Adam and Eve

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  • #3317
     wepps 
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    Hello to everyone, this is my 1st post.
     Ok a couple of questions 4 you all, if you can help me out:

    In the bible we all know the story of creation. Now does adam represent all of mankind? I have looked at various sources which say Adam is translated from the Hebrew 'Awdam' which means to blush, or turn red. This would suggest Adam was white. Can we conclude from this that that The creation of Adam was the placement of caucasions on this Earth? Or is this sort of information mere propaganda to give racists fuel?

    Bit heavy, I know… gratefull 4 any enlightenment.

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     MrBob 
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    The thing you should ask yourself is, who cares? Who cares if he was white, tan, black, etc? After all, we are all descendants of Adam, and unfourtunately inherit his sin.

    However, we can believe the gospel and receive the Holy Spirit. We no longer have to live by our sinful and corrupt nature.

    That is what we should be focusing on. I hope you understand. :D

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    hey wepps,

    from my understanding, adam means from the earth… um… this has been interpreted to me in two different ways:

    1) that he was created from the earth… this makes sense to me…

    2) that he was of a ruddy complection (earth-red colour)… i think this is a bit of a stretch… but i suppose it could also make sense – if you believe that all mankind came from adam, then presumably he was neither black or white, but somewhere in between…

    as i said, the interpretation 1) above makes a lot more sense to me, but from a logical perspective, our faith is rooted in judaism, and the jews (or abraham) came originally from the ancient kingdom of ur (southern iraq) where the ruddy complection is predominant even today…

    personally, i think racism is birthed out of the same prejudice as sexism and hierarchism – ie. man's need to feel better than his fellow humans, and to find any difference he can to justify this need.

    cheers,

    nate.

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     Sammo 
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    I remember coming across something interesting in biology once – apparantly there are 5 types of skin colour, depending on the combination of various genes.

    The upshot of it was that if you have two type 3 parents – directly inbetween completely white and completely black – it's possible, although unlikely, to produce offspring with any of the 5 types of skin colour.

    So if Adam and Eve (well, Noah and his wife, anyway) had type 3 skin colour, then that would explain why over time their offspring has varied from very white to very black.

    In which case, Adam probably looked like… a Jew!

    Sam :)

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    Thanks for the info guys, that answered my questions pretty well. And I suppose colour doesn't really matter.

    Hey Sammo, I see your a Christadelphian. I get usefull information about the bible from them through the post.
    :)

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     ringo111 
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    In the beggining, God created adam and eve.

    NoT!! adam and Steve.

    *hold the applause.(clapping and laughter continues)

    *bows, Thankyou , thankyou (blinds close)

    A tribute to many preachers. lol, rofl.   Ahhh, its so true.

    #3323
     Sammo 
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    Quote (Guest @ Sep. 09 2004,04:41)
    Thanks for the info guys, that answered my questions pretty well. And I suppose colour doesn't really matter.

    Hey Sammo, I see your a Christadelphian. I get usefull information about the bible from them through the post.
    :)


    That's cool :laugh:

    Take care wepps

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     NickHassan 
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    Quote (Guest @ Sep. 09 2004,02:21)
    hey wepps,

    from my understanding, adam means from the earth… um… this has been interpreted to me in two different ways:

    1) that he was created from the earth… this makes sense to me…

    2) that he was of a ruddy complection (earth-red colour)… i think this is a bit of a stretch… but i suppose it could also make sense – if you believe that all mankind came from adam, then presumably he was neither black or white, but somewhere in between…

    as i said, the interpretation 1) above makes a lot more sense to me, but from a logical perspective, our faith is rooted in judaism, and the jews (or abraham) came originally from the ancient kingdom of ur (southern iraq) where the ruddy complection is predominant even today…

    personally, i think racism is birthed out of the same prejudice as sexism and hierarchism – ie. man's need to feel better than his fellow humans, and to find any difference he can to justify this need.

    cheers,

    nate.


    Hi,
    Does 'Adam' mean from the earth?

    #13287
     malcolm ferris 
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    Any arguements that use the bible to support racism neglect to notice the fact that it says we are all made of one blood. (Acts 17:26)
    As science proves for any person regardless of gender, age or race can receive a blood trasfusion from any human being regardless of gender, age or race so long as the blood group is the same.

    #52210
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Adam means man.
    He was challenged by the old serpent as to whether he would be obedient to God at the risk of damaging his relationship with his new wife who had already taken the unwise path. He chose what seemed easier and lost his close relationship with God. He too chose to obey the god of this world and Satan relished that choice and his chance to frustrate God using men as tools.

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     TimothyVI 
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    God knows the difference between good and evil.
    How could Adam and Eve have ever been created in the image of God unless they too were able to discern between good and evil?

    Adam and Eve did exactly as God planned from the beginning.
    They ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    Everything is unfolding as God planned.

    Tim

    #52239
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Tim4,
    Does being made in the image of God demand we know all that God knows?
    Surely it is only by partaking of the Spirit of God that we can know the deeper matters?
    We know that something changed in man when he ate from the tree of that knowledge and that tells us he was not cretaed with such awareness.

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     TimothyVI 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2007,06:05)
    Hi Tim4,
    Does being made in the image of God demand we know all that God knows?


    Hi Nick,

    No, but it demands that we kow the difference between good and evil. For how else can we choose good over evil?

    Tim

    #52243
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Tim4,
    Loyalty and faithfulness demands obedience to those in authority even without moral knowledge.

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     942767 
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    Hi Tim4:

    My understanding is that Adam was in innocence before his fall(He and his wife were naked before God and they were not ashamed).  He was in the image of God in that he was a living soul or person with a mind, a free will, and emotions.  He had the freedom to choose whether or not to obey the commandment that God gave him, and by yielding to temptation, he chose not to obey, and learned through disobedience what was good (obedience to God) and what was evil.

    God Bless

    #52253
     NickHassan 
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    Hi 94,
    They were told by God what to do.
    Gen 2
    ” 15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

    16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

    17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”

    they listened to REASON AND LOGIC from Satan despite the reminder even by him that God had told them not to eat it. They wanted more UNDERSTANDING and control. They preferred to trust satan's logic and distrust their God's motives.  They disobeyed and and ate, then things changed.

    Gen 3
    ” 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

    3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

    4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

    5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

    6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

    7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

    8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

    9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

    10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

    11And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

    12And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

    13And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. “

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     TimothyVI 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2007,09:03)
    they listened to REASON AND LOGIC from Satan despite the reminder even by him that God had told them not to eat it. They wanted more UNDERSTANDING and control. They preferred to trust satan's logic and distrust their God's motives.  They disobeyed and and ate, then things changed.


    Hi Nick,

    and why do you suppose that God put satan in the garden in the first place, and then said “it is good”?

    How could people ever know that God was good and satan was evil if they never knew the difference between the two?

    How would they ever even know what good was if they never knew evil as a comparison?
    We can only know something in relationship to another. We would have no idea what light was if we didn't know darkness.

    It is obvious that God wanted humans to know the difference.
    Only God knows why He did it the way He did. But Adam and Eve did exactly what God intended.

    Tim

    #52262
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Tim4,
    Satan was before Genesis.
    Genesis is about the later visible creation
    Satan is a liar and a murderer from “the beginning”

    John 8:44
    Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    #52263
     NickHassan 
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    Quote (TimothyVI @ May 16 2007,10:44)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2007,09:03)
    they listened to REASON AND LOGIC from Satan despite the reminder even by him that God had told them not to eat it. They wanted more UNDERSTANDING and control. They preferred to trust satan's logic and distrust their God's motives.  They disobeyed and and ate, then things changed.


    Hi Nick,

    and why do you suppose that God put satan in the garden in the first place, and then said “it is good”?

    How could people ever know that God was good and satan was evil if they never knew the difference between the two?

    How would they ever even know what good was if they never knew evil as a comparison?
    We can only know something in relationship to another. We would have no idea what light was if we didn't know darkness.

    It is obvious that God wanted humans to know the difference.
    Only God knows why He did it the way He did. But Adam and Eve did exactly what God intended.

    Tim


    Hi Tim4,
    Did Adam and Eve hear God say not to eat of the tree?
    Did they show the respect due to their creator God?
    Or did they prefer independant thought?
    Did they need to know the WHYs?

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     942767 
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    Quote (TimothyVI @ May 16 2007,10:44)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2007,09:03)
    they listened to REASON AND LOGIC from Satan despite the reminder even by him that God had told them not to eat it. They wanted more UNDERSTANDING and control. They preferred to trust satan's logic and distrust their God's motives.  They disobeyed and and ate, then things changed.


    Hi Nick,

    and why do you suppose that God put satan in the garden in the first place, and then said “it is good”?

    How could people ever know that God was good and satan was evil if they never knew the difference between the two?

    How would they ever even know what good was if they never knew evil as a comparison?
    We can only know something in relationship to another. We would have no idea what light was if we didn't know darkness.

    It is obvious that God wanted humans to know the difference.
    Only God knows why He did it the way He did. But Adam and Eve did exactly what God intended.

    Tim


    Hi Tim4:

    I know you directed your question to Nick, but if I hope that it's ok if I give you my understanding.

    Obviously, if God made every thing that he made by Jesus His Son and His Christ, He foresaw that Adam and Eve would sin, but I don't believe that it is correct to say that they did what God wanted them to do.  

    God allowed because the ultimate end is good. We might say that Adam and Eve were tested and they failed the test.

    God also tested Abraham and He passed the test.

    God is wise and there are many reasons that I see why he allowed this.  First, salvation is by Faith so that it might be by grace.  It is not of works otherwise there would be some boasting by those who accomplished their salvation through works.  Secondly, we are called into a relationship with God, and it is a choice whether or not we want to be reconciled to Him and whether or not we want to obey Him.  As Christians we as the Body of Christ have the commission to go into the world and preach the good news of the gospel.  And this world is the refining fire.  We could not become like Jesus if we did not have some where to practice His Word.  It is good also because every man today will have to give an account of his life to God because Jesus has risen from the dead to be the judge of the living and the dead.  It is good when as a Christian striving to obey His Word I know that I am not condemned if I make a mistake because God can and will have mercy on me through the sacrifice of my Lord Jesus.
    The fact that we do make many mistakes as Christians causes us to be humble, compasionate, and merciful. There will be a new heaven and a new earth wherein will dwell righteousness.  There will be no more sin, death, pain, tears.

    These are just some reasons that I see as to why God allowed the present world beginning with Adam and Eve's fall.

    God Bless

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