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February 7, 2014 at 6:26 am#369353

Wakeup

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Throughout Scripture God reveals Himself to us through ***His names***. When we study these ***names*** that He reveals to us in the Bible, we will better understand who God really is. The meanings behind ***God's names*** reveal the central personality and nature of the One who bears them.

As I have said;God has many names.
we can not put Him in one box,and just call Him
Jehovah.God is I AM THAT I AM.
The best thing is to call Him Father.

wakeup.

THAT WAS AND IS NOT THE POINT OF THE DISCUSSION ,WHAT IS DISCUSSED IS THAT THE KJV DID NOT HONESTLY TRANSLATED THE SCRIPTURES THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO THEM ,AND CHOSE WHAT TO CHANGE OR TO LEFT OUT

How many Jehovah's are there in your bible.
If not 7000;than the pot is calling the cattle black.
Tell us the truth now.

wakeup.

February 7, 2014 at 6:42 am#369355

journey42

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Mike,

There are manuscripts from Antioch, and manuscripts from Egypt. Are they not different?
The ones from Egypt don't all agree with each other do they? Or else all the new bibles would be the same wording.

So what manuscripts are you looking at?

February 7, 2014 at 6:53 am#369358

terraricca

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As I have said;God has many names.
we can not put Him in one box,and just call Him
Jehovah.God is I AM THAT I AM.
The best thing is to call Him Father.

wakeup.

THAT WAS AND IS NOT THE POINT OF THE DISCUSSION ,WHAT IS DISCUSSED IS THAT THE KJV DID NOT HONESTLY TRANSLATED THE SCRIPTURES THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO THEM ,AND CHOSE WHAT TO CHANGE OR TO LEFT OUT

How many Jehovah's are there in your bible.
If not 7000;than the pot is calling the cattle black.
Tell us the truth now.

wakeup.

were you not the one to point out the importance of being honest and true to the oldest mms. and that the kjv was that version ,so pure that it was perfect and that any other versions were faulty

so you excuse all the mistake in the kjv but none in the others

February 7, 2014 at 12:05 pm#369372

Wakeup

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Dont Run from my question.
Tell me how many Jehovah's are in your NIV bible?

wakeup.

February 7, 2014 at 7:41 pm#369413

terraricca

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2014,17:05)

Dont Run from my question.
Tell me how many Jehovah's are in your NIV bible?

wakeup.

they do not show many BUT I DO NOT CLAIM THAT IT IS PERFECT DO I,

BUT I HAVE OTHER TRANSLATION THAT HAVE THE NAME JEHOVAH /YAHWEH, LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE MY TWENTY OR SO VERSIONS THAT I HAVE TELLS ME MORE BY CROSS CHECKING THEM ,

BUT I WOULD NEVER CALL ANY OF THEM PURE OR WITHOUT FAULTY TRANSLATED WORDS OR /

February 7, 2014 at 8:03 pm#369416

Wakeup

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2014,05:41)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2014,17:05)

Dont Run from my question.
Tell me how many Jehovah's are in your NIV bible?

wakeup.

they do not show many BUT I DO NOT CLAIM THAT IT IS PERFECT DO I,

BUT I HAVE OTHER TRANSLATION THAT HAVE THE NAME JEHOVAH /YAHWEH, LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE MY TWENTY OR SO VERSIONS THAT I HAVE TELLS ME MORE BY CROSS CHECKING THEM ,

BUT I WOULD NEVER CALL ANY OF THEM PURE OR WITHOUT FAULTY TRANSLATED WORDS OR /

Thank you Terra.

Have a nice one.

wakeup.

February 7, 2014 at 8:35 pm#369424

terraricca

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2014,01:03)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2014,05:41)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2014,17:05)

Dont Run from my question.
Tell me how many Jehovah's are in your NIV bible?

wakeup.

they do not show many BUT I DO NOT CLAIM THAT IT IS PERFECT DO I,

BUT I HAVE OTHER TRANSLATION THAT HAVE THE NAME JEHOVAH /YAHWEH, LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE MY TWENTY OR SO VERSIONS THAT I HAVE TELLS ME MORE BY CROSS CHECKING THEM ,

BUT I WOULD NEVER CALL ANY OF THEM PURE OR WITHOUT FAULTY TRANSLATED WORDS OR /

Thank you Terra.

Have a nice one.

wakeup.

February 8, 2014 at 5:25 pm#369487

mikeboll64

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Wakeup and journey,

What is your end goal here?

Is it your goal to say the NIV is ALSO a “perfect” translation, “inspired by God Himself”, because it also substitutes the divine NAME God gave us for Himself with the words “the LORD”?

Is it your goal to say that the Antioch mss have the divine name 6728 times, while the Egyptian mss only have the divine name 6512 times, so therefore the KJV is justified in writing the divine name a mere FOUR times?

The fact of the matter…….. and I want you both to listen very carefully here……….. is that GOD inspired the scriptures. And GOD inspired the Hebrew scriptures to be written with His NAME (not a title) over 6500 times.

The NWT is one of the few that honor GOD'S will by keeping that NAME (not title) in their translation wherever that NAME (not title) was written by the original writers of those scriptures.

There are a few other Bibles that do the same (although some of them translate the divine name as “Yahweh” instead of “Jehovah”).

The NIV doesn't have that name in it once. Neither does the NET. The KJV has it only four times.

But the point is that it doesn't matter how many of them OMIT God's divine name, that was originally written into those scriptures by the original writers of those scriptures. Because that NAME was indeed written into EVERY Hebrew ms over 6500 times. And if that NAME was written in the original mss, then NOBODY has a right to OMIT that NAME, and substitute it with a TITLE like “the LORD”.

I'm now going to ask a very simple question of both of you. I know in advance that Wakeup will avoid giving a DIRECT answer to the question, and choose to divert the discussion away from that question. I know this, because that is Wakeup's norm.

I am, however, hopeful that journey will honestly and directly answer the question.

Here it is:

If the Greek mss have the NAME “Jesus” written in certain verses, should we faithfully translate it AS the name “Jesus” – EVERY time it is written in the Greek mss as “Jesus”?

Or is it okay if we just up and decide to OMIT the NAME “Jesus”, and substitute it with the TITLE “Lord”, or “Master”, or “Rabbi”, etc. ?

In other words, should we translate the Greek mss AS THEY WERE WRITTEN? Or ALTER them to suit our own personal preference?

Which one, please?

February 8, 2014 at 7:50 pm#369513

Wakeup

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Mike B.

Fact: You can not come up with solid evidence,
where the original scriptures has 7000 jhv's in it.
You are just going by rumours.

Even all those old bibles dont agree with each other.
The worse is the alexandria translations.
Those greeks also believe in Egyptian gods.
The bible in your possession has no 7000jhv in it.

The reason why I stay with the kjv is because I have found
no contradictions in it. The others do have many.
You choose what your spirit tells you.
Jesus did not come to earth to preach, and proof His Fathers name.

wakeup.

February 9, 2014 at 4:00 am#369617

terraricca

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We're you read LORD you should have the 4 letters of the Hebrew name of God ,in the kjv or the niv,or others

February 9, 2014 at 6:04 am#370794

Wakeup

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,14:00)

We're you read LORD you should have the 4 letters of the Hebrew name of God ,in the kjv or the niv,or others

That does not change the message.
Wrong translations do.

wakeup.

February 9, 2014 at 9:46 am#370804

terraricca

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We're you read LORD you should have the 4 letters of the Hebrew name of God ,in the kjv or the niv,or others

That does not change the message.
Wrong translations do.

wakeup.

you never going to understand truth ,because you do not understand the word TRUTH , until you understand what truth his you will never understand it ,

February 9, 2014 at 4:51 pm#370817

mikeboll64

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2014,12:50)

Mike B.

Fact: You can not come up with solid evidence,
where the original scriptures has 7000 jhv's in it.
You are just going by rumours.

I knew you wouldn't actually answer the question, Wakeup. I knew it because you NEVER do. Instead, you try to divert the discussion away from any pertinent question someone else asks.

That is a sign of weakness. Your doctrines are weak, because you are unable to stand and defend your doctrines when they come under scrutiny.

Your argument that I must somehow “prove” the divine name is in the Hebrew texts 6519 times is asinine, since all you have to do is count all the times the KJV has the word “LORD” – in all capital letters. Because every time they have “LORD” in all caps, the divine name YHWH was what was written in the Hebrew text.

It's also asinine, because we've just looked at Genesis 2:4 and 2:5, and saw that Hebrew divine name of God with our own eyes. And we saw with our own eyes how the KJV people translated that Hebrew divine name as “the LORD” in both of those verses.

Do we really need to keep going through the entire Bible now? Do you really need to lay your eyes on EACH time they substitute God's NAME with the TITLE “the LORD”? Or can you look at just those first two I've showed you, and see the pattern emerging?

Even if the KJV did it only those two times, then the KJV was AT FAULT those two times.

But like I said, go through your own KJV, and count each time you see “LORD” in all caps. That will tell you how many times they substituted God's divine name with a generic title.

Or you can believe the people who have already counted.

From NETNotes:

yhwh

Definition: Jehovah = “the existing One”

1) the proper name of the one true God

Translated in the NET Bible as:
Lord 5379
Lord's 601
he 34
LORD 22
sovereign 9
him 9
his 7
He 4
I 4
God 3
you 3
divine 2
lord 2
temple 2
Lord your God 1
Solomon 1
God's 1
divine revelation 1
room 1
said 1
says 1
my 1
inside 1
belong to the Lord 1
changed 1
home 1
Sovereign 1

Translated in the Authorized Version of the KJV as:

LORD 6510
GOD 4
JEHOVAH 4
variant 1

From Blue Letter Bible Site:
yhwh Strong's #H3068

The KJV translates Strongs H3068 in the following manner: LORD (6,510x), GOD (4x), JEHOVAH (4x), variant (1x).

Do you really think that the divine name of God is not in the Hebrew scriptures that many times, and these sources just lied about it?

And what would an accusation like that even mean to us, Wakeup? That you KNOW it's wrong for the KJV to mistranslate God's divine name as “the LORD”, and you're trying to show that they weren't really wrong that many times?

Would it really matter if the KJV was wrong only in the two verses we've looked at with our own eyes – and not 6510 times? Wouldn't the fact still remain that the KJV was WRONG – no matter how many times they mistranslated God's divine name?

So you can go on PRETENDING that this 6510 number is wrong if you want to, but all you really have to do is count the times you read “the LORD” in the KJV to know the count is not wrong.

Your whole argument is a joke. Telling me that I must count out every one of those 6510 times for you is a very weak DIVERSION from the point at hand. Saying my information is “rumors”, in an effort to get out of this hole you've found yourself in, is simply laughable.

If you would like, I can post every scripture in the KJV where they mistranslate the divine proper NAME of God with the generic TITLE “the LORD”.

Shall I do that for you?

February 9, 2014 at 5:05 pm#370818

mikeboll64

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Wakeup,

Here is the first page of them. Every time you see “LORD”, in all capital letters, it was really the divine NAME “Jehovah” in the Hebrew text.

[Gen 2:4 KJV] These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

[Gen 2:5 KJV] And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground.

[Gen 2:7 KJV] And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

[Gen 2:8 KJV] And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

[Gen 2:9 KJV] And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

[Gen 2:15 KJV] And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

[Gen 2:16 KJV] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

[Gen 2:18 KJV] And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

[Gen 2:19 KJV] And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.

[Gen 2:21 KJV] And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

[Gen 2:22 KJV] And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

[Gen 3:1 KJV] Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

[Gen 3:8 KJV] And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

[Gen 3:9 KJV] And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?

[Gen 3:13 KJV] And the LORD God said unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

[Gen 3:14 KJV] And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

[Gen 3:21 KJV] Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

[Gen 3:22 KJV] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

[Gen 3:23 KJV] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

[Gen 4:1 KJV] And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

[Gen 4:3 KJV] And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

[Gen 4:4 KJV] And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

[Gen 4:6 KJV] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

[Gen 4:9 KJV] And the LORD said unto Cain, Where [is] Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: [Am] I my brother's keeper?

[Gen 4:13 KJV] And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment [is] greater than I can bear.

[Gen 4:15 KJV] And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

[Gen 4:16 KJV] And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

[Gen 4:26 KJV] And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

[Gen 5:29 KJV] And he called his name Noah, saying, This [same] shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

[Gen 6:3 KJV] And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

[Gen 6:6 KJV] And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

[Gen 6:7 KJV] And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

[Gen 6:8 KJV] But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

[Gen 7:1 KJV] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

[Gen 7:5 KJV] And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.

[Gen 7:16 KJV] And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.

[Gen 8:20 KJV] And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

[Gen 8:21 KJV] And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart [is] evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

[Gen 9:26 KJV] And he said, Blessed [be] the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

[Gen 10:9 KJV] He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.

[Gen 11:5 KJV] And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
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[Gen 11:6 KJV] And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

[Gen 11:8 KJV] So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

[Gen 11:9 KJV] Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

[Gen 12:1 KJV] Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

[Gen 12:4 KJV] So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram [was] seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

[Gen 12:7 KJV] And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.

[Gen 12:8 KJV] And he removed from thence unto a mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, [having] Bethel on the west, and Hai on the east: and there he builded an altar unto the LORD, and called upon the name of the LORD.

[Gen 12:17 KJV] And the LORD plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram's wife.

[Gen 13:4 KJV] Unto the place of the altar, which he had made there at the first: and there Abram called on the name of the LORD.

Would you like to see page 2 now? Or do you get the pic
ture?

February 9, 2014 at 5:18 pm#370823

kerwin

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Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 03 2013,00:07)

It is written:

Matthew 4:4
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Some believe:

Matthew 4:4
An interpretation of the Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by the preexistent Christ.

Is it truth or tradition?
Why?

To all,

This is the real topic of this thread and other topics are addressed other places. If your conversation changes so it no longer is linked to this topic could you please take it to a more appropriate thread. Thank you.

February 9, 2014 at 9:33 pm#370849

Wakeup

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