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Scholars differ regarding the correct name of Messiah. Some say Yeshua is correct. Some say Yahshua is correct, and some say Yahoshua is correct. The fact is no one knows FOR SURE which is correct. HOWEVER, ALL REPUTABLE SCHOLARS AGREE “JESUS” IS MOST CERTAINLY NOT CORRECT.
What about the original Greek word for “Jesus?”
Within the discussion of the first verse of the gospel of Mark in the book Wuest Word Studies in the Greek New Testament we find the following:“… Jesus Christ (Iesous Christos), Iesous, (pronounced yay'-soos) the transliterated form of the Hebrew word we know as Jehoshua, which means, “Jehovah saves;” Christos, the transliterated form of the Greek word which means “The Anointed One; …”
In the quote just shown the author is stating:The name “Jesus” comes from the Greek word Iesous.
The Greek name Iesous is a transliteration. It is not a translation!
The author admits that “we,” meaning himself and most other scholars, know that the actual Hebrew name of Messiah is Jehoshua (actually Yehoshua). This is an important point because it proves Christian leaders know “Jesus” is not the true name.
The “English translation” of such a name is Joshua (Yahshua).
So what does it mean to “transliterate” something? The Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary defines transliterate as:trans•lit•er•ate: to represent or spell in the characters of another alphabet
That same reference defines “translation” as:
trans•la•tion: a rendering from one language into another; also : the product of such a rendering
In other words, to transliterate a word from one language to another the scholar takes the letters (spelling) of the original language and replaces the letters with the corresponding letters from the alphabet of the language into which the word is being transliterated.
The New Testament translators accidentally uncover the error of the fanciful argument that “Jesus” is an “English translation” and therefore further expose the deceit of many that promote the name “Jesus”. We have already shown that “Jesus” is NOT the English translation of Yahshua's name. It can be further proven from the New Testament, and Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8 do so. Note the verses as rendered in the King James Version:
Acts 7:45 (KJV)
45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;
Hebrews 4:8 (KJV)
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.Now note the exact same verses taken from the Updated New American Standard Version:
Acts 7:45 (NASB95)
45 And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with Joshua upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David.
Hebrews 4:8 (NASB95)
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.In BOTH of these verses the person being referred to is Joshua – the servant of Moses that lead Israel into the promised land. The reason the KJV says “Jesus” is because it comes from the exact same Greek word, Iesous, and the King James Version translators apparently either did not catch the error or, more probably, chose to perpetuate Christianity's anti-Hebraic lie.
These verses help to further understand the difference between translation and transliteration. “Joshua” is NOT a transliteration, but it does come from the Greek word Iesous, which IS a transliteration. “Joshua” is a correct translation from the original Hebrew and is the actual “english translation” of Messiah's name. The translators CORRECTLY rendered “Joshua” because they knew it to be the TRUE translation of the original Hebrew name for the servant of Moses. In short, they ignored the Greek transliteration, Iesous, because they knew it to be faulty.
Now, the question for those that claim “Jesus” is the correct English rendering of “Yahshua” is this: if the translators of Scripture elsewhere, especially in the Tanakh (Old Testament) and also in most modern versions of the New Testament, CORRECTLY render the SAME Greek word, Iesous, as “Joshua” in Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8, why do they refuse to correct the false rendering of “Jesus” for the name of our Messiah? IT IS THE SAME GREEK WORD! The English equivalent of Messiah's name is “Joshua” (Yahshua), NOT “Jesus.” Why is Messiah's name correctly translated ONLY in the cases where it doesn't apply to him? Why does Christianity willfully refuse to correctly render Messiah's Hebrew name even when they correctly render the exact same Greek word in cases where he is not the one being referenced?So, what this shows is that even translators know “Jesus” is NOT correct. So, why is the most important name ever given purposely mistranslated and promoted by Traditional Christianity? Why is “Joshua” the “English translation of Yahshua” in most verses of Scripture (notably the Old Testament and everywhere Joshua is mentioned in the New), and “Jesus” suddenly the “English translation of Yahshua” in others? Which is actually the “English translation”? THE CORRECT TRANSLATION IS YAHSHUA!
Another VERY revealing bit of evidence can be seen from the fact that there was no “J” common in the English language until around the 16th century. Prior to that time, those words now shown with a J were pronounced as though the J was a Y. So “Joshua,” even in English, is proven conclusively to be “Yahshua” when the original Y sound is used. Thus, it is IMPOSSIBLE for “Jesus” to be anything close to the true name, because the “J” sound did not exist when he was alive! Did you get that? The name “Jesus” is proven to be incorrect simply from the fact the word “Jesus” did not exist until only 500 years ago because there was no such thing as a J in the language! This fact alone PROVES “Jesus” is a false name!
The issue is NOT, ” whether the word Jesus is pagan!” The issue is NOT how to “transliterate” Y'shua into Greek! The issue is NOT how to “transliterate” Greek Iesous into Latin! The issue is NOT even how to “transliterate” the Latin Jesu into English! The issue IS how to transliterate the real name, Y'shua, from the Hebrew, into English. We certainly don't need to go through Greek into Latin and then from Latin into English. Why would anyone want to take such a circuitous route, unless he's trying to “prove” the validity of the erroneousness, “Jesus?”
To transliterate the Hebrew Y'shua to English, we merely go to Y'shua. Thus his name is pronounced Y'shua both in Hebrew and in English – perfect transliteration. What could be simpler? Whether Jesus is a pagan name isn't what matters! What matters is the fact that Jesus was never the name of the Messiah of YHWH, whose story is recorded in the new testament!
And God is such an evil tasksmaster that He is real concerned about a matter of symatics. He judges by the heart not the language skills.
Get over it!!!The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit….
For he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Tortured beaten and murdered and he came knowing the outcome of his earthly life and he stayed and died for Me a sinner and All other sinners, so we could reach out to him and be forgiven and made clean and have eternal life…….
Thankyou Father
I know all things will be made clear, including (My own name)
I believe I have faith and I love you and pray for your return.
What have I to offer but myself, which I commit myself to your arms Father I pray Guidance and Wisdom, not of this earth.
(In the name) of the Father The Son and The Holy Spirit.
Amen
Y'shua Ben Panthera is the real name
Quote (Guest @ Jan. 01 2008,22:45) Y'shua Ben Panthera is the real name Is the real name of who? do you think that name is unique to one individual in time. You are steeped in you own decided controversy and what's more is you give validity to an obscure writing over what is already established.
Is the real name of who? do you think that name is unique to one individual in time. You are steeped in you own decided controversy and what's more is you give validity to an obscure writing over what is already established.To All………..Actually Jesus' real name in English is Joshua, and in Hebrew pronounced Yahshua . Guest was right. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………….gene
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.Looks to me like we have an option; Emmanuel, or JESUS.
Georg
1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.Georg
Quote (Gene @ April 21 2009,02:56) To All………..Actually Jesus' real name in English is Joshua, and in Hebrew pronounced Yahshua . Guest was right. IMO peace and love to you all……………………………….gene
Gene,
Why does it matter? He died for you and that makes Him the real “Jesus.”You guys are a trip.
thinker
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