A false view of matthew 4:4?

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The scribes are in charge of the scriptures.
Even today.

Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your ***righteousness shall *exceed* the righteousness of the
scribes and Pharisees***,
ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ***ye shut up the kingdom of heaven*** against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Dont be caught in bed with the scribes.
I am just saying. Not telling you.
You can do as you please yourself.

wakeup.

I THINK YOU ARE VENTING

January 20, 2014 at 3:03 pm#367946

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The scribes are in charge of the scriptures.
Even today.

Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your ***righteousness shall *exceed* the righteousness of the
scribes and Pharisees***,
ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Dont be caught in bed with the scribes.
I am just saying. Not telling you.
You can do as you please yourself.

wakeup.

I THINK YOU ARE VENTING

You think what you like to think.
It won't be anything good.
What light can come of darkness?

wakeup.

January 21, 2014 at 1:52 am#367986

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Mike

you ever looked at the word they use in Proverb 8;22 (bringforth) in the KJV 1611 version the original this word is no longer in our dictionary today

That doesn't surprise me, Pierre. My “autocorrect” is always flagging words from the KJV when I quote that version.

Mike

you know some are saying they quote the KJV 1611 version but they really do not, they quote another version of the KJV

so you really do not know what they believe in ,so they must be Anglican

January 21, 2014 at 2:15 am#367989

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Pierre

Whatever version of the KJV, we are quoting, is the version we post.

All you KJV haters,
doesn't this tell you something?
I mean you hate it with all your soul.
You are missing out on learning so much.
To us it's all there. The picture is complete, not distorted.
The missing gaps for you guys are there.
God preserved his Word, and had it authorised by a King, so that no man can change it. The typo errors may of been corrected, and the extra catholic books taken out, but the doctrine is unaltered, it has never been changed or needed to be corrected.
The old english words have been taken out of our dictionary's because Satan does not leave one stone unturned.
He does not want you to understand the old KJV, but he wants you to learn Greek and Hebrew.
He is steering you away, and taken you captives to Egypt.
And the fact that you trust his lies, and his men is insane.
You probably think that the earth is billions of years old too, because the “experts” said so.

Get an old dictionary 50-100 years old and you will find the words you are looking for. Don't pretend those words never existed or are too hard to understand. This is God's word, find out what the words mean. His hand is on his Word, in the KJV. Every word is inspired, even translated into English. This is God's word for us. But you trust what comes out of Egypt instead.

January 21, 2014 at 4:25 am#367992

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Pierre

Whatever version of the KJV, we are quoting, is the version we post.

j42

you are so desperate that you use lies and lies to get out of your own frustration that it can be proven wrong ,

and so i will not answer you

January 21, 2014 at 8:56 am#368001

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mikeboll64,Jan. wrote:

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You said that Jesus WAS a creation while he was on earth, right?

Right

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And you said, “How can we worship a creature”, right?

Right.

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Why then do you think the disciples worshiped the creature Jesus Christ when he was on earth?

Can you please quote where I said this? I did say that if one pray to Jesus then he has not sinned.

Jesus always preached the Father. He never exalted himself, but his authority was made known to them. They worshipped God through him, because he was the Son of God.

We know that there are many so called gods out there don't we. JW's need to say Jehovah because they don't really recognise Jesus, but we know that if we say the name Jesus Christ then we are going through the right channel. So by no other name can we get to God. This is the commandment. That Christ's name be glorified, and when referring to God, he is there also and visa versa.

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Why would you attribute such a blasphemous act to those faithful servants of God and His Messiah?

If one call out to Jesus, or pray to Jesus he has not sinned. God has made his Son equal to him, and has given him the keys to death and hell.

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Is that verse weird?
what about these ones.

Phillipians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name.
Phillipians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth.
Phillipians 2:11 And that every tongu should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Hopefully, you'll stay with this discussion long enough for us to discuss the many unscriptural claims you made in that post. I don't want to tackle them all right now, because I want to stay focused on one point at a time.

ok, hopefully.

January 21, 2014 at 11:41 pm#368054

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Why then do you think the disciples worshiped the creature Jesus Christ when he was on earth?

Can you please quote where I said this?

Your KJV says it, journey.

The KJV has people WORSHIPPING Jesus even before he was raised to heaven and given the name above all names.

In other words, according to the KJV, the disciples WORSHIPED Jesus when he was just a man on earth.

I believe “worshiped” is the wrong translation for the disciples bowing before the MAN Jesus Christ on earth. Do you agree? Or do you think the disciples DID worship Jesus as if he was God when he was merely a man on earth? Which one please?

January 21, 2014 at 11:45 pm#368055

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JW's need to say Jehovah because they don't really recognise Jesus, but we know that if we say the name Jesus Christ then we are going through the right channel.

The JWs say the name “Jehovah” because our God and Creator GAVE us His personal name to use. And they actually use it.

More and more English Bibles are following their example, too. The KJV recently published a “Divine Name” translation, in which the name “Jehovah” is used instead of their original “the LORD”.

I think that's wonderful.

Btw, the JWs recognize Jesus the same way you and I do. They know he was the firstborn Son of God who God sent into the world to die as atonement for our sins.

But that is off topic.

January 21, 2014 at 11:53 pm#368056

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All you KJV haters,
doesn't this tell you something?
I mean you hate it with all your soul.

I've never met a “KJV hater” in my whole time on this site, journey.

The people I've met fit into one of the following two categories:

1. People who think the KJV is perfect, and God-inspired, and that there is no fault in it at all because God personally gave the world that particular translation.

2. People who believe the KJV is a fine English translation, but that it has its flaws just like every other English translation.

It wasn't anyone from group #2 who started this, journey. It was the people from group #1 who started SHOVING IT DOWN OUR THROATS that the KJV is the ONLY Bible in all of existence that can be “trusted”.

Trust me, the more you tell us it's “perfect”, the more flaws we'll point out for you. It's not a personal vendetta, it's just that you have the right to know the truth of the matter.

Don't ever lose sight of this one important FACT: The Bible was not actually WRITTEN in the English language. So the authorities on what the Bible truly says are the Hebrew and Greek mss – the older the better – NOT any particular English TRANSLATION of those writings.

Get it? If you truly want the truth of the matter, look to the Hebrew and Greek – not the English.

January 22, 2014 at 1:26 am#368060

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mikeboll64,Jan. wrote:

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The KJV has people WORSHIPPING Jesus even before he was raised to heaven and given the name above all names.

In other words, according to the KJV, the disciples WORSHIPED Jesus when he was just a man on earth.

Mike, where please? give me a scripture where you are looking at?

January 22, 2014 at 2:13 am#368061

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mikeboll64,Jan. wrote:

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The JWs say the name “Jehovah” because our God and Creator GAVE us His personal name to use. And they actually use it.

Mike
God gave us his son's name. Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ told us what to call God. “Our Father”. He did not give us the name Jehovah to use in the new testament.

Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

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More and more English Bibles are following their example, too.

To you this is good news. To us it is attrocious.

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The KJV recently published a “Divine Name” translation, in which the name “Jehovah” is used instead of their original “the LORD”.

The New KJV has stolen the name only, but corrupted the words inside. They are not related.

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I think that's wonderful.

Of course you would. You love the popular view of the christian world!

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Btw, the JWs recognize Jesus the same way you and I do. They know he was the firstborn Son of God who God sent into the world to die as atonement for our sins.

They do not Mike. They do not give him any glory. They say Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah. They put Michael the angel on the same level as Jesus.

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But that is off topic.

Yes it only leads to another can of worms.

January 22, 2014 at 3:30 am#368066

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Jesus our Lord and saviour said:
When you pray; say this:

OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN.
And we hear Him; and *FOLLOW* His instuctions.

But men like to do better, by using the name of God. And many men follow men; rather than the Lord.

(The promoters of the jw's name:Not Gods name.)

wakeup.

January 22, 2014 at 4:48 am#368075

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Jesus our Lord and saviour said:
When you pray; say this:

OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN.
And we hear Him; and *FOLLOW* His instuctions.

But men like to do better, by using the name of God. And many men follow men; rather than the Lord.

(The promoters of the jw's name:Not Gods name.)

wakeup.

FEEL BAD BECAUSE THE kjv AS NOT THE NAME OF GOD WHERE IT WAS IN THE OLD MMS

January 22, 2014 at 4:58 am#368078

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Jehovah is a most Holy name.
Not to be taken in vain.
Whe we speak of the Lord,we know which Lord.
When we speak of God we know which God.
The name Jehovah has been used by men for their own
benefit. Advertising their church/kingdom hall.
Jesus never mantioned His Fathers name.
But called him Father,and we follow Him.
We call him our Father who art in heaven.
Not our earthly father.
We are like Father and sons.

wakeup.

January 22, 2014 at 7:50 am#368098

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wakeup.

We should not become superstiseous to the point that we ignore the name of God ,if it was written almost 7000 times it is certainly not to be ignored or not to be used and declared in my view

January 22, 2014 at 1:00 pm#368127

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wakeup.

We should not become superstiseous to the point that we ignore the name of God ,if it was written almost 7000 times it is certainly not to be ignored or not to be used and declared in my view

You can say as much as you like,
but we are not ignoring God's name.
We are keeping His name Holy in our hearts.
He also has many names.
For God can be anything he please.
You are somehow also accusing Jesus for not using His Father's name in the NT.
To call God Father,brings us closer to Him.
Like Father and son.

You mabe address your father as; hey, you Bill, can I use the car today. Not me,I call him dad.

wakeup.

January 22, 2014 at 4:40 pm#368151

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wakeup.

We should not become superstiseous to the point that we ignore the name of God ,if it was written almost 7000 times it is certainly not to be ignored or not to be used and declared in my view

You mabe address your father as; hey, you Bill, can I use the car today. Not me,I call him dad.

wakeup.

that is not an answer to erase 7000 times the name of God the father

January 22, 2014 at 5:38 pm#368158

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mikeboll64,Jan. wrote:

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I've never met a “KJV hater” in my whole time on this site, journey.

Mike

I don't see anyone picking on any other version do you?

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The people I've met fit into one of the following two categories:

1. People who think the KJV is perfect, and God-inspired, and that there is no fault in it at all because God personally gave the world that particular translation.

2. People who believe the KJV is a fine English translation, but that it has its flaws just like every other English translation.

You left out the people who are anti KJV, and passionate about it too. We have been put into the “weird” category. Well I think all other christians are “weird” too if you ask me, and I also think the whole world is “weird” also.

For God to send out his Word to us is a pretty big thing, not a small matter. He has the power to preserve his word all in tack, perfectly in the one book uncorrupted for his word is life, and he said we can use it for edification, for doctrine, for reproof etc. The old testament was not only for the Jews, but for us also, so it has to be complete in the one book, and it has to be perfect. I know he would not allow his holy Word to go out to the gentiles corrupted for four hundred years, and for all them to be quoting some verses right, and some with error?

Did you see those video's I posted. When one goes to uni to study theology, they are warned not to use the KJV because they claim it has faults. Where does thinking for your self come into it? Of course someone with no knowledge is there to learn, and will soak in what ever they are taught.

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Defending the truth is a christians duty. How can it be shoved down your throats when it was thrown out of the classroom? I think you are exaggerating slightly Mike.

The order for the KJV was made by a king, and it was intended for all men to have access to it. This had never happened before. This was not King James idea alone, this was God guiding him to get this happening. King James was not a christian, and how could there even be any true christians back then if they had no access to the holy scriptures? They may of been God fearing, but with knowledge? Come on. It takes years. A process had to happen, and this process was chosen by God to have his book translated from early manuscripts, (not from other bibles) and issued out, and sealed by a King.
Satan would of been wild with anger.

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Trust me, the more you tell us it's “perfect”, the more flaws we'll point out for you.

It's not a personal vendetta, it's just that you have the right to know the truth of the matter.

Mike, I could do the same. I can load my gun too! You can tell me all you like with what the scholars have told you, and what is supposed to be fact, but in case you don't know, there are wolves out there who pervert the holy scriptures, and they give us false misleading information. We were warned about them.

Take evolution for example, they make their lies out to be fact. Millions are deceived. Look how Satan made them all believe that there is no God. Same for the christian world, he made most of them believe that there is no perfect bible. No true Word of God out there. He has created chaos, and God let it happen. A lot of christians are arguing back and forth and going around in circles, and confused about simple things? I believe it is because there is so much distortion in these new age bibles, that when they watered it down, they left out key words for many to connect the scriptures. We connect the scriptures in English, in our language, the way God intended it. He chose the translators, and he was there with them through every single word translated into our language for our benefit. I believe this with all my heart, and if you don't that's your choice. I can't force you.

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Get it? If you truly want the truth of the matter, look to the Hebrew and Greek – not the English.

I know I sound stubborn to you but this is what I learn't also. These are not my words ok, I can't remember where I got it from.

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“There are basically 2 bibles in the world today translated into English.
One is translated from the Majority text which is KJV of which there are now 64,000 manuscripts – (at the time King James guys did it, there were only 5000.)

Then there is a whole world of bibles translated from Wescott & Hort. Two choices.

There are more manuscripts of the bible that any other old book.

In 1946 they found 24,000 more manuscripts, then the dead sea scrolls were discovered and they have 64,000 manuscripts that support KJV and 3 complete manuscripts and 46 Fragments that support the Alexandria.

Then the Isaiah scroll that was found in the dead sea scrolls was actually 1000 years older than any other manuscript.”
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64,000 versus 3 complete manuscripts, and 46 fragments.
How can you even compare?

January 22, 2014 at 6:10 pm#368159

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In 1946 they found 24,000 more manuscripts, then the dead sea scrolls were discovered and they have 64,000 manuscripts that support KJV

WHAT VERSION OF kjv BECAUSE YOU DO NOT EMBRACE ALL THE VERSIONS RIGHT

YOU SAY;

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The New KJV has stolen the name only, but corrupted the words inside. They are not related.

(at the time King James guys did it, there were only 5000.)

HOW COULD A TRANSLATION BE EQUAL BASED ON 60000 MORE MANUSCRIPTS THAN THE ONE OF LESS THAN 60000 MANUSCRIPTS

DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT

January 23, 2014 at 12:57 am#368209