All is of God…

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Quote (chosenone @ July 09 2008,16:05)

The title pretty much sums it up.     Is anything of Man?  So much is made up of how we are to behave, what we must do, and what we must not do.     Is anything up to us?  Can we do anything to save ourselves?     No, all is of God.  Anyone believe in their own ability?

I would say “through him”. Although “by him” can also mean through him.

e.g., To get to London from Wales you need to by the bridge. Same thing as through if you see what I mean.

If we go by a certain path then we are on a path that is between something. God created the cosmos. If he did it by or though Christ, then it means “God > Christ > Cosmos”, either way.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (t8 @ July 28 2008,21:00)

Quote (chosenone @ July 09 2008,16:05) The title pretty much sums it up. Is anything of Man? So much is made up of how we are to behave, what we must do, and what we must not do. Is anything up to us? Can we do anything to save ourselves? No, all is of God. Anyone believe in their own ability? I would say “through him”. Although “by him” can also mean through him. e.g., To get to London from Wales you need to by the bridge. Same thing as through if you see what I mean. If we go by a certain path then we are on a path that is between something. God created the cosmos. If he did it by or though Christ, then it means “God > Christ > Cosmos”, either way.

T8……..> Jer 10:23…> O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in (HIMSELF); it is (NOT) in man that walketh to (DIRECT) his steps.

1Th 3:11….> Now God HIMSELF, and our Lord Jesus Christ, (DIRECT) our way unto you.

There is a way that seems right unto a man but is a way of sin and death. The GRACE of God guides us in His Paths.

T8……peace to you and yours………..gene

[gollamudi]

Amen to that post. People who make Jesus another great God be cautious.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Grace is not automatically supplied.

Mt7
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Mt25
28Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

29For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

[gollamudi]

So do you mean the giver of grace is none but God Himself but not from any human will ?

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
God gives grace to those who seek it, through Jesus.

[chosenone]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 18 2008,22:39)

Hi GM, God gives grace to those who seek it, through Jesus.

Not so, He gives grace to whom He will.

Eph.2:10… For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.

[kerwin]

Quote (chosenone @ April 10 2010,13:13)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 18 2008,22:39) Hi GM, God gives grace to those who seek it, through Jesus. Not so, He gives grace to whom He will. Eph.2:10… For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.

Ephesians was written to the students of Jesus and not to outsiders.

[JustAskin]

Hi All,

Can I advise caution when attributing the attributes and rewards of the pre-chosen of God to ourselves, today.

Those who were chosen from before time are a special 'breed' of man who were and are, before during and after, Jesus' earth time, to be the humanlevel hand of God and Jesus, respectfully.

Think of the Prophets, the Judges, the Kings, the Disciples, the Saints, indeed, Jesus Himself (the Servant who was hidden in the shadow of the palm of God's ['outstretched right] hand and revealed in the fullness of time.)

These ones, except Judas, will attain all the privilege of life with Christ through the grace of God and their holding fast to the perfect example given by Christ of the word brought from His Father, YHVH God.

Now, this is not to say that others will not similarly attain such rewards as many examples attest, even the sinner on the Cross, truly believing in Jesus as the Son of God, attained rest in the surety of life on paradise earth.

My points is that we should not make claim to that which belongs to others but live only in the hope of such reward, but do our good works walking as best we can in the perfect ways of Christ's example and the human failings of the Saints.

[kerwin]

JustAskin,

You might want to reconsider stating “walking as best we can in the perfect ways of Christ's example ” as it speaks of human effort which scripture states is doomed to failure.  

We should instead walk according to God's best and that is done through faith and the spirit of righteousnes.

That is why Jesus taught what is impossible for man is possible for God.

Believe that God can do all things and will overcome our sins if we truly seek him and his kingdom.

[JustAskin]

Hi kerwin,

I am flumoxed as to your rebuff.

Is it wrong to advise caution to those who are claiming the winner's trophy while the race is still being run?

[kerwin]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 10 2010,14:36)

Hi kerwin, I am flumoxed as to your rebuff. Is it wrong to advise caution to those who are claiming the winner's trophy while the race is still being run?

I mentioned the only error I found in your post.   Those you are advising to be cautious are acting like fools and if they do not change their ways a fool's fate will awaits them.  To urge them to change is therefore a righteous action.

All I did was point out that you should trust in God who can do anything and not in yourself who is doomed to failure.

In my experience you must really watch yourself and read the signs correctly to tell if you are putting your trust in yourself or in God.  You can only do that with God's guidance.

As Jesus taught us, “ask, seek, and knock”.

[JustAskin]

Hi Kerwin,

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought you meant the whole post.

Just for further clarity, can you quote the part that you are disputing

Thanks.

[kerwin]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 10 2010,17:17)

Hi Kerwin, Thanks for clearing that up. I thought you meant the whole post. Just for further clarity, can you quote the part that you are disputing Thanks.

Just this statement of yours.

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but do our good works walking as best we can in the perfect ways of Christ's example

It teaches human effort which Paul rebukes in his letter to the Galatians.

Galatians 3:3(NIV) reads:

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Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?

It is God's effort through the Holy Spirit and not ours.

[JustAskin]

Kerwin,

Ok, maybe I just said it wrong but I agree that it is with the aid of God's Holy Spirit.

Thank you for pointing it out and allowing me to learn correctly.

[chosenone]

Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2010,18:23)

Quote (chosenone @ April 10 2010,13:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 18 2008,22:39) Hi GM, God gives grace to those who seek it, through Jesus. Not so, He gives grace to whom He will. Eph.2:10… For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them. Ephesians was written to the students of Jesus and not to outsiders.

Hi Kerwin.
I disagree, Paul was chosen, by God, to be minister of Christ Jesus to the nations. This included the Ephesians.
Ro.15:16 .. for me (Paul) to be the minister of Christ Jesus for the nations, acting as a priest of the evangel of God, that the approach present of the nations may be becoming well received, having been hallowed by holy spirit.

Blessings.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2010,23:33)

Quote (JustAskin @ April 10 2010,17:17) Hi Kerwin, Thanks for clearing that up. I thought you meant the whole post. Just for further clarity, can you quote the part that you are disputing Thanks. Just this statement of yours. Quote but do our good works walking as best we can in the perfect ways of Christ's example It teaches human effort which Paul rebukes in his letter to the Galatians. Galatians 3:3(NIV) reads: Quote Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? It is God's effort through the Holy Spirit and not ours.

KW
JA says;but do our good works walking as best we can in the perfect ways of Christ's example[/quote

you say;It teaches human effort which Paul rebukes in his letter to the Galatians.

how can you say that to what JA says??he says to walk in Christ steps.

what Paul talks about in Galatians is that they have some any way gone ashtray by fallowing other teachings,to fallow men's view.

Galatians 3:3(NIV) reads:

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Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?

It is God's effort through the Holy Spirit and not ours.

[JustAskin]

Hi Terra, I know that what Kerwin said was not entirely wrong. What I realised was that I could, like I posted back, have written it clearer.

Also, did you notice that I did not 'rebuke' Kerwin but merely thanked him and corrected 'an' error that I had spotted.

'Jesus said, “Philip, if you have seen me then you have seen the Father also!”' (Notice that Jesus did not say 'You have seen God', noone [on earth] God says, except Jesus, has seen God and God does not lie)
Then, when Thomas sees the wound in Jesus he says 'My Lord AND my God'. Jesus ignored, or understood Thomas' shock and, instead of 'correcting him' actually just answer 'Because you have seen me you have believed. Blessed are they who have not seen and yet believe'

Does this sound like Jesus is 'blessing' Thomas, as Trinitarians say, in fact, just the opposite, Jesus is adminishing him for only believing with his eyes when it should be by faith.
Thomas' error is left for future others to ponder and correct, or fail to understand through lack of God inspired understanding…
(How could Jesus have accepted Thomas calling him God when God, himself, says 'Noone has seen me, except Jesus'?)

[terraricca]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 11 2010,19:54)

Hi Terra, I know that what Kerwin said was not entirely wrong. What I realised was that I could, like I posted back, have written it clearer. Also, did you notice that I did not 'rebuke' Kerwin but merely thanked him and corrected 'an' error that I had spotted. 'Jesus said, “Philip, if you have seen me then you have seen the Father also!”' (Notice that Jesus did not say 'You have seen God', noone [on earth] God says, except Jesus, has seen God and God does not lie) Then, when Thomas sees the wound in Jesus he says 'My Lord AND my God'. Jesus ignored, or understood Thomas' shock and, instead of 'correcting him' actually just answer 'Because you have seen me you have believed. Blessed are they who have not seen and yet believe' Does this sound like Jesus is 'blessing' Thomas, as Trinitarians say, in fact, just the opposite, Jesus is adminishing him for only believing with his eyes when it should be by faith. Thomas' error is left for future others to ponder and correct, or fail to understand through lack of God inspired understanding… (How could Jesus have accepted Thomas calling him God when God, himself, says 'Noone has seen me, except Jesus'?)

JA

see it this way ,wen Jesus says if you see me you have seen God,could anyone see God and live? no
could any one see God ? God is a spirit,can spirit been seen ?? no
so then how can you see God ??Job 42:5 My ears had heard of you
but now my eyes have seen you.
Job 42:6 Therefore I despise myself
and repent in dust and ashes.”

did Job really ad seen God ? no,did Job lied ? no
Job has seen God trough the argument he ad with him.so in spirit (thought)(read Gods argument with Job)

and it is the same way with Christ and God.(it is trough Jesus accomplishments that we can see God,because he fortell from long ago things to come ,and christ came to accomplish them,do understand this ??)

So i believe thats, what Thomas realize wen he saw Jesus back in the room and spook to him in the way he did.

[JustAskin]

Hi Terra,
Absolutely right. I have posted a full post to WJ on this matter, I wasn't ignorant of what you posted. I chose not to add it because it wasnlt relevant to the issue at hand.

Thomas' utterance is ambiguous on casual reading, and I am certain that Jesus would have realised this but He chose not to make the correction. This has led others to adopt Thomas' startled kneejerk expulsion as a trinitarian truth that he was calling Jesus God, when a little Godly research would prove otherwise.

God is wonderful and impartial. He allows the Wheat and the Tares to grow together.
While it is young it is hard to know the difference. Only by treating each the same until they mature can you guarantee to see the difference and then cut down and burn the Tares after harvesting the Wheat.

By allowing the ambuguous statement, those seeking God's Truth will see the one side and those seeking somethung else, will not.

Then, after, hearing the Truth, if they cintinue to disbelieve – 'to do a Thomas and doubt the Truth… – their false fruit will reveal itself and they will say to Jesus Christ at that time 'My Lord Jesus, through whom is reveal my God' or put more succintly in a like manner: 'My Lord, in whom I see my God!'

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