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Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
Good one Kerwin.We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,12:15) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
Good one Kerwin.We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.wakeup.
you cannot possess what you have not first yourself planted in your heart ,and that is the gift of God through his only son ,you may talk and say that you have but do you
??have the intention to follow it ,or to believe it ,or to submit to it ,are totally different spheres all together ,Jesus says ,NOT ALL THAT SAYS LORD ,LORD,WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM,
you should stop ,and start thinking why is that
but most will radiate this taught by believing this only applied to the others not to me ,think again,
do not deceive your selves ;WHAT A MEN SOWS HE ALSO WILL REAP;
SO IF YOUR TRUTH YOU POSSESS, IS THE TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES ,AND IF YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS IN HARMONY WITH THE SCRIPTURES (NOT BREAKING THE SCRIPTURES) AND YOU ARE FOLLOWING IN PRACTICE THOSE RULES IN YOUR LIVE ON A DAILY BASE ,EXPECTING NOTHING IN RETURN ,AND ONLY TAKE WHAT ,GOD WILL GIVE YOU ON THE WAY TO HIS KINGDOM ,AND SO HUMBLY WALK WITH YOUR GOD ,
yes i would say ,you have the true spirit of Christ ,IF NOT ,YOU DO NOT ;BECAUSE YOU ARE A CROSS BREED
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2013,22:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,12:15) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
Good one Kerwin.We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.wakeup.
you cannot possess what you have not first yourself planted in your heart ,and that is the gift of God through his only son ,you may talk and say that you have but do you
??have the intention to follow it ,or to believe it ,or to submit to it ,are totally different spheres all together ,Jesus says ,NOT ALL THAT SAYS LORD ,LORD,WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM,
you should stop ,and start thinking why is that
but most will radiate this taught by believing this only applied to the others not to me ,think again,
do not deceive your selves ;WHAT A MEN SOWS HE ALSO WILL REAP;
SO IF YOUR TRUTH YOU POSSESS, IS THE TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES ,AND IF YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS IN HARMONY WITH THE SCRIPTURES (NOT BREAKING THE SCRIPTURES) AND YOU ARE FOLLOWING IN PRACTICE THOSE RULES IN YOUR LIVE ON A DAILY BASE ,EXPECTING NOTHING IN RETURN ,AND ONLY TAKE WHAT ,GOD WILL GIVE YOU ON THE WAY TO HIS KINGDOM ,AND SO HUMBLY WALK WITH YOUR GOD ,
yes i would say ,you have the true spirit of Christ ,IF NOT ,YOU DO NOT ;BECAUSE YOU ARE A CROSS BREED
Terra.You are speaking in anger.
What you need to do is to put me straight
with scriptures. So we both can learn.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:
You are not reading what I have posted, and seeing what the scriptures state. hJesus is not the first baby born on this earth, but he is the first baby born on earth who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, is he not? In fact there is no other that was born this way or will there ever be.
You tell me what Jesus was before he was born into this world. It was the sayings of God, and they pertain to Jesus, that was made flesh. When God began to create, he knew that a specific point in time he would have a Son through whom He would reconcile the world unto Himself. Jesus was foreordained and was in the heart of the Father from the beginning.
Quote
1Pe 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,I have already showed you what Jesus stated relative to his statement that he was “the bread of life that came down form heaven”. Go back and read John 6 and you will see that he was speaking of the Word of God that God was speaking to humanity through him. He said he would give his flesh for the life of the world. It is through the life that he lived in the flesh that the world would be reconciled to God. And so, the body, the flesh, came from God in that he was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, and when God sent him forth in his ministry on earth God spoke to humanity through him, and it is through this Word that he obeyed without sin even unto death on the cross that we can have eternal life.
This is what Jesus said:
Quote
Jhn 16:28
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.He came from the Father in that he was conceived by the Holy Ghost and the Word of God that he obeyed came from God. A person is defined by the life that he lives. And so, Jesus was made a life giving spirit through the life that he lived in obedience to God.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,12:15) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
Good one Kerwin.We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.wakeup.
Wakeup,Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2013,11:29) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,10:46) T, If you have eyes to see you will come to see.
I do not know why you have so much trouble now.
Does Jehovah live by the Spirit spoken of in the passage from Galatians I posted?
How do you know this?
Does Jehovah lives by the spirit ? NO, HE HIS LIVE IT SELFYou have to start to ask yourself ,if the. One that makes the law live by it ???NO
Why
Because God almighty does not live with the people he so desperately try to save ,but his angles do,and those are making daily reports to him,You are mixing the spirit that as been given to men ,so that he may have wisdom in his heart and mind and use it wisely, but there are many wisdoms and not all are from and for God,s people,
This is why we have his written word ,so we can study it ,and grow in Goddly wisdom,
T,Consider your answer and think.
Do you know Jehovah by his fruit?
Are his fruit the fruit of righteousness or the fruit of corruption?
Does he manifest the same fruit as the fruit of the Spirit?
God lives in believers by his Spirit.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,20:56) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2013,22:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,12:15) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
Good one Kerwin.We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.wakeup.
you cannot possess what you have not first yourself planted in your heart ,and that is the gift of God through his only son ,you may talk and say that you have but do you
??have the intention to follow it ,or to believe it ,or to submit to it ,are totally different spheres all together ,Jesus says ,NOT ALL THAT SAYS LORD ,LORD,WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM,
you should stop ,and start thinking why is that
but most will radiate this taught by believing this only applied to the others not to me ,think again,
do not deceive your selves ;WHAT A MEN SOWS HE ALSO WILL REAP;
SO IF YOUR TRUTH YOU POSSESS, IS THE TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES ,AND IF YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS IN HARMONY WITH THE SCRIPTURES (NOT BREAKING THE SCRIPTURES) AND YOU ARE FOLLOWING IN PRACTICE THOSE RULES IN YOUR LIVE ON A DAILY BASE ,EXPECTING NOTHING IN RETURN ,AND ONLY TAKE WHAT ,GOD WILL GIVE YOU ON THE WAY TO HIS KINGDOM ,AND SO HUMBLY WALK WITH YOUR GOD ,
yes i would say ,you have the true spirit of Christ ,IF NOT ,YOU DO NOT ;BECAUSE YOU ARE A CROSS BREED
Terra.You are speaking in anger.
What you need to do is to put me straight
with scriptures. So we both can learn.wakeup.
NO,I AM NOT SPEAKING WITH ANGER AT ALL ,MAY BE WHAT I SAY IS HITTING YOU THAT WAY ,BUT I DO NOT KNOW THAT ,
I NEVER STOP LEARNING BUT NO LONGER IN THE SAME WAY AS YOU DO ,
Quote What you need to do is to put me straight
with scripturesYOU DO NOT NEED ME TO DO THAT ;JUST BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES ;BUT THAT AS WELL YOU CAN NOT DO ,AND SO YOU ARE DRAGGED BY YOUR OWN DESIRES INTO DECEIT ,BECAUSE YOU REJECT THE TRUTH ,
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 18 2013,03:42) Hi Wakeup: You are not reading what I have posted, and seeing what the scriptures state. hJesus is not the first baby born on this earth, but he is the first baby born on earth who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, is he not? In fact there is no other that was born this way or will there ever be.
You tell me what Jesus was before he was born into this world. It was the sayings of God, and they pertain to Jesus, that was made flesh. When God began to create, he knew that a specific point in time he would have a Son through whom He would reconcile the world unto Himself. Jesus was foreordained and was in the heart of the Father from the beginning.
Quote
1Pe 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,I have already showed you what Jesus stated relative to his statement that he was “the bread of life that came down form heaven”. Go back and read John 6 and you will see that he was speaking of the Word of God that God was speaking to humanity through him. He said he would give his flesh for the life of the world. It is through the life that he lived in the flesh that the world would be reconciled to God. And so, the body, the flesh, came from God in that he was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, and when God sent him forth in his ministry on earth God spoke to humanity through him, and it is through this Word that he obeyed without sin even unto death on the cross that we can have eternal life.
This is what Jesus said:
Quote
Jhn 16:28
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.He came from the Father in that he was conceived by the Holy Ghost and the Word of God that he obeyed came from God. A person is defined by the life that he lives. And so, Jesus was made a life giving spirit through the life that he lived in obedience to God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty.I understand what you are saying.
First of all in colosians v15 it says;the first born of every creature. Paul was speaking of his resurrection.
He was NOT the first person born on earth.v.18 Paul said the *first born from the dead*.
He was the first born *again*.First born of the spirit.In rev.1. He identifies himself as the Alpha and the Omega,
The first and the last. He created Adam and he was the one speaking to Adam/ and Abraham/Moses. He is the first. He also will be king for a 1000years in his kingdom on earth/He is the last,untill God takes over rule.In rev.19 He is called the *Word of God*.
In John 1:1. He was the *WORD MADE* flesh.
He also said that he had glory with God before
the world was.Glory together in creating.He also said that no man have gone to heaven except the one that came down from heaven.
The Word of God came down to earth in the form of flesh.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
(He will rule in his kingdom).and his name shall be called
*Wonderful, Counsellor*, *The mighty God*,
*The everlasting Father*,
*The Prince of Peace*.
(Is there a God beside me? No there is no God).God did *NOT* bring forth a new person
to speak through him.
But one whom created all things.
The word of God.Beside me there is *NO* saviour.(NO NEW PERSON).
Because HE IS THE WORD OF GOD HIMSELF.
HE IS GODS RIGHT HAND,WHICH IS PART
OF GOD.RIGHT HAND; SIMPLY BECAUSE HE DID ALL THE WORK.
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2013,03:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,12:15) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
Good one Kerwin.We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.wakeup.
Wakeup,Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?
Kerwin.I dont know why.
But I know that the persons heart
plays a big part.
The spirit of Christ tranforms our minds
to think and walk like Christ.wakeup.
ANYONE THAT BELIEVE THAT CHRIST WAS BORN THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT ;
DECEIVES HIM SELVES ,
SCRIPTURES DO NOT SAY THAT ;
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,22:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,12:15) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
Good one Kerwin.We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.wakeup.
Wakeup,Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?
WHY DO THOSE THAT SAYS TO BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES FIND THEMSELVES RE INTERPRETING ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ,AND BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SERVED GOD ,???
HOW MUCH CAN SOMEONE DECEITNESS GET ,SO THAT HE AS TURNED TOTALLY BLIND AS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:12) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,22:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,12:15) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
Good one Kerwin.We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.wakeup.
Wakeup,Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?
WHY DO THOSE THAT SAYS TO BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES FIND THEMSELVES RE INTERPRETING ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ,AND BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SERVED GOD ,???
HOW MUCH CAN SOMEONE DECEITNESS GET ,SO THAT HE AS TURNED TOTALLY BLIND AS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD
Terra.This is how we have teachers
to teach the flock.
Teachers need to use their own
words to explain.
Specially the prophesies.
Just quoting scriptures
with no explanations has
no effect. Because they can read it
for themselves.Reading the book or reading it
on the screen makes no difference.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:39) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:12) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,22:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,12:15) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
Good one Kerwin.We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.wakeup.
Wakeup,Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?
WHY DO THOSE THAT SAYS TO BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES FIND THEMSELVES RE INTERPRETING ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ,AND BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SERVED GOD ,???
HOW MUCH CAN SOMEONE DECEITNESS GET ,SO THAT HE AS TURNED TOTALLY BLIND AS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD
Terra.This is how we have teachers
to teach the flock.
Teachers need to use their own
words to explain.
Specially the prophesies.
Just quoting scriptures
with no explanations has
no effect. Because they can read it
for themselves.Reading the book or reading it
on the screen makes no difference.wakeup.
YOU SEEM NOT TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE THINGS I TELL YOU AND SO VOID THEM AND RESTART FROM THE BEGINNING ,THIS IS TIRRERING ;TIME OUT
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,04:12) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,22:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,12:15) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
Good one Kerwin.We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.wakeup.
Wakeup,Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?
WHY DO THOSE THAT SAYS TO BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES FIND THEMSELVES RE INTERPRETING ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ,AND BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SERVED GOD ,???
HOW MUCH CAN SOMEONE DECEITNESS GET ,SO THAT HE AS TURNED TOTALLY BLIND AS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD
T,Are you claiming the Spirit of Christ is not Jesus Christ's Spirit?
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2013,20:05) As for the Jews they actually seemed to believe Jesus was speaking of his flesh……..
Please don't try to confuse the issue, Kerwin. Of course they thought he was talking about his flesh WHEN he said they must eat of his FLESH.But neither Jesus nor the Jews mentioned “flesh” when he said, “I came down from heaven”, did they?
So let's focus on that statement, and his follow up question, “What if you see me ascend to where I was before?”.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2013,20:05) The debate between us is whether they speak of his body or the Spirit.
How about his “being”? His “essence”. The very thing that makes Jesus be Jesus, no matter what body he is in?1. Did Jesus say, “My BODY came down from heaven”? NO.
2. Did Jesus say, “The SPIRIT I live by came down from heaven”? NO.
Instead, he said, “I came down from heaven”, right?
If I say, “I love you, Kerwin”, then what am I saying?
1. Am I saying that my BODY loves you? NO.
2. Am I saying that the SPIRIT by which I live loves you? NO.
Instead, I am saying that I, as a sentient living being, love you. I'm saying that the “essence” that is Mike Boll loves you. I'm saying that ME, as a living being with my own thoughts, feelings and will, loves you.
Likewise, Jesus was saying that HE, as a living being with his own thoughts, feelings and will, came down from heaven.
The same Lord Jesus who lived on earth is the same Lord Jesus who now exists as a spirit being in heaven. It was that same Lord Jesus who came down from heaven and dwelled in a flesh body that was prepared for him by God. (Hebrews 10:5)
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,11:49) T8. Why only some can understand
and most dont?You have your finger right on the spot.
Mike has got it too.wakeup.
Cheers Wakeup.My personal view is that when men settle on a doctrine, they stubbornly cling to it, even if scripture says otherwise.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,14:12) T8, No space means there is no body. This Jesus you testify of is a bodiless entity. Scripture teaches of another Jesus who has a flesh and bone body. A body that was changed from that he had after being made of a woman. A body that was still the Son of David.
It is written that he existed in the form of God, emptied himself, came here in the flesh, was obedient to God, died for our sins, rose from the dead, and is seated at the right hand of God in the glory that he had with the Father before the world began.In case you missed it. He existed in the form of God.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,07:25) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 18 2013,03:42) Hi Wakeup: You are not reading what I have posted, and seeing what the scriptures state. hJesus is not the first baby born on this earth, but he is the first baby born on earth who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, is he not? In fact there is no other that was born this way or will there ever be.
You tell me what Jesus was before he was born into this world. It was the sayings of God, and they pertain to Jesus, that was made flesh. When God began to create, he knew that a specific point in time he would have a Son through whom He would reconcile the world unto Himself. Jesus was foreordained and was in the heart of the Father from the beginning.
Quote
1Pe 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,I have already showed you what Jesus stated relative to his statement that he was “the bread of life that came down form heaven”. Go back and read John 6 and you will see that he was speaking of the Word of God that God was speaking to humanity through him. He said he would give his flesh for the life of the world. It is through the life that he lived in the flesh that the world would be reconciled to God. And so, the body, the flesh, came from God in that he was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, and when God sent him forth in his ministry on earth God spoke to humanity through him, and it is through this Word that he obeyed without sin even unto death on the cross that we can have eternal life.
This is what Jesus said:
Quote
Jhn 16:28
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.He came from the Father in that he was conceived by the Holy Ghost and the Word of God that he obeyed came from God. A person is defined by the life that he lives. And so, Jesus was made a life giving spirit through the life that he lived in obedience to God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty.I understand what you are saying.
First of all in colosians v15 it says;the first born of every creature. Paul was speaking of his resurrection.
He was NOT the first person born on earth.v.18 Paul said the *first born from the dead*.
He was the first born *again*.First born of the spirit.In rev.1. He identifies himself as the Alpha and the Omega,
The first and the last. He created Adam and he was the one speaking to Adam/ and Abraham/Moses. He is the first. He also will be king for a 1000years in his kingdom on earth/He is the last,untill God takes over rule.In rev.19 He is called the *Word of God*.
In John 1:1. He was the *WORD MADE* flesh.
He also said that he had glory with God before
the world was.Glory together in creating.He also said that no man have gone to heaven except the one that came down from heaven.
The Word of God came down to earth in the form of flesh.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
(He will rule in his kingdom).and his name shall be called
*Wonderful, Counsellor*, *The mighty God*,
*The everlasting Father*,
*The Prince of Peace*.
(Is there a God beside me? No there is no God).God did *NOT* bring forth a new person
to speak through him.
But one whom created all things.
The word of God.Beside me there is *NO* saviour.(NO NEW PERSON).
Because HE IS THE WORD OF GOD HIMSELF.
HE IS GODS RIGHT HAND,WHICH IS PART
OF GOD.RIGHT HAND; SIMPLY BECAUSE HE DID ALL THE WORK.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The scripture states that Jesus is both the “firstborn of every creature”, and that he is the firstborn again from the dead. And so, yes, he is the firstborn of God of every creature, every man, and he is the firstborn from the dead. He God raised him from the dead.
He is not God and therefore, he is not the creator, since the scriptures state that God created everything by Himself, although, He did know from the beginning that it would be through Jesus that His plan for humanity would be fulfilled.
Let's take a look at Rev. 1 to see to whom rev. 1:8 is making reference, when it states I am the Alpha and Omega…
Quote
Rev 1:4
John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Rev 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,Rev 1:4 is speaking about God, and verse 5 says Jesus, and so according to the scripture from God and from Jesus, correct?
And rev 1:4 states about God, if we can agree that is is about God, Grace and peace unto you, from him which is, which was, and which is to come[/Quote]
And rev. 1:8 states:
Quote Rev 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b[
Again, we have “which is, and which was, and which is to comel”, as in verse 4 above, and we have seen that scripture is speaking about God”, and Jesus is not “the Almighty”, and so I am not sure that Rev 1:8 is speaking about Jesus, but about God being the Alpha and Omega.
And we have this in rev 4 &5
Revelation 4:8
And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come(This is speaking about God, and rev 1:4 is speaking about God, and so rev 1:8 which uses the same phrase, “which is, which was, which is to come”, must also refer to God.)
Quote Rev 4:10
The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him t
hat liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.[/size ]
Rev 5:1
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
Rev 5:2
And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
Rev 5:3
And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:4
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:5
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Rev 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Rev 5:7
And he(Jesus) came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Rev 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Rev 5:9
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.Rev. 4:11 states that God created everything and that he created everything for His pleasure.
To be sure, Jesus does say that he is “Alpha and Omega” in Rev 1:11, but he does not say that he is “The Alpha and Omega”. Alpha and Omega means the first and the last, and he is probably using it in the fact that he is the firstborn again from the dead and is now eternal.
Here is the scripture to support this thinking:
Quote 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
I thought we already agreed that the Word of God was another way of saying “the sayings of God”. Hebrews 1 states that God has spoken to humanity through His Son in these last days. The sayings of God, the Word of God, is that which God has spoken through Jesus.
Isaiah 9:6 states For unto us a child is born And so, who is the child that was born who is now at the right hand of God with all power over heaven and earth given unto him.
“His name is called”, no, not “he is called”, Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
These of elements of Jesus character through the life that he lived in obedience to God.
And so, he stated that we have seen him we have seen the Father's character manifest through the works that the Father was doing through him.
Quote John 14:9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Without God there is no savior, and that is true. Without God this world and nothing it exists. It is Him who has given us His Only Begotten Son.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Quote 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
He is definitely at God's right hand now.
Hebrews 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:39) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:12) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,22:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,12:15) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
Good one Kerwin.We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.wakeup.
Wakeup,Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?
WHY DO THOSE THAT SAYS TO BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES FIND THEMSELVES RE INTERPRETING ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ,AND BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SERVED GOD ,???
HOW MUCH CAN SOMEONE DECEITNESS GET ,SO THAT HE AS TURNED TOTALLY BLIND AS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD
Terra.This is how we have teachers
to teach the flock.
Teachers need to use their own
words to explain.
Specially the prophesies.
Just quoting scriptures
with no explanations has
no effect. Because they can read it
for themselves.Reading the book or reading it
on the screen makes no difference.wakeup.
BLAME IT ON THE TEACHER ,RIGHTWHAT ABOUT THE BARIANS THAT CHECK ALL THINGS INSIDE THE SCRIPTURES
I CAN SEE THE DAY ,YOU WOULD BLAME GOD FOR MAKE IT HIS WRITTEN WORD NOT BETTER AND CLEARER TO YOUR OWN FEELINGS ,
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2013,05:06) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,04:12) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,22:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,12:15) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
Good one Kerwin.We teach with the spirit of Christ in us.
The spirit of Christ is the bond between God and us.wakeup.
Wakeup,Why do those who are taught such things doubt the Spirit of Christ has continuously been in Jesus Christ?
WHY DO THOSE THAT SAYS TO BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES FIND THEMSELVES RE INTERPRETING ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ,AND BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SERVED GOD ,???
HOW MUCH CAN SOMEONE DECEITNESS GET ,SO THAT HE AS TURNED TOTALLY BLIND AS TO THE TRUTH OF GOD
T,Are you claiming the Spirit of Christ is not Jesus Christ's Spirit?
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT “THE SPIRIT THAT WAS IN CHRIST THAT COULD ALSO BE IN US ” WOULD BE JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF ???NO
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