A false view of matthew 4:4?

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Quote (942767 @ Sep. 18 2013,12:34)

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,07:25)

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 18 2013,03:42)

Hi Wakeup:

You are not reading what I have posted, and seeing what the scriptures state. hJesus is not the first baby born on this earth, but he is the first baby born on earth who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, is he not? In fact there is no other that was born this way or will there ever be.

You tell me what Jesus was before he was born into this world. It was the sayings of God, and they pertain to Jesus, that was made flesh. When God began to create, he knew that a specific point in time he would have a Son through whom He would reconcile the world unto Himself. Jesus was foreordained and was in the heart of the Father from the beginning.

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1Pe 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

I have already showed you what Jesus stated relative to his statement that he was “the bread of life that came down form heaven”. Go back and read John 6 and you will see that he was speaking of the Word of God that God was speaking to humanity through him. He said he would give his flesh for the life of the world. It is through the life that he lived in the flesh that the world would be reconciled to God. And so, the body, the flesh, came from God in that he was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, and when God sent him forth in his ministry on earth God spoke to humanity through him, and it is through this Word that he obeyed without sin even unto death on the cross that we can have eternal life.

This is what Jesus said:

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Jhn 16:28
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

He came from the Father in that he was conceived by the Holy Ghost and the Word of God that he obeyed came from God. A person is defined by the life that he lives. And so, Jesus was made a life giving spirit through the life that he lived in obedience to God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty.

I understand what you are saying.

First of all in colosians v15 it says;the first born of every creature. Paul was speaking of his resurrection.
He was NOT the first person born on earth.

v.18 Paul said the *first born from the dead*.
He was the first born *again*.First born of the spirit.

In rev.1. He identifies himself as the Alpha and the Omega,
The first and the last. He created Adam and he was the one speaking to Adam/ and Abraham/Moses. He is the first. He also will be king for a 1000years in his kingdom on earth/He is the last,untill God takes over rule.

In rev.19 He is called the *Word of God*.

In John 1:1. He was the *WORD MADE* flesh.
He also said that he had glory with God before
the world was.Glory together in creating.

He also said that no man have gone to heaven except the one that came down from heaven.

The Word of God came down to earth in the form of flesh.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
(He will rule in his kingdom).

and his name shall be called
*Wonderful, Counsellor*, *The mighty God*,
*The everlasting Father*,
*The Prince of Peace*.
(Is there a God beside me? No there is no God).

God did *NOT* bring forth a new person
to speak through him.
But one whom created all things.
The word of God.

Beside me there is *NO* saviour.(NO NEW PERSON).
Because HE IS THE WORD OF GOD HIMSELF.
HE IS GODS RIGHT HAND,WHICH IS PART
OF GOD.

RIGHT HAND; SIMPLY BECAUSE HE DID ALL THE WORK.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

The scripture states that Jesus is both the “firstborn of every creature”, and that he is the firstborn again from the dead. And so, yes, he is the firstborn of God of every creature, every man, and he is the firstborn from the dead. He God raised him from the dead.

He is not God and therefore, he is not the creator, since the scriptures state that God created everything by Himself, although, He did know from the beginning that it would be through Jesus that His plan for humanity would be fulfilled.

Let's take a look at Rev. 1 to see to whom rev. 1:8 is making reference, when it states I am the Alpha and Omega…

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Rev 1:4
John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Rev 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Rev 1:4 is speaking about God, and verse 5 says Jesus, and so according to the scripture from God and from Jesus, correct?

And rev 1:4 states about God, if we can agree that is is about God, Grace and peace unto you, from him which is, which was, and which is to come[/Quote]

And rev. 1:8 states:

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Rev 1:8

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b[

Again, we have “which is, and which was, and which is to comel”, as in verse 4 above, and we have seen that scripture is speaking about God”, and Jesus is not “the Almighty”, and so I am not sure that Rev 1:8 is speaking about Jesus, but about God being the Alpha and Omega.

And we have this in rev 4 &5

Revelation 4:8
And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come

(This is speaking about God, and rev 1:4 is speaking about God, and so rev 1:8 which uses the same phrase, “which is, which was, which is to come”, must also refer to God.)

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Rev 4:10
The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.[/size ]
Rev 5:1
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
Rev 5:2
And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
Rev 5:3
And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:4
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:5
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Rev 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Rev 5:7
And he(Jesus) came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Rev 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Rev 5:9
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev. 4:11 states that God created everything and that he created everything for His pleasure.

To be sure, Jesus does say that he is “Alpha and Omega” in Rev 1:11, but he does not say that he is “The Alpha and Omega”. Alpha and Omega means the first and the last, and he is probably using it in the fact that he is the firstborn again from the dead and is now eternal.

Here is the scripture to support this thinking:

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17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

I thought we already agreed that the Word of God was another way of saying “the sayings of God”. Hebrews 1 states that God has spoken to humanity through His Son in these last days. The sayings of God, the Word of God, is that which God has spoken through Jesus.

Isaiah 9:6 states For unto us a child is born And so, who is the child that was born who is now at the right hand of God with all power over heaven and earth given unto him.

“His name is called”, no, not “he is called”, Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

These of elements of Jesus character through the life that he lived in obedience to God.

And so, he stated that we have seen him we have seen the Father's character manifest through the works that the Father was doing through him.

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John 14:9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Without God there is no savior, and that is true. Without God this world and nothing it exists. It is Him who has given us His Only Begotten Son.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

He is definitely at God's right hand now.

Hebrews 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty.

The Word of God is not just words like ours.
His Word is alive,a living Word with the power to create.
He **brought forth** His Word as a living being.
With all wisdom and knowledge and truth.
With his wisdom He created all things.

They both communicated with each other.
This may seem weird to our understanding,but thats how He had glory with God before the world was.God wants it, and He does the work.

God can do anything and everything.
The word of God spoke to Adam.
The word of God came down in the form of an angel
and visited Abraham,ate and drank.
He also came down as Melchizedek.

The Word of God said:in gen. behold;they have become like **one of us**: and Jesus said in John 10:34. Is it not written in your law,**I SAID** ye are gods;this was before he was
born in the flesh.

He also said in john 16:27.28. I *came out* from God
I *came forth* from the father.
John 17:8. that I came *OUT* from thee
The ,Word was brought forth *OUT* of God,
before the world was.
This is why God says that there is no saviour beside me.
And there is no God beside me.

Some will say Jesus is God;yes, but not good enough.
Jesus is the *WORD OF GOD*.
Gods Word can not do anything of His own will, unless power is given unto him.

We are created in the image of God;therefore our word
can also have power,we command, and the wor
k is done.
With just words we can spoil a persons day,or make a persons day.

wakeup.

September 18, 2013 at 10:07 am#358001

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BOY ,BOY, DID YOU EVER READ THE SCRIPTURES

IF YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR GIBBERISH ,IT IS THE GREATEST MYSTERY TO ME ;I HAVE NO CLUE OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ,IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF BABYLON ,CONFUSION ;

MARTY DOES NOT WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT CHRIST HIS “THE WORD” OF GOD (SPOKESPERSON) BETWEEN GOD AND HIS CREATION ,

AND IT SEEMS YOU DO NOT EITHER RIGHT

September 18, 2013 at 1:31 pm#358014

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,21:07)

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BOY ,BOY, DID YOU EVER READ THE SCRIPTURES

IF YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR GIBBERISH ,IT IS THE GREATEST MYSTERY TO ME ;I HAVE NO CLUE OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ,IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF BABYLON ,CONFUSION ;

MARTY DOES NOT WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT CHRIST HIS “THE WORD” OF GOD (SPOKESPERSON) BETWEEN GOD AND HIS CREATION ,

AND IT SEEMS YOU DO NOT EITHER RIGHT

I know Terra,all that is too much
for you to understand at this moment.
Maybe in another 40 years you can start discussing the deeper mysteries of God.

wakeup.

September 18, 2013 at 2:53 pm#358016

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Hi Wakeup:

I will just post the following scriptures, and let you decide. Yes, Jesus is the bread of life that came down from heaven.

Jesus said the following:

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John 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

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John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

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John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

And so when there was murmering because they did not understand Jesus statement regarding eating his flesh and drinking his blood, he let the disciples know what he meant by this, saying:

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John6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

And so, it is the words that he was speaking to humanity or rather that God was speaking through him to humanity is what talking about eating when he said that those who eat his flesh and drink his blood would have eternal life.

The body of Christ came from God, and scriptures told us how that happened, and it was God who spoke to humanity through Jesus Hebrews 1 tells us that, and so, the body of Christ, is the Holy temple of God. Jesus is not the origin of the Word of God, but through the application of this Word in his life, he has become this life giving spirit.

Now then this is what he said:

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John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak

Love in Christ,
Marty

September 18, 2013 at 3:12 pm#358017

GeneBalthrop

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Marty……You have posted it right,and I believe Wakeup agrees with you to brother.

Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene

September 18, 2013 at 3:14 pm#358018

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Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,16:21)

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 18 2013,12:34)

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,07:25)

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 18 2013,03:42)

Hi Wakeup:

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This is what Jesus said:

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Jhn 16:28
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty.

I understand what you are saying.

First of all in colosians v15 it says;the first born of every creature. Paul was speaking of his resurrection.
He was NOT the first person born on earth.

v.18 Paul said the *first born from the dead*.
He was the first born *again*.First born of the spirit.

In rev.19 He is called the *Word of God*.

In John 1:1. He was the *WORD MADE* flesh.
He also said that he had glory with God before
the world was.Glory together in creating.

He also said that no man have gone to heaven except the one that came down from heaven.

The Word of God came down to earth in the form of flesh.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
(He will rule in his kingdom).

and his name shall be called
*Wonderful, Counsellor*, *The mighty God*,
*The everlasting Father*,
*The Prince of Peace*.
(Is there a God beside me? No there is no God).

God did *NOT* bring forth a new person
to speak through him.
But one whom created all things.
The word of God.

Beside me there is *NO* saviour.(NO NEW PERSON).
Because HE IS THE WORD OF GOD HIMSELF.
HE IS GODS RIGHT HAND,WHICH IS PART
OF GOD.

RIGHT HAND; SIMPLY BECAUSE HE DID ALL THE WORK.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

Let's take a look at Rev. 1 to see to whom rev. 1:8 is making reference, when it states I am the Alpha and Omega…

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Rev 1:4 is speaking about God, and verse 5 says Jesus, and so according to the scripture from God and from Jesus, correct?

And rev 1:4 states about God, if we can agree that is is about God, Grace and peace unto you, from him which is, which was, and which is to come

And rev. 1:8 states:

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Rev 1:8

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b[

And we have this in rev 4 &5

(This is speaking about God, and rev 1:4 is speaking about God, and so rev 1:8 which uses the same phrase, “which is, which was, which is to come”, must also refer to God.)

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Rev. 4:11 states that God created everything and that he created everything for His pleasure.

Here is the scripture to support this thinking:

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17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Isaiah 9:6 states For unto us a child is born And so, who is the child that was born who is now at the right hand of God with all power over heaven and earth given unto him.

“His name is called”, no, not “he is called”, Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

These of elements of Jesus character through the life that he lived in obedience to God.

And so, he stated that we have seen him we have seen the Father's character manifest through the works that the Father was doing through him.

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John 14:9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Without God there is no savior, and that is true. Without God this world and nothing it exists. It is Him who has given us His Only Begotten Son.

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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

He is definitely at God's right hand now.

Hebrews 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty.

They both communicated with each other.
This may seem weird to our understanding,but thats how He had glory with God before the world was.God wants it, and He does the work.

God can do anything and everything.
The word of God spoke to Adam.
The word of God came down in the form of an angel
and visited Abraham,ate and drank.
He also came down as Melchizedek.

The Word of God said:in gen. behold;they have become like **one of us**: and Jesus said in John 10:34. Is it not written in your law,**I SAID** ye are gods;this was before he was
born in the flesh.

He also said in john 16:27.28. I *came out* from God
I *came forth* from the father.
John 17:8. that I came *OUT* from thee
The ,Word was brought forth *OUT* of God,
before the
world was.
This is why God says that there is no saviour beside me.
And there is no God beside me.

Some will say Jesus is God;yes, but not good enough.
Jesus is the *WORD OF GOD*.
Gods Word can not do anything of His own will, unless power is given unto him.

We are created in the image of God;therefore our word
can also have power,we command, and the work is done.
With just words we can spoil a persons day,or make a persons day.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

I can't even begin to reply to this post. You are just not reading the scriptures that I have give you.

The Only One who can give us eternal life is God and He has given us that life, and the scriptures state:

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1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

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1.John 5:26
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Love in Christ,
Marty

September 18, 2013 at 3:20 pm#358019

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 19 2013,02:12)

Marty……You have posted it right,and I believe Wakeup agrees with you to brother.

Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene

Hi Gene:

I hope that we are making progress, so that we can all teach the Word of God in truth.

Love in Christ,
Marty

September 18, 2013 at 4:16 pm#358023

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Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,19:31)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,21:07)

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BOY ,BOY, DID YOU EVER READ THE SCRIPTURES

IF YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR GIBBERISH ,IT IS THE GREATEST MYSTERY TO ME ;I HAVE NO CLUE OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ,IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF BABYLON ,CONFUSION ;

MARTY DOES NOT WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT CHRIST HIS “THE WORD” OF GOD (SPOKESPERSON) BETWEEN GOD AND HIS CREATION ,

AND IT SEEMS YOU DO NOT EITHER RIGHT

I know Terra,all that is too much
for you to understand at this moment.
Maybe in another 40 years you can start discussing the deeper mysteries of God.

wakeup.

ONLY TOTALLY PEOPLE DEPRIVED OF THE TOTAL TRUTH OF GOD'S UNDERSTANDING ,CAN SAY THINGS LIKE THAT ,

THEIR EGO ,KILLS THEIR OWN TROTH ,AND BREATHE NO MORE ,THEIR JEALOUSY,KILLS THEIR EYES SO THAT THEY WOULD REFUSE TO SEE THE TRUTH OF GOD ,

EGO + JEALOUSY IS THE RIGHT COMBINATION IN INGREDIENTS TO PRODUCE HATE FOR WHAT IS TRUTH,

AND SO KILLS THE TRUTH AND INSULTS THOSE WHO PROCLAIM IT ,

I RUN TIRED OF YOUR INSULTS ,WAKEUP

September 18, 2013 at 4:25 pm#358025

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Quote (942767 @ Sep. 19 2013,01:53)

Hi Wakeup:

I will just post the following scriptures, and let you decide. Yes, Jesus is the bread of life that came down from heaven.

Jesus said the following:

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John 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

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John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

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And so when there was murmering because they did not understand Jesus statement regarding eating his flesh and drinking his blood, he let the disciples know what he meant by this, saying:

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John6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Now then this is what he said:

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John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty.

I have read all your scriptures.

If Jesus was just a spokesman created by God.
To just speak on Gods behalf.(like the prophets).
Then we have two in heaven.Only that God was from everlasting;and Jesus not from everlasting,because his life started when he was born.(no existence prior to birth).

Therefore this scripture *can not* apply.
*BESIDE ME THERE IS NO SAVIOUR*.
WHO THEN IS THE MAN JESUS;THAT WE WORSHIP?
The angels are commanded to worship him also.(heb. 1).

*No man* has gone to haeven,but *HE* that CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.
HE came down from heaven,but he was then the *Word*
of God. For no flesh can survive in heaven.

He/Word came down in the form of the flesh.
The same Word made flesh and was named Jesus.
His life did not start at birth. For he was before all things.

I am Alpa and Omega the beginning and the end.(God has no beginning).
The first and the last;(God is from everlasting). I am he that lived and was dead.(God that binds the universe can not die; or all go haywire).
I am alive forevermore.(the universe was not without the creator for 3days).There would be chaos,because it is his spirit that binds all together.

The Word/a Being, that came out of God humbled himself
came down as a man, and suffered death.

You are very close,but not yet.

wakeup.

September 18, 2013 at 4:29 pm#358026

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 19 2013,02:12)

Marty……You have posted it right,and I believe Wakeup agrees with you to brother.

Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene

Hi Gene.

You are also interested in this
which is good. This is the deep things of God.
A mystery that can not be understood by the world.
Marty will get there soon enough.

wakeup.

September 18, 2013 at 9:48 pm#358037

kerwin

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The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.

The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.

Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.

The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.

It all ties together.

Good one Kerwin.

We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?

WHY DO THOSE THAT SAYS TO BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES FIND THEMSELVES RE INTERPRETING ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ,

AND BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SERVED GOD ,???

HOW MUCH CAN SOMEONE DECEITNESS GET ,SO THAT HE AS TURNED TOTALLY BLIND AS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD

Are you claiming the Spirit of Christ is not Jesus Christ's Spirit?

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT “THE SPIRIT THAT WAS IN CHRIST THAT COULD ALSO BE IN US ” WOULD BE JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF ???NO

No, I do not believe the Spirit of Christ is either Jesus or his soul.
Yes, I do believe the Spirit of Christ is the incorporation of the godly desires that Jesus chose to follow.

Note: incorporation seems the correct word as the righteous desires are assembled together into a whole.

September 19, 2013 at 1:36 am#358064

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The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.

The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.

Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.

The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.

It all ties together.

Good one Kerwin.

We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?

WHY DO THOSE THAT SAYS TO BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES FIND THEMSELVES RE INTERPRETING ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ,

AND BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SERVED GOD ,???

HOW MUCH CAN SOMEONE DECEITNESS GET ,SO THAT HE AS TURNED TOTALLY BLIND AS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD

Are you claiming the Spirit of Christ is not Jesus Christ's Spirit?

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT “THE SPIRIT THAT WAS IN CHRIST THAT COULD ALSO BE IN US ” WOULD BE JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF ???NO

No, I do not believe the Spirit of Christ is either Jesus or his soul.
Yes, I do believe the Spirit of Christ is the incorporation of the godly desires that Jesus chose to follow.

Note: incorporation seems the correct word as the righteous desires are assembled together into a whole.

IT SEEMS THAT YOU FIND A NEW WORD TO BE INJECTED IN YOUR NEW BELIEVE ;THE STRANGE THING OF IT ALL ,WAS THIS WORD EVER USED BY THE WRITERS YES OR NO

IF YES ;I NEVER SAW IT BEFORE ?
IF NO ;WHY ARE YOU USE IT ;FOR CHANGING THE REAL MEANING OF WHAT IS WRITTEN ?

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Note: incorporation seems the correct word as the righteous desires are assembled together into a whole.

WHAT SEEMS RIGHT TO MEN IS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS IN THE EYES OF GOD ;

YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN SCRIPTURES AND LIKE TO CHANGE GOD'S WORDS TO A MORE CONVENIENT APPROACH IN WORDS THAT YOU LIKE ,

YOU ARE SO ALIKE TO THE DOCTORS OF THE LAW AND THE PHARISEES IN JESUS TIME ,JUST A SPIT IMAGE

September 19, 2013 at 1:59 am#358066

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Hi Wakeup:

Who said that Jesus was only God's spokesman? He is that. But this is what God our Father revealed to humanity, saying:

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Mat 16:13
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Mat 16:14
And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Mat 16:15
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven

He said that “he is the way, the truth, and the life and no man can come to the Father but through him. (John 14)

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1Jo 5:9
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1Jo 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

But no, he did not pre-exist in some other form of sentient person prior to his birth into this world. He is from everlasting, because when God began to create, He created everything that He created knowing that a particular point in time Jesus would be conceived of the Holy Ghost and born into this world, and that through him, His plan to reconcile the world unto Himself would be fulfilled.

Wakeup, I have already showed you that the Word of God is the Sayings of God, and I have given you scripture to show that it was God the Father speaking through His Son in this latter day. But he obeyed the Word of God without sin even unto death on the cross, and so, he has become through this Word of God a life giving spirit, and so, I believe that one can say that he has become the Word of God in that a person is defined by the life that he lives, and he obeyed the Word of God without sin even unto death of the cross. But the Word of God originated from the Father.

You say that he said that “man has ascended into heaven”, but He that came down from heaven. Well, if you read closely he said “no man”, and if he pre-existed his birth into this world, and I know he did not, he definitely did not pre-exist as a man.

And we know, that there were two others who did ascend into heaven according to the scriptures, and that is Enoch and Elijah, but there was no man that had ever ascended into heaven after dying a physical death, because the wages of sin is death, and we know that all men have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God. It was he that would be the “firstborn again from the dead”, and would ascend into heaven.

He did not say that he was THE ALPHA AND OMEGA. He did say “I am Alpha and Omega” which means that he was “the first and the last” and I gave you scripture to show what he meant by this, but you apparently did not read it and so, I will post it again.

This is where he said that he was “Alpha and Omega”:

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John 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

And he explains this here:

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1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Alpha and Omega means “first and last”. He states this above.

I am not sure that I am understanding what you mean by “the world was not without a creator for three days”. Jesus was dead, he said that he was, but no, he is not the creator. I will post this scripture for you again.

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Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,

10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

You say:

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The Word/a Being, that came out of God humbled himself
came down as a man, and suffered death.

This is a supposition on your part. Please show me scripture for the above statement.

I have already discussed all of this with you. The Word, meaning the Word of God, are the “Sayings of God”.

Love in Christ,
Marty

September 19, 2013 at 3:49 am#358072

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The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.

The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.

Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.

The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.

It all ties together.

Good one Kerwin.

We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?

WHY DO THOSE THAT SAYS TO BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES FIND THEMSELVES RE INTERPRETING ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ,

AND BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SERVED GOD ,???

HOW MUCH CAN SOMEONE DECEITNESS GET ,SO THAT HE AS TURNED TOTALLY BLIND AS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD

Are you claiming the Spirit of Christ is not Jesus Christ's Spirit?

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT “THE SPIRIT THAT WAS IN CHRIST THAT COULD ALSO BE IN US ” WOULD BE JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF ???NO

No, I do not believe the Spirit of Christ is either Jesus or his soul.
Yes, I do believe the Spirit of Christ is the incorporation of the godly desires that Jesus chose to follow.

Note: incorporation seems the correct word as the righteous desires are assembled together into a whole.

IT SEEMS THAT YOU FIND A NEW WORD TO BE INJECTED IN YOUR NEW BELIEVE ;THE STRANGE THING OF IT ALL ,WAS THIS WORD EVER USED BY THE WRITERS YES OR NO

IF YES ;I NEVER SAW IT BEFORE ?
IF NO ;WHY ARE YOU USE IT ;FOR CHANGING THE REAL MEANING OF WHAT IS WRITTEN ?

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Note: incorporation seems the correct word as the righteous desires are assembled together into a whole.

WHAT SEEMS RIGHT TO MEN IS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS IN THE EYES OF GOD ;

YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN SCRIPTURES AND LIKE TO CHANGE GOD'S WORDS TO A MORE CONVENIENT APPROACH IN WORDS THAT YOU LIKE ,

YOU ARE SO ALIKE TO THE DOCTORS OF THE LAW AND THE PHARISEES IN JESUS TIME ,JUST A SPIT IMAGE

You should learn to listen long and be slow to answer. I am attempting to describe the Spirit mentioned with the words:

Galatians 5:22-23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

It sounds like it incorporates the desires to bear these fruit.

September 19, 2013 at 3:54 am#358073

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Marty.

BEFORE JESUS WAS BORN:

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD **the King of Israel**, and **HIS REDEEMER** **the LORD of hosts**; **I am the first, and I am the last**; and beside *ME* there is no God.

THE KING OF ISRAEL,SAID: BESIDE *ME* THERE IS NO GOD.
HIS REDEEMER DID NOT SAY THAT.

*THE KING* OF ISRAEL **AND HIS REDEEMER**.
YET HE SAID,BESIDE *ME* THERE IS NO GOD.
THIS IS CONFUSING TO THE MAJORITY.

Isaiah 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; **I am the first, I also am the last**.

JESUS WAS NOT EVEN BORN YET,WHEN HE SAID THIS.

Isaiah 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, *from far*; The LORD hath called *ME* from the womb; from the *bowels of my mother* hath he made mention of my name.

HE WAS SPEAKING OF HIS COMING BIRTH,BEFORE
IT HAPPENED.HE WAS SPEAKING TO THE GENERATION FAR OFF.

Isaiah 49:2 And he **hath made my mouth** like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath *he hid me*, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath *he hid me*;

HOW CAN THIS BE WHEN HE WAS *NOT* UNTILL HIS BIRTH? HOW CAN HE SAY ALL THOSE WORDS?

IT'S THE WORD OF GOD SPEAKING,BEFORE HE WAS MADE FLESH.

Psalms 33:6 By the *WORD* of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the ***breath of his mouth***. (BREATH/WORD).

John 1:3 All things were **made by him/WORD**; and without *him* was not any thing made that was made.

ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY THE BREATH OF HIS MOUTH.
*THE WORD* *AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH*.

JESUS WAS THE *WORD* FROM EVERLASTING WITH GOD.

wakeup.

September 19, 2013 at 10:04 am#358100

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The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.

The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.

Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.

The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.

It all ties together.

Good one Kerwin.

We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?

WHY DO THOSE THAT SAYS TO BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES FIND THEMSELVES RE INTERPRETING ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ,

AND BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SERVED GOD ,???

HOW MUCH CAN SOMEONE DECEITNESS GET ,SO THAT HE AS TURNED TOTALLY BLIND AS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD

Are you claiming the Spirit of Christ is not Jesus Christ's Spirit?

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT “THE SPIRIT THAT WAS IN CHRIST THAT COULD ALSO BE IN US ” WOULD BE JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF ???NO

No, I do not believe the Spirit of Christ is either Jesus or his soul.
Yes, I do believe the Spirit of Christ is the incorporation of the godly desires that Jesus chose to follow.

Note: incorporation seems the correct word as the righteous desires are assembled together into a whole.

IT SEEMS THAT YOU FIND A NEW WORD TO BE INJECTED IN YOUR NEW BELIEVE ;THE STRANGE THING OF IT ALL ,WAS THIS WORD EVER USED BY THE WRITERS YES OR NO

IF YES ;I NEVER SAW IT BEFORE ?
IF NO ;WHY ARE YOU USE IT ;FOR CHANGING THE REAL MEANING OF WHAT IS WRITTEN ?

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Note: incorporation seems the correct word as the righteous desires are assembled together into a whole.

WHAT SEEMS RIGHT TO MEN IS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS IN THE EYES OF GOD ;

YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN SCRIPTURES AND LIKE TO CHANGE GOD'S WORDS TO A MORE CONVENIENT APPROACH IN WORDS THAT YOU LIKE ,

YOU ARE SO ALIKE TO THE DOCTORS OF THE LAW AND THE PHARISEES IN JESUS TIME ,JUST A SPIT IMAGE

You should learn to listen long and be slow to answer. I am attempting to describe the Spirit mentioned with the words:

Galatians 5:22-23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

It sounds like it incorporates the desires to bear these fruit.

You REALY like to teach ,and if you try to explain what is the spirit ,then to my understanding ,you know what the word spirit stands for,

But you Kerwin as new wording and so from his own mind no scriptures ,explain what spirit his ,

The way I understand what you are REALY saying is this ,

The spirit of God are many spirit according to Kerwin,

And if we drop all of them in a box and call the box INCORPORATION

This is now a new revelation by Kerwin Men,men, this does not come from God,

September 19, 2013 at 12:33 pm#358126

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The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.

The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.

Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.

The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.

It all ties together.

Good one Kerwin.

We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?

WHY DO THOSE THAT SAYS TO BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES FIND THEMSELVES RE INTERPRETING ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ,

AND BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SERVED GOD ,???

HOW MUCH CAN SOMEONE DECEITNESS GET ,SO THAT HE AS TURNED TOTALLY BLIND AS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD

Are you claiming the Spirit of Christ is not Jesus Christ's Spirit?

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT “THE SPIRIT THAT WAS IN CHRIST THAT COULD ALSO BE IN US ” WOULD BE JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF ???NO

No, I do not believe the Spirit of Christ is either Jesus or his soul.
Yes, I do believe the Spirit of Christ is the incorporation of the godly desires that Jesus chose to follow.

Note: incorporation seems the correct word as the righteous desires are assembled together into a whole.

IT SEEMS THAT YOU FIND A NEW WORD TO BE INJECTED IN YOUR NEW BELIEVE ;THE STRANGE THING OF IT ALL ,WAS THIS WORD EVER USED BY THE WRITERS YES OR NO

IF YES ;I NEVER SAW IT BEFORE ?
IF NO ;WHY ARE YOU USE IT ;FOR CHANGING THE REAL MEANING OF WHAT IS WRITTEN ?

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Note: incorporation seems the correct word as the righteous desires are assembled together into a whole.

WHAT SEEMS RIGHT TO MEN IS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS IN THE EYES OF GOD ;

YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN SCRIPTURES AND LIKE TO CHANGE GOD'S WORDS TO A MORE CONVENIENT APPROACH IN WORDS THAT YOU LIKE ,

YOU ARE SO ALIKE TO THE DOCTORS OF THE LAW AND THE PHARISEES IN JESUS TIME ,JUST A SPIT IMAGE

You should learn to listen long and be slow to answer. I am attempting to describe the Spirit mentioned with the words:

Galatians 5:22-23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

It sounds like it incorporates the desires to bear these fruit.

You REALY like to teach ,and if you try to explain what is the spirit ,then to my understanding ,you know what the word spirit stands for,

But you Kerwin as new wording and so from his own mind no scriptures ,explain what spirit his ,

The way I understand what you are REALY saying is this ,

The spirit of God are many spirit according to Kerwin,

And if we drop all of them in a box and call the box INCORPORATION

This is now a new revelation by Kerwin Men,men, this does not come from God,

Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having *seven horns* and *seven eyes*, which are the *seven Spirits of God* sent forth into all the earth.

wakeup.

September 19, 2013 at 3:42 pm#358133

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Marty.

BEFORE JESUS WAS BORN:

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD **the King of Israel**, and **HIS REDEEMER** **the LORD of hosts**; **I am the first, and I am the last**; and beside *ME* there is no God.

THE KING OF ISRAEL,SAID: BESIDE *ME* THERE IS NO GOD.
HIS REDEEMER DID NOT SAY THAT.

*THE KING* OF ISRAEL **AND HIS REDEEMER**.
YET HE SAID,BESIDE *ME* THERE IS NO GOD.
THIS IS CONFUSING TO THE MAJORITY.

Isaiah 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; **I am the first, I also am the last**.

JESUS WAS NOT EVEN BORN YET,WHEN HE SAID THIS.

Isaiah 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, *from far*; The LORD hath called *ME* from the womb; from the *bowels of my mother* hath he made mention of my name.

HE WAS SPEAKING OF HIS COMING BIRTH,BEFORE
IT HAPPENED.HE WAS SPEAKING TO THE GENERATION FAR OFF.

Isaiah 49:2 And he **hath made my mouth** like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath *he hid me*, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath *he hid me*;

HOW CAN THIS BE WHEN HE WAS *NOT* UNTILL HIS BIRTH? HOW CAN HE SAY ALL THOSE WORDS?

IT'S THE WORD OF GOD SPEAKING,BEFORE HE WAS MADE FLESH.

Psalms 33:6 By the *WORD* of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the ***breath of his mouth***. (BREATH/WORD).

John 1:3 All things were **made by him/WORD**; and without *him* was not any thing made that was made.

ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY THE BREATH OF HIS MOUTH.
*THE WORD* *AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH*.

JESUS WAS THE *WORD* FROM EVERLASTING WITH GOD.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

Of course, this was before Jesus was born proving that he did not pre-exist his birth into this world as a sentient person.

You are trying to make it appear that it was Jesus who was saying the following in this scripture, but it is not:

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Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD **the King of Israel**, and **HIS REDEEMER** **the LORD of hosts**; **I am the first, and I am the last**; and beside *ME* there is no God.

LORD in this scripture is “Jehovah”, and right, he states: “I am THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST; AND BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD”.

What is it that you are not understanding here. Jesus said that he was not God, and he said that God was His Father. This is the OT prior to Jesus being sent into the world.

And the scripture states this:

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Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

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Hebrew 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

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Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

But then we have these scriptures:

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1 Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

And about worship, we do not worship Jesus as God, but we honor him as our Lord, this is what he said:

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23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Love in Christ,
Marty

September 19, 2013 at 6:14 pm#358136

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The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.

The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.

Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.

The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.

It all ties together.

Good one Kerwin.

We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?

WHY DO THOSE THAT SAYS TO BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES FIND THEMSELVES RE INTERPRETING ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ,

AND BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SERVED GOD ,???

HOW MUCH CAN SOMEONE DECEITNESS GET ,SO THAT HE AS TURNED TOTALLY BLIND AS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD

Are you claiming the Spirit of Christ is not Jesus Christ's Spirit?

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT “THE SPIRIT THAT WAS IN CHRIST THAT COULD ALSO BE IN US ” WOULD BE JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF ???NO

No, I do not believe the Spirit of Christ is either Jesus or his soul.
Yes, I do believe the Spirit of Christ is the incorporation of the godly desires that Jesus chose to follow.

Note: incorporation seems the correct word as the righteous desires are assembled together into a whole.

IT SEEMS THAT YOU FIND A NEW WORD TO BE INJECTED IN YOUR NEW BELIEVE ;THE STRANGE THING OF IT ALL ,WAS THIS WORD EVER USED BY THE WRITERS YES OR NO

IF YES ;I NEVER SAW IT BEFORE ?
IF NO ;WHY ARE YOU USE IT ;FOR CHANGING THE REAL MEANING OF WHAT IS WRITTEN ?

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Note: incorporation seems the correct word as the righteous desires are assembled together into a whole.

WHAT SEEMS RIGHT TO MEN IS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS IN THE EYES OF GOD ;

YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN SCRIPTURES AND LIKE TO CHANGE GOD'S WORDS TO A MORE CONVENIENT APPROACH IN WORDS THAT YOU LIKE ,

YOU ARE SO ALIKE TO THE DOCTORS OF THE LAW AND THE PHARISEES IN JESUS TIME ,JUST A SPIT IMAGE

You should learn to listen long and be slow to answer. I am attempting to describe the Spirit mentioned with the words:

Galatians 5:22-23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

It sounds like it incorporates the desires to bear these fruit.

You REALY like to teach ,and if you try to explain what is the spirit ,then to my understanding ,you know what the word spirit stands for,

But you Kerwin as new wording and so from his own mind no scriptures ,explain what spirit his ,

The way I understand what you are REALY saying is this ,

The spirit of God are many spirit according to Kerwin,

And if we drop all of them in a box and call the box INCORPORATION

This is now a new revelation by Kerwin Men,men, this does not come from God,

Galatians 5:22-23 describes a characteristic of the Spirit and I can't do it better. I can attempt to sum up that description in my own words, new or otherwise. Roughly the Spirit is composed of many spirits such as the spirit of joy, the spirit of peace, the spirit of long-suffering, and more. They all are summed up in the desire to love as God loves. He that lives according to the desire to love bears the fruits of the Spirit.

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