A false view of matthew 4:4?

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T8,

Philippians does not say “he existed” it says “existing”.

“WAS existing” is clearly implied from the past tense form of the statement as a whole.

And to say “he was existing in the form of God” is identical to saying “he existed in the form of God”.

Mike,

I believe we are covering this elsewhere.

I know! Which was why I was stunned to see you use the same old diversion tactic against t8 in this thread when you've already agreed with me in the other thread that “was existing/existed” is implied from the past tense form of the statement as a whole.

Mike,

Yes, That is why I also wrote:

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This all occurred, as did the rest you write, before Paul wrote to the Philippians.

in my post to T8.

September 20, 2013 at 11:31 pm#358232

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And to t8's point relative to the following scripture in another restricted thread:

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John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

No man up to this point had seen or understood God's true character, but this man who is the Only Begotten Son, he has seen Him, and has made him manifest to humanity through his life obedience to the Father's Word.

Another dodge, if you ask me.

The POINT of t8's comment was that Jesus was the only human being to ever have “seen God”. And since he couldn't have seen God with his human eyes, and he said he had already seen God before he ascended to heaven, it makes you wonder when exactly he did see God.

Perhaps in heaven before he emptied himself and was made in the likeness of a human being?

Of course that has to be it.

Hi Mike:

When did he become the Only Begotten Son? This is not speaking of seeing him with the eye, human or otherwise, God is invisible.

If you will just read the scriptures, you might come up with the correct interpretation.

Love in Christ,
Marty

September 20, 2013 at 11:39 pm#358233

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I have learned more of the nuts and bolts of Scripture but the basics remain the same.

I think I have changed on becoming a better and more patient listener and overall communicator as well.

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but the basics remain the same.

that i have notice ;

foundation is the key ;to you you have none unless you believe that christ came from the father and so his not a man (by source of his live ,but the son of God that was with God in the beginning )

I believe that Jesus, and those that persevere in there belief in him come from above while those that reject him come from this world.

I believe Jesus is the Christ, the gift from heaven.

I believe Jesus shares in our humanity.

I believe God has provided a way for us to become righteous and holy as he is and that is to be out goal to do so by faith.

hi kerwin

you going to need more than nuts and bolds on this one ;

you say ;I BELIEVE ” THAT Jesus is the Christ”

BUT I TELL YOU ,YOU DO NOT ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES ,ONLY ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING ;LET SEE IF I AM RIGHT

DO YOU KNOW WHO CHRIST IS ?
DO YOU KNOW WHERE HE CAME FROM ?
DO YOU KNOW WHY AND WHEN HE WAS FORECAST TO COME
DO YOU KNOW WHO IS HIS FATHER ?
DO YOU KNOW WHO IS HIS GOD ?
DO YOU KNOW WHO SEND HIM ?
DO YOU KNOW IF HE IS JUST SOME THING IN THE AIR OR HIS HE A REAL BEING ?
DO YOU KNOW WHY DID HE REALLY CAME TO EARTH ?
DO YOU KNOW WHY HE COULD NOT COME FROM THE EARTH
DO YOU KNOW WHY IT TOOK THE POWERS OF GOD HIS FATHER TO BRING HIM DOWN ?
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE ALL SCRIPTURES AND THE WORDS OF CHRIST
DO YOU BELIEVE THE TESTIMONY OF HIS APOSTLES AS IT IS WRITTEN ?
DO YOU KNOW WHY HE IS CALLED “THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ” EVEN THAT WE KNOW WE ALL ARE SONS OF GOD ?
DO YOU KNOW WHY GOD HIS FATHER AS A SON ?
DO YOU KNOW THE PURPOSE OF HIS SACRIFICE ?
DO YOU KNOW THE PURPOSE OF HIS BIRTH IN THIS WORLD
DO YOU KNOW THE PURPOSE OF HIS MINISTRY
DO YOU KNOW THE REASONS FOR THE MIRACLES
DO YOU KNOW WHY HE WAS A FIGURE SO COMMON THAT IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZING HIM AMONG OTHER FOLKS ,?
DO YOU KNOW ALL THE DIFFERENT STEPS HE TOOK DURING HIS MINISTRY AND WHAT THEY MEAN ?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT ARE THE THINGS HE LOVED ?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT ARE THE THINGS HE HATE ?
DO YOU KNOW HIS FAVORED FOOD ?
DO YOU KNOW WHY HE IS LOVED BY HIS FATHER ?
WHAT DO YOU REALLY KNOW ABOUT HIS TEACHINGS ?
DO YOU KNOW WHY HE HIS THE CHRIST ?
DO YOU KNOW IF CHRIST SHARED HIS HEAVENLY PART WITH US INSTEAD OF WE SHARING OUR HUMANITY WITH HIM ?
DO YOU KNOW THAT HE EXISTED PRIOR TO HIS COMING TO EARTH ?
HIS YOUR CHRIST THE SAME THAN THE ONE SPOKEN OF IN THE SCRIPTURES ?

UNLESS YOU CAN ANSWER ALL THOSE QUESTIONS HOW CAN ANYONE SAY THAT HE BELIEVES IN CHRIST ; IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS SAYING I BELIEVE IN THIS STRANGER

Jesus Christ was conceived of Mary and born in Bethlehem, and yet he is also a gift from heaven. If I am talking in the sense of that gift I say the Christ came from heaven or the equivalent of saying the same thing.

If instead I am talking about the Spirit then I would say much the same thing with the words changing to apply Spirit and the flesh, i.e. beast.

You accuse me of not going by Scripture and yet I believe that Jesus was conceived in Mary and born in Bethlehem; both of which Scripture affirms. I also believe Jesus shared in our humanity and our mortality, as Scripture teach us.

I have yet to find the “new word” preexisting” in Scripture. It is a word some use to describe a teaching that is derived from the idea Jesus is God and supported by misinterpreted Scripture, as far as I can tell.

September 20, 2013 at 11:46 pm#358234

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Are all the other things Paul wrote about in that sentence PAST TENSE events? Yes. So since the statement AS A WHOLE is a PAST TENSE statement, it means that “WAS existing” is implied in verse 6.

And “he WAS existing” means the same exact thing as “he existed“.

Agreed?

Mike:

The Apostle Paul was looking back to the time of Jesus' ministry on the earth.

Love in Christ,
Marty

I disagree with that, Marty. But it seems that you, Kerwin, t8, and I are all in agreement that “was existing”, or “existed”, is definitely implied in verse 6 – since the statement as a whole was describing past tense events.

And since you, Kerwin, and the rest of the non-preexisters all believe that Paul was “looking back to the time of Jesus' ministry on the earth”, you guys shouldn't ever point out to us that “it doesn't say existed” – because even you guys understand that Paul was talking about PAST TENSE events, right?

I only mention this because whenever any of us use Phil 2 as a pre-existent proof, you guys don't really ever argue the validity of the point we're making, but instead always defer to the “it says existing – not existed” evasion. By doing that, you try to avoid addressing the actual point of Phil 2, which is that Jesus was existing in the form of God, but emptied himself and was made in the likeness of a human being.

So from now on, since ALL of us believe “was existing” is implied from the past tense form of the statement as a whole, we should never again have to have our Phil 2 arguments avoided by “it says existing – not existed”, right?

Good. That means we can move forward to the meat of Phil 2, instead of continually getting stalled by that “existing/existed” dodge.

peace,
mike

No, Mike, I have already discussed all of this with you. The Apostle Paul was looking back at the ministry of Jesus while he was here on earth, and so, yes, it is looking back at this, but saying, “who existing in the form of God…” in order to bring his intent to the fore which is to teach the church about humility using attitude of Jesus mind in his ministry as an example for the church to follow.

And if he was describing the attitude of Jesus mind, then he could not have been speaking of a pre-existent Jesus who did not become Jesus until he was born of the virgin Mary.

Love in Christ,
Marty

September 20, 2013 at 11:51 pm#358235

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I have learned more of the nuts and bolts of Scripture but the basics remain the same.

I think I have changed on becoming a better and more patient listener and overall communicator as well.

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but the basics remain the same.

that i have notice ;

foundation is the key ;to you you have none unless you believe that christ came from the father and so his not a man (by source of his live ,but the son of God that was with God in the beginning )

I believe that Jesus, and those that persevere in there belief in him come from above while those that reject him come from this world.

I believe Jesus is the Christ, the gift from heaven.

I believe Jesus shares in our humanity.

I believe God has provided a way for us to become righteous and holy as he is and that is to be out goal to do so by faith.

hi kerwin

you going to need more than nuts and bolds on this one ;

you say ;I BELIEVE ” THAT Jesus is the Christ”

BUT I TELL YOU ,YOU DO NOT ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES ,ONLY ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING ;LET SEE IF I AM RIGHT

UNLESS YOU CAN ANSWER ALL THOSE QUESTIONS HOW CAN ANYONE SAY THAT HE BELIEVES IN CHRIST ; IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS SAYING I BELIEVE IN THIS STRANGER

If instead I am talking about the Spirit then I would say much the same thing with the words changing to apply Spirit and the flesh, i.e. beast.

SO I WAS RIGHT ,YOUR CHRIST AND MINE FROM SCRIPTURES ARE NOT THE SAME ;

YOURS HIS A MAN , MINE HIS THE SON OF GOD ,THE ONLY BEGOTTEN THAT GOD AS ,

MY CHRIST CAME FROM HEAVEN FROM THE FATHER TO SAVE ME ,THAT HIS WHAT HE SAYS AND I BELIEVE HIM ,PAUL ALSO BELIEVED IT ,SO HIS PETER ,AND JOHN ,

I DO NOT KNOW YOUR CHRIST KERWIN ,AND THIS I SAY BEFORE GOD ,PEOPLE CAN BELIEVE WHATEVER THEY WANT THIS IS A FACT ;BUT BELIEVING THE SCRIPTURES MEANS NOT BELIEVING WHAT WE WANT BUT WHAT HIS TEACHES IN THE SCRIPTURES ;I DO LOVE MY CHRIST ,ON A PERSONAL BASE ,I LOVE HIS CHARACTER ,I LOVE FOR WHAT HE STANDS FOR ,I LOVE ALL HE DID ,DOES,AND WILL COME TO DO YET,

September 21, 2013 at 12:04 am#358236

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SO I WAS RIGHT ,YOUR CHRIST AND MINE FROM SCRIPTURES ARE NOT THE SAME ;

YOURS HIS A MAN , MINE HIS THE SON OF GOD ,THE ONLY BEGOTTEN THAT GOD AS ,

MY CHRIST CAME FROM HEAVEN FROM THE FATHER TO SAVE ME ,THAT HIS WHAT HE SAYS AND I BELIEVE HIM ,PAUL ALSO BELIEVED IT ,SO HIS PETER ,AND JOHN ,

Jehovah does not have young as his creations have young. His young are of his Spirit and his Word. Jesus is the Son of God, just like believers are sons of God. There is no reason to give the title son of God a different meaning when applied to Jesus that when applied to any other believer. Jesus is the Son because he is the chief son of God.

In many cases Scripture calls Jesus a human and even the chief son of humanity. Jesus came from heaven as he is both a gift from God and one who lived and still lives by the Spirit. His body was conceived in Mary and born in Bethlehem.

September 21, 2013 at 12:32 am#358239

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SO I WAS RIGHT ,YOUR CHRIST AND MINE FROM SCRIPTURES ARE NOT THE SAME ;

YOURS HIS A MAN , MINE HIS THE SON OF GOD ,THE ONLY BEGOTTEN THAT GOD AS ,

MY CHRIST CAME FROM HEAVEN FROM THE FATHER TO SAVE ME ,THAT HIS WHAT HE SAYS AND I BELIEVE HIM ,PAUL ALSO BELIEVED IT ,SO HIS PETER ,AND JOHN ,

YOU ARE AGAIN GOING TO INTERPRETING THE SCRIPTURES
BECAUSE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEM ,AND TRY TO CONVINCE ME OF YOUR HERESY,?

YOU DO NOT KNOW EITHER GOD OR CHRIST HIS SON ;IT LOOKS LIKE THAT YOU ARE NOT PART OF THEIR FAMILY ,

YOUR CHRIST I NEVER HEARD OF ;

YOU CAN TWIST THE SCRIPTURES HOW MUCH YOU WANT ;YOUR CHRIST IS A MAN ,AND SO CANNOT BE THE SON OF GOD ;BECAUSE HE HIS FROM THE EARTH ;

MINE CHRIST HIS FROM HEAVEN ,COMES FROM THE FATHER AND WENT BACK TO HIS FATHER ,HE IS SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF HIS FATHER ;

ANSWER MY QUESTIONS BUT YOU WONT ;AND THOSE ARE JUST FOR A STARTER ,

September 21, 2013 at 3:15 am#358249

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I am using Scripture and you are not. Scripture states Jesus was conceived in Mary and I believe it, you do not. It also states he was born in Bethlehem.

Scripture also states he is a human but you choose not to believe it. You want to make him more than human to justify your sins instead of overcoming them.

It clearly states he was made like his brothers in all ways so he can be a faithful high priest. Your words say you do not believe it.

September 21, 2013 at 4:01 am#358252

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I am using Scripture and you are not. Scripture states Jesus was conceived in Mary and I believe it, you do not. It also states he was born in Bethlehem.

Scripture also states he is a human but you choose not to believe it. You want to make him more than human to justify your sins instead of overcoming them.

It clearly states he was made like his brothers in all ways so he can be a faithful high priest. Your words say you do not believe it.

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Scripture states Jesus was conceived in Mary and I believe it, you do not.

i do accept that he his born from the virgin called Mary ;what i have said does not change that no matter what ;do not twist things ;

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you do not

this is not true ;

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Scripture also states he is a human but you choose not to believe it.

scriptures does not say he his human ;because it clearly states that he as no human father ,like all human have ;you never answer those question ;

being “LIKE “DOES NOT MEAN 100 % HOW COULD HE BE ?

HE AS NO HUMAN FATHER LIKE THEM ;SO KEEP INVENTING ,
YOU DO NOT BELIEVE SCRIPTURES PETER CALLED HIM “THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD “

WHICH OF HIS BROTHERS AS THAT NAME TELL ME KERWIN ,

TEACH ME WITH SCRIPTURES ………..

YOU SAY YOU USE SCRIPTURES ? WHERE ARE THEY

I WILL SHOW A FLOOD OF SCRIPTURES YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN ,EVEN DENY THE VERY SON OF GOD .

September 21, 2013 at 5:38 am#358258

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You are correct that interpretation does not make sense in the particular context of the passage that verse is in but when the context is different some believe that the word that men live by is the preexistent Christ.

those who believe that are dreamers ,and Me ,mike or t8 never said a thing like that ,I hope you did not had any one of us in your mind when you say that ,

John states that the Word contains life and certain individuals claim that Word is the preexistent Christ. That sounds like claiming that men live on the preexistent Christ.

Why are you not understand scriptures

THE WORD his the name of Christ in heaven ,Rev 19

And as the apostles written words says Christ ad life in him ,but it seems you do not understand those words ,

Why would Christ have Life in him Because it was his sacrifice that brings life to all men ,

Now wen Christ says that His Words are life or have life ,this is also true ,because it says that the ones that believe in what he says will receive life,and so are we if we believe in the words of the scriptures about him,

September 21, 2013 at 10:59 pm#358327

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This is not speaking of seeing him with the eye, human or otherwise, God is invisible.

Matthew 18:10
“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.”

God is invisible to us, Marty. He is not invisible to spirit beings.

Nor have you any reason to claim that Jesus was not talking about literally SEEING the Father.

We know he wasn't talking about seeing Him in a vision, because he said he was the ONLY one, and we know that Ezekiel, Daniel, and others have seen God in visions.

So what did Jesus mean by saying only he had seen the Father?

September 21, 2013 at 11:03 pm#358328

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Okay Marty. You think Paul was talking about us having the mind Jesus had during his ministry on earth. I agree.

Do you believe Paul was telling us that Jesus was existing in the form/image of God while he was a human being on earth? Was it at that time that he didn't consider equality with God something to be grasped?

September 21, 2013 at 11:20 pm#358329

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Okay Marty. You think Paul was talking about us having the mind Jesus had during his ministry on earth. I agree.

Hi Mike:

Yes, I do think that he was talking about Jesus being “in the form of God” during his ministry on earth and describing the attitude of his mind as humble although he was as God's Christ in that state.

That is why the Pharisees accused him of claiming equality with God when he claimed to be “the Son of God”.

But being “in the form of God” does not make him God, but he had the authority from God to forgive sins, for example.

I can give you the scriptures for these statements, if you like.

Love in Christ,
Marty

September 21, 2013 at 11:25 pm#358330

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Hi Mike:

So then Paul was talking about a time in the past when Jesus was existing in the form of God during his ministry, right?

So you realize that “was existing/existed” is implied from the past tense from of the rest of the statement, right?

We agree that all the things Paul mentioned in verses 6-11 had already happened in the past, despite the fact Paul used the present tense word “existing”, right?

September 22, 2013 at 1:02 am#358339

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Hi Mike:

So then Paul was talking about a time in the past when Jesus was existing in the form of God during his ministry, right?

So you realize that “was existing/existed” is implied from the past tense from of the rest of the statement, right?

We agree that all the things Paul mentioned in verses 6-11 had already happened in the past, despite the fact Paul used the present tense word “existing”, right?

Mike:

I already told you why that although he was looking back at the ministry of Jesus while he was on earth and describing it in present tense terms, and that is that he was using the example of Jesus life to teach the church about humility.

And so, he begins this discourse with the following statement:

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Phil 2
If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, 2 fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. 3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. 4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

He uses the past tense “was” and then describes the attitude of his mind in present tense terms.

Love in Christ,
Marty

September 22, 2013 at 4:17 am#358360

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So you realize that “was existing/existed” is implied from the past tense form of the rest of the statement, right?

We agree that all the things Paul mentioned in verses 6-11 had already happened in the past, despite the fact Paul used the present tense word “existing”, right?

YES or NO on these two, please.

September 22, 2013 at 4:34 am#358362

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Revelations 19 does not say that The Word is Jesus name in heaven. It says that at the time John foresaw Jesus would be named Faithful and True and called by the name of the Word. John was neither looking in the present or in the past, he was looking at a time in the future and speaking symbolically. You are going outside of what Scripture states, infers, or even implies.

Christ has life in him because a righteousness like God's comes through him to those that believe. That life is in Jesus Christ because it is in the Word first just as is written that man does not live on bread along but on the very Word of God.

Jesus' words are life because he speaks God's Word.

September 22, 2013 at 4:36 am#358364

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those who believe that are dreamers ,and Me ,mike or t8 never said a thing like that ,I hope you did not had any one of us in your mind when you say that ,

John states that the Word contains life and certain individuals claim that Word is the preexistent Christ. That sounds like claiming that men live on the preexistent Christ.

Why are you not understand scriptures

THE WORD his the name of Christ in heaven ,Rev 19

And as the apostles written words says Christ ad life in him ,but it seems you do not understand those words ,

Why would Christ have Life in him Because it was his sacrifice that brings life to all men ,

This is the context of my above post.

September 22, 2013 at 5:22 am#358366

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I am using Scripture and you are not. Scripture states Jesus was conceived in Mary and I believe it, you do not. It also states he was born in Bethlehem.

Scripture also states he is a human but you choose not to believe it. You want to make him more than human to justify your sins instead of overcoming them.

It clearly states he was made like his brothers in all ways so he can be a faithful high priest. Your words say you do not believe it.

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Scripture states Jesus was conceived in Mary and I believe it, you do not.

i do accept that he his born from the virgin called Mary ;what i have said does not change that no matter what ;do not twist things ;

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you do not

this is not true ;

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Scripture also states he is a human but you choose not to believe it.

scriptures does not say he his human ;because it clearly states that he as no human father ,like all human have ;you never answer those question ;

being “LIKE “DOES NOT MEAN 100 % HOW COULD HE BE ?

HE AS NO HUMAN FATHER LIKE THEM ;SO KEEP INVENTING ,
YOU DO NOT BELIEVE SCRIPTURES PETER CALLED HIM “THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD “

WHICH OF HIS BROTHERS AS THAT NAME TELL ME KERWIN ,

TEACH ME WITH SCRIPTURES ………..

YOU SAY YOU USE SCRIPTURES ? WHERE ARE THEY

I WILL SHOW A FLOOD OF SCRIPTURES YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN ,EVEN DENY THE VERY SON OF GOD .

I did not say born, I said conceived. You insist Jesus was implanted and not conceived and so you disagree with Scripture.

I am not twisting things as you did by changing conceive to born. I am saying that your doctrine that Jesus is not a human high Priests tries to make Scripture look like a lie because it denies we have a human High Priest, that is made like his brothers so he can be faithful.

Scripture disagrees with you that in order to be human a person has to have a human father. Adam has no human father and yet is human. In this age clones have but one parent and yet are human beings. It is an answer I have been repeating and you choose not to hear much as you refuse to believe Jesus was conceived of Mary as the result of a miracle of God by whom all things are possible.

All of them are called sons of the living God but only Jesus is the chief son of God. That is why the “s” is capitalized in English.

I do use Scriptures when I deem it is a good time to do so but it is your responsibility to test your life and your teachings not mine. My job is to give warning to you while testing my own life and teachings.

Now Hebrews state we have a high priest in heaven that was made like his brothers and Pilate called Jesus a man, John 19:5. We are also told Jesus is the man who mediates between God and the brothers he is made like and that man is Jesus Christ, 1 Timothy 2:5.

September 22, 2013 at 12:59 pm#358388