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Quote Terra.
I am doing it for love of a brother.
Sometimes just a hammer does not work.
One need a sledge hammer.
I dont have any anger in me.Because you have been deceived and dont know it.
Maybe ice cold water will do the trick.wakeup.
I HAVE NOT BE DECEIVED YET , I AM QUITE OK,
STILL WANT THE SCRIPTURES ;IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO THE TRUTH
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2013,19:13) Quote Terra.
I am doing it for love of a brother.
Sometimes just a hammer does not work.
One need a sledge hammer.
I dont have any anger in me.Because you have been deceived and dont know it.
Maybe ice cold water will do the trick.wakeup.
I HAVE NOT BE DECEIVED YET , I AM QUITE OK,
STILL WANT THE SCRIPTURES ;IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO THE TRUTH
Terra.You still want the scripture of what?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 16 2013,19:33) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2013,19:13) Quote Terra.
I am doing it for love of a brother.
Sometimes just a hammer does not work.
One need a sledge hammer.
I dont have any anger in me.Because you have been deceived and dont know it.
Maybe ice cold water will do the trick.wakeup.
I HAVE NOT BE DECEIVED YET , I AM QUITE OK,
STILL WANT THE SCRIPTURES ;IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO THE TRUTH
Terra.You still want the scripture of what?
wakeup.
Wakeup,I think Pierre wants this scripture.
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 16 2013,16:59) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 16 2013,19:33) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2013,19:13) Quote Terra.
I am doing it for love of a brother.
Sometimes just a hammer does not work.
One need a sledge hammer.
I dont have any anger in me.Because you have been deceived and dont know it.
Maybe ice cold water will do the trick.wakeup.
I HAVE NOT BE DECEIVED YET , I AM QUITE OK,
STILL WANT THE SCRIPTURES ;IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO THE TRUTH
Terra.You still want the scripture of what?
wakeup.
Wakeup,I think Pierre wants this scripture.
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
you see wakeup, tell me what part is it we do not understand ;if we only have the book of Geneses
the understanding of what Paul says here ;
is quite simple ;
1) the universe was formed at God’s command,
2)so that what ever we can see as been made in this way ;
3)Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that
we still have that faith ,but not all have it
some like the KJV more than God ,and so make the KJV the word of God ,this is a curse
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 16 2013,13:11) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 16 2013,05:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 15 2013,15:08) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 15 2013,11:42) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 15 2013,09:30) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 15 2013,03:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,13:38) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 11 2013,06:30) Hi Wakeup: I missed your question asking me if I believe that Jesus is the Word. I believe that he is the Son of the Living God through whom God has spoken to humanity. He is not “the Word”. The Word is what God has spoken through him. I have already given you scriptures. And the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.How would you interpret this verse.
**And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us**.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The Greek word translated “Word” in John 1 including John 1:14 is “Logos” and it means “the sayings of God” and these sayings of God involved a plan to reconcile His children unto Himself through Jesus.
And so, the sayings of God pertain to Jesus and God's sending forth His Son into the world at a specified point in time which He did.
And so, the way I interpret John 1:14 is that those sayings of God pertaining to Jesus became a reality.
If you will look at a Greek interlinear New Testament you will see the that underneath the word “Logos” will be the English word “sayings”.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.The sayings of God is just another explanation for the Word of God.
The Word of God is a living Word,a Being that he brought forth out of himself;and they had glory together.
Therfore God said in Isaiah: There is no God beside me.
Beside me there is no saviour. I alone created everything,
my right hand did it. I am alpha and omega,the first and the last.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:I agree that the saying of God is just another way for saying the Word of God.
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Hbr 1:1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hbr 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;I agree that the Word of God is a living Word, and proceeds forth through his representatives, prophets, angels, Jesus.
Jesus was made “a life giving spirit through the Word of God that was spoken to humanity through him and that he obeyed without sin unto death on the cross”.
However, the Word of God originated from God, and not from him.
I suppose that you are referring to the following scripture when you say that “they had glory together”.
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Jhn 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.He says “Now glorify thou me with thine own self”, not “glorify me again with the glory that I had with thee before the world was”.
This was forseen from the beginning, and that is what this is saying not that Jesus was some pre-existent being who was with God in the beginning, and so, now he has that glory with God as head of the church sitted at the right hand of God.
Please post the scripture that reference in Isaiah. God said that He was alone when He created the world.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty.I hope you take all scriptures seriously,
not like Terra; he likes to trample on them
like nothing;yet *speaks* greatly about the scriptures.
Only speak but dont practice.I am really disappointed.Here is that scripture,and some of proverbs.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; ***God himself that formed the earth and made it***; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; **and there is none else**.
Proverbs 8:22 The LORD *possessed me* in the beginning of his way, *before his works of old*.
Proverbs 8:23 ** I was set up from everlasting**, **from the beginning**, or ever the earth was.
Proverbs 8:24 When there were no depths, **I was brought forth**; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Proverbs 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was **I brought forth**:
Proverbs 8:26 **While as yet he had not made the earth**, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Proverbs 8:27 **When he prepared the heavens, I was there**: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Proverbs 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Proverbs 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Proverbs 8:30 **Then I was by him**, as one *brought up with him*: and *I was daily his delight*, rejoicing always **before him**;
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:In my daily morning prayer to God, and Father, I ask Him to correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will, and so, yes, I do take the scriptures seriously, however, I may disagree with what you teach.
I do agree with the following scripture that you posted:
Quote Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; ***God himself that formed the earth and made it***; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; **and there is none else**. This shows that God is the creator, and not Jesus as some are teaching and maybe that you are trying to imply, as you s
aid something about “my right hand did it” or something to that extent, and so, I asked you to post the scripture, and so, we see that statement is not there, and so, it is very important to post the scripture rather than try to recall what was said from memory.The scriptures that you post from Proverbs may relate to Jesus indirectly, because he was foreordained, and it through him God's plan for humanity was fulfilled, and God's Word was spoken to humanity through him in these latter days, but this scriptures are speaking about “Wisdom”.
Let me post the scripture that states this:
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Pro 8:8All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
Pro 8:9
They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
Pro 8:10
Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
Pro 8:11For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty.Here is the scripture you are asking me to show.
Isaiah 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my *right hand hath spanned the heavens*: when *I call* unto them, they stand up together.
In the old days God spoke *TO* the prophets;*TO* angels.
In the last days God spoke *THROUGH* his son.Wisdom is in the Word of God,for all creation is made with the wisdom of God. All created by the Word of wisdom.
There can be no creation without wisdom.The Word was made flesh. From Word(spirit), to flesh.
The Word was always with God from everlasting,there was not a time when God had no Word.(wordless).We also know that JESUS/WORD created all things.
Psalms 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by ***the breath of his mouth***. (WORD).(COMMAND).
V9). FOR *HE SPAKE* AND IT WAS DONE;HE *COMMANDED* AND IT STOOD FAST.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:Thanks for the scripture that you posted from Isaiah, but it does not change the fact that God created everything by Himself, I agree that God created everything by His Word, but no, I do not agree with the following supposition:
Quote We also know that JESUS/WORD created all things. We have already discussed that the Word is “the sayings of God”, and certainly, the sayings of God pertain to Jesus, but no, he is not the sayings of God, but rather, God has spoken to humanity through him in these latter days. For that we have scripture, do we not? And so how can he be the sayings of God?
And the scriptures state that God created all things, Jesus did not, but God created all things by(through) him and for him.
Quote
Col 1:13 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.So, Col 1:16 states: For by him were all things created… making reference back to Col 1:15 which states:
Who( that is Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.So, my question to you is: When did Jesus become “the firstborn of every creature”? Col 1:14 makes reference to our redemption being through his blood.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2013,11:48) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2013,10:48) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2013,08:57) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2013,08:42) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2013,05:05) Quote Jesus' words are (Spirit)ual and by them one can receive the same Spirit that Jesus used to overcome the world. HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS
WHO TOLD YOU HOW YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAS THE SPIRIT THAT CHRIST USED TO OVERCOME THE WORLD
I LIKE TO KNOW YOUR ANSWERS HERE
T,The man who lives by the Spirit does not sin even though tempted as it common to man. Even angels that do not sin live by the Spirit. It is God's Spirit, he lives by it and he does not sin. It is the one Spirit that unifies them all. This you should already know.
ARE TAKEN ME FOR A CRACK POTYOU ARE TALKING IN A SENS ,THAT YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND ,BECAUSE IT MAKE NO SENS ;
CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS BEFORE YOU SEND YOUR QUOTE
I GUESS NOT ;Quote The man who lives by the Spirit does not sin even though tempted as it common to man. LOOK YOU MAKE IT MORE AND MORE DARKER ;
NOW I HAVE TO ASK YOU WHAT IS” THE SPIRIT BY WHICH A MAN LIVES AND NOT SIN”
BUT HAVE TO AD “WHAT IS SIN
“Quote Even angels that do not sin live by the Spirit. WHAT YOU MEAN
Quote It is the one Spirit that unifies them all. This you should already know. BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW , AND FOR YOUR INFO ,IT DOES NOT SEEMS LIKE SOME THING I WOULD TEACH ,
LOOK HOW COMPLICATED YOU ARE GETTING IN TRY TO DEFINE ANYTHING RELATED TO “SPIRIT ”
I AM SURE YOU HAVE NO CLUE OF ALL YOUR REALLY SAYING .
T,You should know these thing because Scripture already teaches them literally and outright.
Ephesians 4:3-6
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Galatians 5:22-23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Each and every part of the unity of the Spirit has the Spirit and lives by it.
YOU PLAYING A GAME RIGHT ? AND ONLY YOU HAVE FUN RIGHT SO YOU NEVER TELL ME WHAT IS THE SPIRIT ;FOR ONE ;
YOU COME UP WITH DIFFERENT MEANINGS OF SPIRIT ;FOR TWO
YOU MIXED ALL THEN YOU QUOTE THE SCRIPTURES OF PAUL BELIEVING THAT IT IS ALL BUT THE SAME AND HAVE A LUFF
READING THE QUOTE ,YOU JUST ARE A SELF ESTABLISH NEW INTERPRETER OF THE SCRIPTURES RIGHT
?AND LOOK HOW YOU RUN AWAY FROM THE ORIGINAL QUESTION
T,The passage from Galatians 5 tells you which spirit I was speaking of. The Ephesians passage speaks of the unity of that Spirit, whose fruit is righteousness. Jesus is part of that unity.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,03:11) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2013,11:48) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2013,10:48) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2013,08:57) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2013,08:42) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2013,05:05) Quote Jesus' words are (Spirit)ual and by them one can receive the same Spirit that Jesus used to overcome the world. HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS
WHO TOLD YOU HOW YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAS THE SPIRIT THAT CHRIST USED TO OVERCOME THE WORLD
I LIKE TO KNOW YOUR ANSWERS HERE
T,The man who lives by the Spirit does not sin even though tempted as it common to man. Even angels that do not sin live by the Spirit. It is God's Spirit, he lives by it and he does not sin. It is the one Spirit that unifies them all. This you should already know.
ARE TAKEN ME FOR A CRACK POTYOU ARE TALKING IN A SENS ,THAT YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND ,BECAUSE IT MAKE NO SENS ;
CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS BEFORE YOU SEND YOUR QUOTE
I GUESS NOT ;Quote The man who lives by the Spirit does not sin even though tempted as it common to man. LOOK YOU MAKE IT MORE AND MORE DARKER ;
NOW I HAVE TO ASK YOU WHAT IS” THE SPIRIT BY WHICH A MAN LIVES AND NOT SIN”
BUT HAVE TO AD “WHAT IS SIN
“Quote Even angels that do not sin live by the Spirit. WHAT YOU MEAN
Quote It is the one Spirit that unifies them all. This you should already know. BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW , AND FOR YOUR INFO ,IT DOES NOT SEEMS LIKE SOME THING I WOULD TEACH ,
LOOK HOW COMPLICATED YOU ARE GETTING IN TRY TO DEFINE ANYTHING RELATED TO “SPIRIT ”
I AM SURE YOU HAVE NO CLUE OF ALL YOUR REALLY SAYING .
T,You should know these thing because Scripture already teaches them literally and outright.
Ephesians 4:3-6
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Galatians 5:22-23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Each and every part of the unity of the Spirit has the Spirit and lives by it.
YOU PLAYING A GAME RIGHT ? AND ONLY YOU HAVE FUN RIGHT SO YOU NEVER TELL ME WHAT IS THE SPIRIT ;FOR ONE ;
YOU COME UP WITH DIFFERENT MEANINGS OF SPIRIT ;FOR TWO
YOU MIXED ALL THEN YOU QUOTE THE SCRIPTURES OF PAUL BELIEVING THAT IT IS ALL BUT THE SAME AND HAVE A LUFF
READING THE QUOTE ,YOU JUST ARE A SELF ESTABLISH NEW INTERPRETER OF THE SCRIPTURES RIGHT
?AND LOOK HOW YOU RUN AWAY FROM THE ORIGINAL QUESTION
T,The passage from Galatians 5 tells you which spirit I was speaking of. The Ephesians passage speaks of the unity of that Spirit, whose fruit is righteousness. Jesus is part of that unity.
koriginal question;
Quote HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS WHO TOLD YOU HOW YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAS THE SPIRIT THAT CHRIST USED TO OVERCOME THE WORLD
those questions where made because of your statement ;
Quote 2013,05:05] Quote Jesus' words are (Spirit)ual and by them one can receive the same Spirit that Jesus used to overcome the world. so are you going to answer
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 14 2013,15:54) Wakeup, My purpose was to point out that a “literal” interpretation can be a foolish interpretation. Mike did not answer my questions but you chose to use them to make your own point, though I am unclear how it relates to my own words.
Kerwin,In John 6, Jesus not only clearly says, I came down from heaven, but………………
1. The Jews to whom he was talking knew exactly what he said, and even wondered how a regular old human being could say he came down from heaven. Keep in mind that at this time, many of those same Jews considered Jesus to be a true prophet sent from God. So apparently, “man sent from God” and “I came down from heaven” did not hold the same meaning for those Jews. They understood his claim that he came down from heaven to be a LITERAL claim, which caused them to scratch their heads in bewilderment.
2. He finished by asking, What if you see me ascend to where I was before?
And we know from later scriptures that many of them who were there did actually see him ascend back to where he was before. (Acts 1)
I didn't originally answer your question because I knew that you were going to try to make the point that if one thing is metaphorical, then all things are. And we both know that is a foolish point, and that it was not worthy of a response from me.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 07 2013,10:53) “brought me forth” and create are two different clauses. God brought forth wisdom and he also possessed it, as others have translated the same word possessed. According to you Jesus had a beginning and so was not appointed from eternity.
Before the cosmos (time and space), God made all things through Jesus Christ. And before the cosmos, Jesus had glory with the Father. It is written. We merely are repeating it. He is the Word of God. And the Word was WITH God in the beginning.Quote (942767 @ Sep. 17 2013,04:46) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 16 2013,13:11) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 16 2013,05:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 15 2013,15:08) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 15 2013,11:42) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 15 2013,09:30) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 15 2013,03:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,13:38) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 11 2013,06:30) Hi Wakeup: I missed your question asking me if I believe that Jesus is the Word. I believe that he is the Son of the Living God through whom God has spoken to humanity. He is not “the Word”. The Word is what God has spoken through him. I have already given you scriptures. And the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.How would you interpret this verse.
**And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us**.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The Greek word translated “Word” in John 1 including John 1:14 is “Logos” and it means “the sayings of God” and these sayings of God involved a plan to reconcile His children unto Himself through Jesus.
And so, the sayings of God pertain to Jesus and God's sending forth His Son into the world at a specified point in time which He did.
And so, the way I interpret John 1:14 is that those sayings of God pertaining to Jesus became a reality.
If you will look at a Greek interlinear New Testament you will see the that underneath the word “Logos” will be the English word “sayings”.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.The sayings of God is just another explanation for the Word of God.
The Word of God is a living Word,a Being that he brought forth out of himself;and they had glory together.
Therfore God said in Isaiah: There is no God beside me.
Beside me there is no saviour. I alone created everything,
my right hand did it. I am alpha and omega,the first and the last.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:I agree that the saying of God is just another way for saying the Word of God.
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Hbr 1:1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hbr 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;I agree that the Word of God is a living Word, and proceeds forth through his representatives, prophets, angels, Jesus.
Jesus was made “a life giving spirit through the Word of God that was spoken to humanity through him and that he obeyed without sin unto death on the cross”.
However, the Word of God originated from God, and not from him.
I suppose that you are referring to the following scripture when you say that “they had glory together”.
Quote
Jhn 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.He says “Now glorify thou me with thine own self”, not “glorify me again with the glory that I had with thee before the world was”.
This was forseen from the beginning, and that is what this is saying not that Jesus was some pre-existent being who was with God in the beginning, and so, now he has that glory with God as head of the church sitted at the right hand of God.
Please post the scripture that reference in Isaiah. God said that He was alone when He created the world.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty.I hope you take all scriptures seriously,
not like Terra; he likes to trample on them
like nothing;yet *speaks* greatly about the scriptures.
Only speak but dont practice.I am really disappointed.Here is that scripture,and some of proverbs.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; ***God himself that formed the earth and made it***; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; **and there is none else**.
Proverbs 8:22 The LORD *possessed me* in the beginning of his way, *before his works of old*.
Proverbs 8:23 ** I was set up from everlasting**, **from the beginning**, or ever the earth was.
Proverbs 8:24 When there were no depths, **I was brought forth**; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Proverbs 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was **I brought forth**:
Proverbs 8:26 **While as yet he had not made the earth**, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Proverbs 8:27 **When he prepared the heavens, I was there**: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Proverbs 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Proverbs 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Proverbs 8:30 **Then I was by him**, as one *brought up with him*: and *I was daily his delight*, rejoicing always **before him**;
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:In my daily morning prayer to God, and Father, I ask Him to correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will, and so, yes, I do take the scriptures seriously, however, I may disagree with what you teach.
I do agree with the following scripture that you posted:
Quote Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; ***God himself that formed the earth and made it***; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited:
I am the LORD; **and there is none else**.This shows that God is the creator, and not Jesus as some are teaching and maybe that you are trying to imply, as you said something about “my right hand did it” or something to that extent, and so, I asked you to post the scripture, and so, we see that statement is not there, and so, it is very important to post the scripture rather than try to recall what was said from memory.
The scriptures that you post from Proverbs may relate to Jesus indirectly, because he was foreordained, and it through him God's plan for humanity was fulfilled, and God's Word was spoken to humanity through him in these latter days, but this scriptures are speaking about “Wisdom”.
Let me post the scripture that states this:
Quote
Pro 8:8All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
Pro 8:9
They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
Pro 8:10
Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
Pro 8:11For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty.Here is the scripture you are asking me to show.
Isaiah 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my *right hand hath spanned the heavens*: when *I call* unto them, they stand up together.
In the old days God spoke *TO* the prophets;*TO* angels.
In the last days God spoke *THROUGH* his son.Wisdom is in the Word of God,for all creation is made with the wisdom of God. All created by the Word of wisdom.
There can be no creation without wisdom.The Word was made flesh. From Word(spirit), to flesh.
The Word was always with God from everlasting,there was not a time when God had no Word.(wordless).We also know that JESUS/WORD created all things.
Psalms 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by ***the breath of his mouth***. (WORD).(COMMAND).
V9). FOR *HE SPAKE* AND IT WAS DONE;HE *COMMANDED* AND IT STOOD FAST.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:Thanks for the scripture that you posted from Isaiah, but it does not change the fact that God created everything by Himself, I agree that God created everything by His Word, but no, I do not agree with the following supposition:
Quote We also know that JESUS/WORD created all things. We have already discussed that the Word is “the sayings of God”, and certainly, the sayings of God pertain to Jesus, but no, he is not the sayings of God, but rather, God has spoken to humanity through him in these latter days. For that we have scripture, do we not? And so how can he be the sayings of God?
And the scriptures state that God created all things, Jesus did not, but God created all things by(through) him and for him.
Quote
Col 1:13 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.So, Col 1:16 states: For by him were all things created… making reference back to Col 1:15 which states:
Who( that is Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.So, my question to you is: When did Jesus become “the firstborn of every creature”? Col 1:14 makes reference to our redemption being through his blood.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.1. What was Jesus before he was born?
2. What was it that was made flesh?
3. Why did Jesus say that he is going *BACK* to his Father
this indicates that he came from the Father.
4. You are insinuating that Jesus life started on earth.
therefore not from everlasting.
So how do you substantiate this?
5. Explain: I am that bread that came down from heaven.Your question regarding the first born of every creature.
We know that He was not the first born baby on earth.Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, ***the firstborn from the dead**; that in all things he might have the *preeminence*.
He is the first born of the grave/resurrected.
He is the first *BORN AGAIN*.wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 17 2013,09:54) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 07 2013,10:53) “brought me forth” and create are two different clauses. God brought forth wisdom and he also possessed it, as others have translated the same word possessed. According to you Jesus had a beginning and so was not appointed from eternity.
Before the cosmos (time and space), God made all things through Jesus Christ. And before the cosmos, Jesus had glory with the Father. It is written. We merely are repeating it. He is the Word of God. And the Word was WITH God in the beginning.
T8.Why only some can understand
and most dont?You have your finger right on the spot.
Mike has got it too.wakeup.
T,
The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,07:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
CAN YOU READ MY QUESTIONS AND ANSWER ONLYMY QUESTIONDO NOT TROW MY ANSWERS IN THE STACK OF HEY ,AND SAY I HAVE ANSWERED HIM
Mike,
Quote In John 6, Jesus not only clearly says, I came down from heaven, but……………… No one here is debating about Jesus' words in this passage as far as I know. The debate between us is whether they speak of his body or the Spirit.
You are claiming that the body Scripture teaches us was made of the seed of David, made of a woman, and conceived in he womb of a woman physically came from heaven first.
I am claiming that it that his body was made of a woman and the Spirit he lives by came from above.
Quote The Jews to whom he was talking knew exactly what he said, and even wondered how a regular old human being could say he came down from heaven. As for the Jews they actually seemed to believe Jesus was speaking of his flesh for they said:
John 6:52
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Jesus also said:
John 8:23-24
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Jesus testifies he is from above and not from this world while those who who would die in their sins were from below and were of the world.
Those ones that ascend to heaven are they that come from above and not from this world.
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2013,07:26) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,07:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
CAN YOU READ MY QUESTIONS AND ANSWER ONLYMY QUESTIONDO NOT TROW MY ANSWERS IN THE STACK OF HEY ,AND SAY I HAVE ANSWERED HIM
T,I wrote but 6 sentences. Each has value.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 17 2013,04:54) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 07 2013,10:53) “brought me forth” and create are two different clauses. God brought forth wisdom and he also possessed it, as others have translated the same word possessed. According to you Jesus had a beginning and so was not appointed from eternity.
Before the cosmos (time and space), God made all things through Jesus Christ. And before the cosmos, Jesus had glory with the Father. It is written. We merely are repeating it. He is the Word of God. And the Word was WITH God in the beginning.
T8,No space means there is no body. This Jesus you testify of is a bodiless entity. Scripture teaches of another Jesus who has a flesh and bone body. A body that was changed from that he had after being made of a woman. A body that was still the Son of David.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,08:07) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2013,07:26) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,07:08) T, The answer to your question is still in the passage of Scripture I quoted.
The Spirit I speak of is the one that when you live by it you bear righteous fruit and not sinful fruit.
Jesus has this same spirit as he keeps the unity of the spirit he is part of and he does not sin. Either thing is certain proof that he has the Spirit.
The man who does not sin, so bears the fruit of the Spirit, overcomes the world as Jesus overcame the world.
It all ties together.
CAN YOU READ MY QUESTIONS AND ANSWER ONLYMY QUESTIONDO NOT TROW MY ANSWERS IN THE STACK OF HEY ,AND SAY I HAVE ANSWERED HIM
T,I wrote but 6 sentences. Each has value.
I GUESS I WILL PASS AWAY BEFORE I WILL EVER SEE IT ,ITS OK, JUST FORGET ABOUT IT ,WHAT YOU REALLY CAN NOT JUSTIFY BY YOUR LIPS AS NO MEANING ANY WAY ,
T,
If you have eyes to see you will come to see.
I do not know why you have so much trouble now.
Does Jehovah live by the Spirit spoken of in the passage from Galatians I posted?
How do you know this?
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,10:46) T, If you have eyes to see you will come to see.
I do not know why you have so much trouble now.
Does Jehovah live by the Spirit spoken of in the passage from Galatians I posted?
How do you know this?
Does Jehovah lives by the spirit ? NO, HE HIS LIVE IT SELFYou have to start to ask yourself ,if the. One that makes the law live by it ???NO
Why
Because God almighty does not live with the people he so desperately try to save ,but his angles do,and those are making daily reports to him,You are mixing the spirit that as been given to men ,so that he may have wisdom in his heart and mind and use it wisely, but there are many wisdoms and not all are from and for God,s people,
This is why we have his written word ,so we can study it ,and grow in Goddly wisdom,
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