of your own scripture you posted, and ask you… Do you not believe what it says?
Read it carefully, what is it saying?Blessings.
COyes i do ,long ago i have made the decision between all the religion on hand i have pick out the scriptures truth and to serve my God and Christ and that's why i labor in his work,that is my hope.
terraricca.
Just a simple question for you… What did Christs sacrifice do for you? Was it really neccesary, you seem to think that you can be justified by your works, you didn't need anyone else (God…Jesus) to do anything for you. You seem to be doing it all by yourself!Quote (chosenone @ April 19 2010,17:04) terraricca.
Just a simple question for you… What did Christs sacrifice do for you? Was it really neccesary, you seem to think that you can be justified by your works, you didn't need anyone else (God…Jesus) to do anything for you. You seem to be doing it all by yourself!
COwhat did i do ? i just have made one act toward my God and Christ ,and that is to accept what in the scriptures is called the Grace that he offers to all men,you try to say that i do not have to accept his gift what he handed to me??
terraricca.
You didn't answer my question, “what did Christs sacrifice do for you?” Just answer this one question, not what you did.Quote (chosenone @ April 20 2010,17:20) terraricca.
You didn't answer my question, “what did Christs sacrifice do for you?” Just answer this one question, not what you did.
COhe is the means by which God extend his grace to me,what i have accepted long ago.
Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2010,04:25) Quote (chosenone @ April 20 2010,17:20) terraricca.
You didn't answer my question, “what did Christs sacrifice do for you?” Just answer this one question, not what you did.
COhe is the means by which God extend his grace to me,what i have accepted long ago.
terraicca.
You don't seem to know the answer. Yes, He was the means that the Father (God) used, to accomplish what is needed. But what did Jesus, and His sacrifice, do FOR YOU, that gave God, Who sent His Son for this purpose, to accomplished what He (God) needed to extend this grace to you?Quote (chosenone @ April 21 2010,10:33) Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2010,04:25) Quote (chosenone @ April 20 2010,17:20) terraricca.
You didn't answer my question, “what did Christs sacrifice do for you?” Just answer this one question, not what you did.
COhe is the means by which God extend his grace to me,what i have accepted long ago.
terraicca.
You don't seem to know the answer. Yes, He was the means that the Father (God) used, to accomplish what is needed. But what did Jesus, and His sacrifice, do FOR YOU, that gave God, Who sent His Son for this purpose, to accomplished what He (God) needed to extend this grace to you?
COsorry,but i can not figuring out what you try to say to me,
could rephrase it ,and extend the explanation
Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2010,11:52) sorry,but i can not figuring out what you try to say to me, could rephrase it ,and extend the explanation
Terraricca.
The sacrifice of Jesus was to change you (and all humanity) in the eyes of God. In what way does God now see you, that is different than before His (Jesus) crucifiction?
In other words, you are a different person now than you were before His (Jesus) sacrifice. What has changed? What did this event (His sacrifice) do to you, that now has changed Gods relationship with you?Hope this explanation is understood by you.
Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ April 21 2010,17:57) Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2010,11:52) sorry,but i can not figuring out what you try to say to me, could rephrase it ,and extend the explanation
Terraricca.
The sacrifice of Jesus was to change you (and all humanity) in the eyes of God. In what way does God now see you, that is different than before His (Jesus) crucifiction?
In other words, you are a different person now than you were before His (Jesus) sacrifice. What has changed? What did this event (His sacrifice) do to you, that now has changed Gods relationship with you?Hope this explanation is understood by you.
Blessings.
CoChrist died for all the human race,this was to re conciliate men and God ,in this way we as men could once again talk to God our father in spirit,and so change our ways and fallow our shepherd Christ and transform yourself in to acceptable vessels to God,
this could never be done if Christ did not died on the stake,
yes it changed my live and now i live a life that God approves.
i live in the spirit not in the nature of the flesh.
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