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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2011,10:58) Hi Tim, I believe ALL the words of scripture. Even the ones where God has destroyed. It seems you are making up your own religion as you go along. And if that's the case, why bring Jesus into it at all? The God of the OT, who sometimes destroyed, is the One who spoke through His prophets about Jesus. And Jesus acknowledged that those prophesies were about him.
Tim, do you disregard Revelation – where Jesus comes as a mighty warrior with a sword coming out of his mouth? What do you think Jesus is going to do with that sword?
At any rate, thanks for answering my question. I was proving a point about Jack's prior post. And the point was apparently proved.
mike
Mike: As a person is born again with the spirit words of God through Jesus, the words are spiritually accepted in picture form…young men will dream dreams and see visions…Jesus spoke in parables and metaphors to create dream and visions on the canvas of the heart of man. This is the baptism of the holy spirit and fire!If one sees or understands the scripture in revelation spiritually he sees ….Jesus[the word of God] come to earth with great power in his mouth[spirit words of God] which he sends forth to all mankind to destroy evil thinking.[not brothers and sisters] His words are sharp like a two edged sword of spirit cutting the chaff [dead worthless doctrines] away from the wheat. He then binds the chaff [evil thinking]
and burns it. Then are the meek that recognized they could not make themselves perfect, only God/the truth/Jesus could make them clean, sinfree and whole.Jesus came to save the world from wrong thinking. Wrong doctrines. Darkness and sin. Error of thinking. Worthless religion that had gone the wrong way. Evil ways by works. Doctrines of self-purification by laws! No one can purify themself unto God by any laws. Jesus is the only way.
I'm sad when I hear people say I make up my own religion. I more totally recognize the necessity and need for Jesus in my life than most. Those that believe in a law for purification don't need Jesus and will never be pure. Those who accept Jesus and his gift of purification by faith don't need any law and they are made pure and perfect.
I didn't study the Bible for thirty years so that I could make up my own religion. Following a God of destruction will create the inner image of terrible destruction to come on earth.
Yet if anyone were to actually follow Jesus, the prince of peace, King of kings, Lord of Lords who says God is Love they would wipe out all physical destruction completely. Love does not destroy. Love does not break down, tear down, take away, kill, hurt, steal etc.!
If you find a God of love to rule your heart there will be peace! IMO, TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 27 2011,21:31) I didn't study the Bible for thirty years so that I could make up my own religion. Following a God of destruction will create the inner image of terrible destruction to come on earth.
Hi Tim,And I didn't study the Bible for two years to only take from it the parts that make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
"Vengeance is mine" says YHVH.
"God is love and won't hurt anyone" says Tim.
Tim, Jesus already came to earth and TALKED. How did that go over? Is our world a peaceful paradise now? Has evil disappeared from the earth?
No, this time he's coming as a mighty warrior and butts will be kicked, and many will lose their lives.
peace and love to you,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2011,20:46) Jack, You have quickly replaced JA/Istari's role here. You are now the one who feels the need to go thread to thread insulting me even if I haven't posted on that thread.
To both you and Keith I say, ANSWER THE QUESTION and that will be the end of it. But just for an example, even though this is off topic, let me ask you both a simple straightforward question. The answer requires only a YES or a NO. Let's play "CAN THEY DIRECTLY ANSWER MIKE'S QUESTION"? Can they? Or do you all, like me, already expect them to dodge the actual question and instead spout miles of unrelated OPINIONS about how Jesus can still be God and call the Father "my God"? And then they'll probably (Keith especially) post 47 scriptures in red letters that are suppose to "prove" that Jesus is God, even though they have nothing at all to do with the simple DIRECT question I asked of them. And maybe, somewhere in the middle of all the crap, they might actually answer the question, but I don't see it because I gave up looking for the actual answer after reading the first 500 words of their post. So I'll ask again. And instead of just saying "YES" or "NO" – even if it IS the second time they answered it, they'll post another 500 words about how they already answered it, and about how I'm an idiot to keep asking anyway. And in that second 500 words of insults about me asking the same thing over and over, they'll STILL neglect to put a simple "YES" or "NO" to actually ANSWER THE FLIPPIN' QUESTION!
How much you wanna bet they either do what I just said, or ignore this question and post altogether?
Ready? Here goes:
Does God Almighty have a God?
Okay…………GO!
No! No! No! God does not have a God, that would be ludicrous.So Jesus who is God according to the Spirit does not have a God but Jesus who is man according to the flesh, came into this world to redeem us to himself by the shedding of his blood.
Now since you have addresed the humanity of Jesus what about his divinity? The Father wasn't the Word that was with him and was God that came in the flesh was he?
Because you have chosen to reject the truths of the scriptures because you can't "Logically" understand the nature of an infinite God does not means it isn't the truth.
In fact you have been here how long and have not convinced anyone of your "lonely" theology that has no support by hardly anyone that has any credibility all the way back to the earliest of the Forefather?
Jesus is not just flesh he is also "Spirit", and in fact the scriptures says the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God.
So please try again mister. You run around making these lame claims and in every case I answer you, you either deny it or ask it another way. You see Mike none of my answers to you ever disprove the Deity of Jesus because he is both man and God, he is God in the flesh.
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2011,18:20) And I didn't study the Bible for two years to only take from it the parts that make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
No MikeYou studied the scriptures with the pre-conceived idea that Jesus is not God, tainted by the beliefs of the JWs which your family believes in.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2011,10:56)
No! No! No! God does not have a God, that would be ludicrous.
Correct. But JESUS has a God, doesn't he?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2011,10:56)
So Jesus who is God according to the Spirit does not have a God but Jesus who is man according to the flesh……..
But Jesus is no longer a man, Keith. Yet he STILL calls the Father "MY God", doesn't he?But thanks for answering DIRECTLY. I appreciate that. As you may have noticed, Francis couldn't answer that question with a simple "NO". In fact Keith, I'm impressed with you lately. I understand that you all have "reasons" why Jesus can still BE God while calling the Father "MY God", and I don't mind hearing them out. What I mind is when they don't do exactly what you DID do. You DIRECTLY answered a simple question that I asked, and THEN proceeded to explain your answer. That I can live with.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2011,11:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2011,18:20) And I didn't study the Bible for two years to only take from it the parts that make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
No MikeYou studied the scriptures with the pre-conceived idea that Jesus is not God, tainted by the beliefs of the JWs which your family believes in.
WJ
Hi Keith,Actually, I've studied the scriptures with you. I read the NWT and the NIV from start to finish – all by myself in my own home. Then I joined HN, and have since read the CEV and have made it to the middle of Exodus in the NASB right now.
I argue with my family about many things related to the JW interpretations. I follow no man, but am lead by spirit. I ask God for understanding all the time, and He frequently answers me by pointing me to a scripture I hadn't even considered. And the scripture He points me to always explains the conundrum I was having.
But thanks for your ASSUMPTION, anyway!
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 25 2011,07:05) On the "Setting Nick straight" thread in the "Member profiles" forum t8 said that something I said was "antichrist." I said that God was reconciling the world in Christ. Is not reconciliation in Christ? Yet t8 says that what I said is "antichrist." I was shocked.
KJ
KJ, here is that quote.
Quote KJ,
God was in Christ.
The alternative is that God wasn't in Christ.
And it doesn't say that God is Christ.The first line is right, the second one is antichrist, and the third is not written.
My advice: read things closely and understand what is being said before commenting and especially before saying that I called you an antichrist.If you can't get that right, then that diminishes confidence in other things you say.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2011,10:56) So Jesus who is God according to the Spirit does not have a God but Jesus who is man according to the flesh, came into this world to redeem us to himself by the shedding of his blood.
The glorified Christ in Heaven at the right-hand of the Majesty has a God. He says it himself.Believe Christ's own testimony or don't.
We also believe that there is one God the Father.
For us there is one God the Father. (We are US.)
For you there is one God the Father, Son, Spirit. (You are not US in that context.Mike: You remind me of when a couple of disciples(James & John, Jesus called them sons of thunder) came to Jesus and said, shall we call down fire from heaven and destroy them?….Jesus said, you apparantly don't know what spirit you are of! There is the spirit of truth/God and there are the illusions of truth/man. The spirit/words of God (the true God of LOVE) bear the fruit of love. Peace, love, joy, meekness, kindness, joy etc.! The fruits of illusion from man are anger, hate, force, take, grab hold, fight, destroy, conquer, control etc.! It is mans choice of which he chooses to live in. Not right nor wrong. You reap that which you sow.
You never even responded to the spirit interpretation I wrote. Partly because it doesn't make sense to you. You are picturing a physical war on a physical planet with spiritual warriors, horses, and weapons. Not to mention the two edged sword in Jesus mouth. If you think it as a physical war they would be no match against our weapons of destruction that we pride ourselves in developing.
Yet if it is a spiritual confrontation it could only be a word/doctrine war for truth. We don't fight flesh and blood, we fight principalities and rulers of darkness, lies and deceptions for truth.
When you pray and ask God for scriptures remember there are two sets. Gods' which is truth producing love and mans created lies of darkness which destroy. In whatever way you see your God you will see yourself!
The reason for the destruction and pain on Earth is generations believing in butt kicking and taking control. IMO, TK
Sorry Tim,
I believe ALL of the scriptures.
I believe the ones where God flooded the entire earth and killed presumably millions of people.
I believe the ones where God foretold about the Israelites boiling and eating their own children if they didn't repent. And what happened? All that God warned about happened and the mothers of His own chosen nation ended up boiling and eating their own children to survive.
I believe the ones that tell of God sending an angel to destroy 185,000 human beings in one night.
I believe the ones where God fought for His chosen nation and helped them to kill untold millions.
And I believe that when the souls under the alter are asking God how long until their brutal torture and deaths are avenged, He is not just going to "love" those who brutally murdered His servants. I believe He will deal with them justly.
Love is ONE aspect of our God. But make no mistake that He is also a God of exacting justice. He is a warrior like no other and will have His vengeance.
peace and love to you Tim,
mikeBless you Mike, you have chosen your god and I have chosen mine. I gave my life and heart to Jesus some 35 years ago and promised him I would follow him first and his teaching and then accept those that aligned with Jesus. Any scriptures that don't align with what Jesus said or did are trash to me!! Jesus is the truth about God who came at great cost to show mankind the true way to know God.
Jesus effectuated a NEW COVENANT between God and man. Why would you choose to dig up an old will that was completed by Jesus and is outdated and no longer effective? An old will that was proven to produce darkness, sin and death and created the need for a new and better one that could make the worshippers perfect!
The world was in a shambles of religion, death, destruction, sin and darkness. It still is today because of people that for what ever reason choose evil rather than life. If we all believe in evil, that is what we will manifest. If we all believe in peace and love that is what will manifest in the earth. Choosing evil happened from the beginning and it continues today. Man loves his macho, kick butt style of survival of the fittest that always ends in death and destruction. In the same way if Jesus were to come again to kill and destroy evil then
he and whoever were left would be killers, destroyers of life and evil. Love is the power that survives and continues to create. Love is total freedom with heart felt consideration for one another. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is justice. Love would forgive the mistake made to another and help guide the wounded man for the rest of his life.
Thank you God for revealing your truth in the New Testament, through Jesus, to peace loving peoples that wish to continue life!
It is contradictory to sign, "Peace and love" when you serve a god of vengence and paybacks! Maybe "justice for all" is more appropriate! TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 29 2011,20:40) Any scriptures that don't align with what Jesus said or did are trash to me!!
Matthew 13 NIV
49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.51 “Have you understood all these things?” Jesus asked.
Tim, Jesus wants to know if you've understood all these things.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2011,03:24) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 29 2011,20:40) Any scriptures that don't align with what Jesus said or did are trash to me!!
Matthew 13 NIV
49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
51 “Have you understood all these things?” Jesus asked.Tim, Jesus wants to know if you've understood all these things.
peace and love,
mike
Mike: Absoulutely, in every parable evil thinking or evil doctrines are destroyed, burned, bundled or taken away.Thank God Jesus came and cleansed us from all unrighteousness with the truth. We are saved from the fires of destruction through the words of Jesus.
Back up to V41,KJV….the son of man shall "send" forth(sm.grk.word as apostle/apostello) angels(messengers of God or the Apostles) and they will gather out (remove) from his kingdom (the truth of God) all "things" (logos, words,
doctrines)that offend (Grk."skandalizo": entrap, trip up, intice to wrong thinking, attempt to destroy the truth) and burn them with fire (destroy evil doctrines of unworthyness and unrighteousness)…..then the righteous (those left after the purifiing fires) will shine (be enlightened) in his kingdom/truth.
All of Jesus parables destroy or take away lies and deceptions from the truth of God. Thats the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and fire!! Being whelmed or immersed in holy spirit water.Eph.5:26
V38….the field is the world, the good seed (purified words of God) are the children of the kingdom (Gods words) the tares are the children of evil,lies,deception and the religious heirarchy is the devil/deceiver that sowd them….!
The war of the New Testament is a war of truth and non-truth. Gods words are absolute truth and the Jews/ the religious leaders were in sin and darkness. Their world was
about to come to end with the truth from Jesus. The end of the religious world. Thats why they wanted to destroy Jesus.
Do you understand Mike?
This is some of my opinion of the truth. Bless you, TKTim,
There's really nothing more to say at this time. One of us believes all the words of scripture and one of us doesn't.
I go through this with Adam too. In fact, I recently told him that he should get together with you and you guys can make up your own religion. Both of you only want to believe the words of scripture that are to YOUR liking.
peace and love to you Tim
And may God exact vengeance upon all of those who murder His saints. May they all pay dearly for what they've done to God's meek and faithful ones.mike
The words of God are given to us in a mystery, hidden in Christ. Jesus gave us the keys to unlock the mystery. A natural man cannot discern the truth of the words of God for they are hidden FOR the righteous. To be born of spirit is to understand the truth. God speaks to us in pictures and dreams or spiritual paintings on the canvas of our hearts. A natural man is one that, seeing (thinking he sees) sees not (the truth) and hearing (w/physical ears) hears (understands) not! This people draweth nigh unto Jesus with their mouth, and honoureth Jesus with lip service but their heart is far from Jesus. John15:8
V9: but in vain do they worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Wide is the door to destruction and many there are that find it. Narrow is the way of understanding truth and few find it.
I would say that the masses of non-believers that are dying from cancers, diseases, sickness, pain, suffering, lack, or any other form of destruction of abundant life is the very vengence you refer to. There is no peace and love there!
May the most high God of love as portrayed through Jesus, bless you abundantly with health and life and fill your heart with the joy of the lord through the truth. TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 30 2011,20:32) May the most high God of love as portrayed through Jesus, bless you abundantly with health and life and fill your heart with the joy of the lord through the truth. TK
Thank you Tim,And may God open your eyes to see that it is HIM, and not YOU, who decides whether or not you will be healthy or sick.
Exodus 4:11 NIV
The LORD said to him, “Who gave human beings their mouths? Who makes them deaf or mute? Who gives them sight or makes them blind? Is it not I, the LORD?Jesus said we can do great things through faith in our God. But don't forget it is God who has the final say about which things He will allow us to do and which things He won't.
peace on earth……….TO MEN OF GOODWILL, (is that better?)
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,01:59) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 30 2011,20:32) May the most high God of love as portrayed through Jesus, bless you abundantly with health and life and fill your heart with the joy of the lord through the truth. TK
Thank you Tim,And may God open your eyes to see that it is HIM, and not YOU, who decides whether or not you will be healthy or sick.
Exodus 4:11 NIV
The LORD said to him, “Who gave human beings their mouths? Who makes them deaf or mute? Who gives them sight or makes them blind? Is it not I, the LORD?Jesus said we can do great things through faith in our God. But don't forget it is God who has the final say about which things He will allow us to do and which things He won't.
peace on earth……….TO MEN OF GOODWILL, (is that better?)
mike
Mike: Perhaps you could tell me how a person could have faith to be healed by God if he doesn't know whether God chooses to heal him or not?Sickness=Death! God is life! If you believe God dwells in you then you believe life dwells in you. If you break down mentally or fear sickness or disease it will come.
Jesus told us to go in his name(authority) and heal the sick!
How could it not be God's will?The faith was of the people that Jesus healed. He said to all, your faith has made you whole, healed you, cleansed you etc.! There can be no faith if you do not know the final word!
God honors his words to those who believe. God has already given his final words, I give you life! Jesus is the final words of God. You either believe to receive or dis-believe to reject!
Mike, you are a good man!
IMO, TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 31 2011,21:29) Sickness=Death! God is life! If you believe God dwells in you then you believe life dwells in you. If you break down mentally or fear sickness or disease it will come.
Hi Tim,I believe you to be a good man, also. And I don't "fear" sickness. I know that all happens due to the will of God. How can you know that you dying of cancer or something isn't the will of God for the greater purpose? Maybe MY death from cancer will somehow bring 100 more to God? Who knows?
Jesus said, "In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”
You see? He didn't say "MIGHT", he said "WILL". The promise is not that we won't get sick and die in THIS world. After all, even Jesus died in this world. The promise is about being resurrected into a world where NO ONE gets sick or dies. So praise Jah in your sickness as well as in your health. Do your part to ensure that no matter what happens in this world, it will all be to the glory of our Father in heaven.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2011,13:42) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 31 2011,21:29) Sickness=Death! God is life! If you believe God dwells in you then you believe life dwells in you. If you break down mentally or fear sickness or disease it will come.
Hi Tim,I believe you to be a good man, also. And I don't "fear" sickness. I know that all happens due to the will of God. How can you know that you dying of cancer or something isn't the will of God for the greater purpose? Maybe MY death from cancer will somehow bring 100 more to God? Who knows?
Jesus said, "In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”
You see? He didn't say "MIGHT", he said "WILL". The promise is not that we won't get sick and die in THIS world. After all, even Jesus died in this world. The promise is about being resurrected into a world where NO ONE gets sick or dies. So praise Jah in your sickness as well as in your health. Do your part to ensure that no matter what happens in this world, it will all be to the glory of our Father in heaven.
peace and love,
mike
Mike: How could the will of love and life (God) be death by cancer?? The fruit of the spirit of God is peace, love and joy in the Holy Ghost. How could Gods will be death?Is the gospel or good news from God death? There is no death in life. There is no darkness in light. God has no sickness or death to give. It is never the will of love to
destroy life. Dying from cancer (or evil) is death ruling over life. If death can overtake life or God, then how could death by cancer bring people to God? Death would then be god!
The will of God is that you be saved from sin and death! Sickness is death in a premature state.
The world that Jesus was talking about was the religious world order of that time. Note that later in the scriptures he refers to "in their law" which was the Jews. He destroyed the religious world of that time, but not the "earth world" or cosmos! IMO, TK
Hi Mike
I must of missed this post. Even though it is late here goes…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2011,20:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2011,10:56)
No! No! No! God does not have a God, that would be ludicrous.
Correct. But JESUS has a God, doesn't he?
So why don’t you show us a scripture before Jesus took on the likeness of sinful flesh that says he had a God? But what we do have is…In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
That is a scriptural fact that you seem to deny.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2011,20:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2011,10:56)
So Jesus who is God according to the Spirit does not have a God but Jesus who is man according to the flesh……..
But Jesus is no longer a man, Keith. Yet he STILL calls the Father "MY God", doesn't he?
Prove it. If he is not also a man then what is he? Is he an Angel, a god, the God? What is he Mike? If he is not a man then why does he call the Father his God but not his Lord?Are there any scriptures that tell us the Angels call the Father “Their God”.
How can he still be our mediator if he is not also a man according to the flesh? Your doctrine is so whacked that you don’t even know “what Jesus is”.
Stephen who saw Jesus standing at the right hand of the Father said he was still the Son of man. (Acts 7:56) Paul called him a man after his Glorification. (1 Tim 2:5) Paul after his conversion preached “through this man (Jesus) the forgiveness of sins to those in the Synagogue (Acts 13:38) According to you, that same Jesus that ascended into the clouds and the Angels said will return in like manner is not that same Jesus? How do you explain that?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2011,20:50)
But thanks for answering DIRECTLY. I appreciate that. As you may have noticed, Francis couldn't answer that question with a simple "NO". In fact Keith, I'm impressed with you lately. I understand that you all have "reasons" why Jesus can still BE God while calling the Father "MY God", and I don't mind hearing them out. What I mind is when they don't do exactly what you DID do. You DIRECTLY answered a simple question that I asked, and THEN proceeded to explain your answer. That I can live with.
Good, then maybe you can answer a few “directly”.Do all things consist by Jesus?
If so, then explain to us how that can be if he is not God.
Is Jesus Almighty?
If not, then give us the definition of “Almighty” and prove it by scriptures.
WJ
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