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- September 5, 2014 at 10:28 pm#750448NickHassanParticipant
Hi KW,
And you are the judge of what is true?
September 6, 2014 at 4:04 am#750774kerwinParticipantNick,
If you are led by the Spirit then you are a judge of what is true and false.
September 6, 2014 at 5:39 am#751113GeneBalthropParticipantKerwin…….True brother. If a man is lead by the spirit of truth, he certainly judges all thing , even though he himself is not judged by others.
1 or 2:15……> But he that is spiritual judges “ALL THINGS” yet he himself is judged of no man.
Peace and love to you and yours…………….gene
September 6, 2014 at 6:42 am#751463NickHassanParticipantHi KW,
And you claim to be?
yet you rely on guesswork?
September 6, 2014 at 9:40 am#751879kerwinParticipantNick,
yet you rely on guesswork?
That is just one of your accusations. You have not given evidence to support it and there was no guesswork in the post you responded to by making the accusation.
There is no value in me claiming to be led by the Spirit as it is up to you to test the Spirit of what you hear and believe no matter what the one speaking says about whether or not they are led by the Spirit.
September 6, 2014 at 9:47 am#751896terrariccaParticipantGENE
IF SOMEONE IS LED BY THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH AND HE MEET ANOTHER BELIEVER THAT IS LED BY THE SAME SPIRIT ,THEN I WOULD
SAY THAT THOSE TWO HAVE THE SAME UNDERSTANDING AND BELIEVE THE SAME THINGS ,VERY LITTLE WOULD VARY IN THEIR PERSONAL TRUTH ,AND THEN OF CAUSE EITHER OF THEM WILL NOT JUDGE THE OTHER ,RIGHT ?
FOR THE SPIRIT OF GOD CAN NOT BE DIVIDED WITHIN IT SELF
I THINK SO
September 6, 2014 at 10:01 am#751944kerwinParticipantT,
I would say that they will come to the same understanding as they are both led by God and he is one.
September 6, 2014 at 2:06 pm#752126GeneBalthropParticipantKerwin………Correct, the spirit of truth will always guide the persons that it’s “in” into the truth, so there should be unity among all true believers. But no one except God the Father himself has all knowledge so we are constantly learning new trues. Paul tell us we now look through an obscured glass but in that day we shall all see clearly.
Peace and love to you and your……………..gene
September 6, 2014 at 2:14 pm#752128GeneBalthropParticipantTerricca……….Yes they will judge them, as being right brother. But remember what Paul said, “though I have ALL knowledge and have not LOVE it profits me nothing.
Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
September 6, 2014 at 2:27 pm#752131terrariccaParticipantGENE
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COME CLOSE TO GOD “WITHOUT LOVE”
IF YOU CAN DO ALL THE THINGS PAUL TALKS ABOUT ,THEN YOU MUST BE A GOOD IMPERSONATOR OF A TRUE BELIEVER ;
DECEIT COME FROM MEN AND THE DEVIL ;RECALL THE WORDS OF JESUS ;EVEN THE DEVIL WILL DISGUISE HIMSELF IN A ANGEL(MESSENGER) OF LIGHT ”
ANGEL =MESSENGER =EVANGELIST
September 6, 2014 at 2:30 pm#752132terrariccaParticipantK AND GENE
YES THAT IS TRUE BUT SO THE QUESTION REMAINS WHY IS IT THAT WE ARE SO DIVIDED ?
AND ALL THREE OF US CLAIM THAT HE IS GUIDE BY THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH ;I DO ,
WHAT ABOUT YOU GUYS ?
September 6, 2014 at 3:10 pm#752133kerwinParticipantT,
I leave to others to determine if I am speaking according to the words of the Spirit.
The message is the same as some, and maybe all, of us fully listening to the Spirit but instead pick and choose those things to believe. I do not believe it is a conscious action.
September 6, 2014 at 5:19 pm#752152terrariccaParticipantK
1Jn 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.
1Jn 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
1Jn 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.
1Jn 2:4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:
1Jn 2:6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.read the verse 2;6 and then think if it is according to your understanding ,it seems that this will and put a ravine between the truth and many others does it ?
September 7, 2014 at 2:25 am#752524GeneBalthropParticipantTerricca……….Do you apply your words to yourself, do yo consider you might be seeing scriptures the wrong way, and those you speak against see it the right way, people who live in glass houses should not cast stones brother. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………gene
September 7, 2014 at 3:49 am#752616terrariccaParticipantgene
first question you ask ,yes i apply everything i say to myself, your second question this could be true but only if i answer you with opinions and man made concepts of ideas ,
now if you think that the scriptures were written in a way that they need explanation then for sure you would not like that someone cast stone against your brittle glass cage ,
and your answer was not really a answer but more questions ,but try to see from above ,
September 7, 2014 at 6:24 am#752903GeneBalthropParticipantTerricca……..So why are you here, seeing you believe scripture does not need to be explained, you sure spend a lot of your time trying to tell us what they mean, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth Pierre. seems most of the time you simply us tell we are wrong and you are right, and then begin accusing, much like Satan does, while you tell us you apply those scriptures to yourself, your word seem to say otherwise most of the time.
When we quote the scriptures to you, you ignore them or change subject matter, so you will not have to admit you are wrong. You have bought into the biggest lie ever told humanity , that Jesus is a God himself, and he preexisted his berth on the earth, and all the time acting as if you understand the truth, you remind me of this scripture, “you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel”, now go figure what that means and apply it to yourself aslo.Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
September 7, 2014 at 7:41 am#753074kerwinParticipantT,
now if you think that the scriptures were written in a way that they need explanation then for sure you would not like that someone cast stone against your brittle glass cage ,
Jesus explained some of his own words. He did that with the parable of the sower in Matthew 13. In fact he states he speaks in hard to understand words on purpose in the same passage.
September 7, 2014 at 8:26 am#753198terrariccaParticipantGene
why are cursing and blessing through the post ;do you not think that it is you that speaks to much ?
September 7, 2014 at 8:36 am#753199terrariccaParticipantK
what you believe is yours ,what i believe is mine ;why is it that way ;?
it is for the us to be separated by our beliefs and deeds , for the true faith is believing in Christ ,right but what that mean its looks like many have different ideas on it ;they do not look at scriptures for their understanding but tell the scriptures what to say and what not to say ,
strange people
September 7, 2014 at 11:00 am#753317kerwinParticipantT,
they do not look at scriptures for their understanding but tell the scriptures what to say and what not to say ,
I think you have the essential idea but I would use God, Jesus Christ, or the Spirit instead of “the scriptures” as “the Law” and “the scriptures” are equivalent titles.
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