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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 04 2014,05:01) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2014,15:36) But you said He was created in year one, when he was born?
He was created/begotten of God before the ages. (Jude 1:25)He was born of Mary in 1 AD.
He became the firstborn from the dead in 33 AD.
MikeB.What sort of bible are you reading?
Jude 1:25 ***To the only wise God our Saviour***,
be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and
ever. Amen.There is only one God and with him is his *own Word*.
We can not *invent another* lesser god with Him.
For that makes it two gods.The Word is part of God, given a form in God's own image.
Perhaps this is too deep to understand.
You need to be weaned from the breast first, to tackle the deep things of God.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2014,04:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 04 2014,05:01) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2014,15:36) But you said He was created in year one, when he was born?
He was created/begotten of God before the ages. (Jude 1:25)He was born of Mary in 1 AD.
He became the firstborn from the dead in 33 AD.
MikeB.What sort of bible are you reading?
Jude 1:25 ***To the only wise God our Saviour***,
be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and
ever. Amen.There is only one God and with him is his *own Word*.
We can not *invent another* lesser god with Him.
For that makes it two gods.The Word is part of God, given a form in God's own image.
Perhaps this is too deep to understand.
You need to be weaned from the breast first, to tackle the deep things of God.wakeup.
wJude 1:25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.NIV
JUDE 1:25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.NAS
Jude 1;25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.RKJV
Jude 1:25
NETbible
to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time, and now, and for all eternity. Amen.we know you get easy lost
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2014,12:32) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2014,04:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 04 2014,05:01) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2014,15:36) But you said He was created in year one, when he was born?
He was created/begotten of God before the ages. (Jude 1:25)He was born of Mary in 1 AD.
He became the firstborn from the dead in 33 AD.
MikeB.What sort of bible are you reading?
Jude 1:25 ***To the only wise God our Saviour***,
be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and
ever. Amen.There is only one God and with him is his *own Word*.
We can not *invent another* lesser god with Him.
For that makes it two gods.The Word is part of God, given a form in God's own image.
Perhaps this is too deep to understand.
You need to be weaned from the breast first, to tackle the deep things of God.wakeup.
wJude 1:25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.NIV
JUDE 1:25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.NAS
Jude 1;25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.RKJV
Jude 1:25
NETbible
to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time, and now, and for all eternity. Amen.we know you get easy lost
T.That only is proof that God and the saviour Jesus
is one. They both belong together.
Before Jesus was born;it was God and his Word together one.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,16:09) We can not *invent another* lesser god with Him.
For that makes it two gods.
There are MANY gods, and MANY lords, both in heaven, and on earth. Many more than just two, Wakeup. Jehovah is the Most High of them all, and Jesus is the second most high of them all.Btw, I didn't “invent” this. It is right there in the scriptures for all to see.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,16:09) The Word is part of God, given a form in God's own image.
Perhaps this is too deep to understand.
Perhaps if YOU were able to actually EXPLAIN your understanding in a clear and sensible manner, it wouldn't be too deep to understand.So…… explain to me whether Jesus is a being OTHER THAN God, or is Jesus actually a PART OF God Almighty? Which one?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,13:20) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,16:09) We can not *invent another* lesser god with Him.
For that makes it two gods.
There are MANY gods, and MANY lords, both in heaven, and on earth. Many more than just two, Wakeup. Jehovah is the Most High of them all, and Jesus is the second most high of them all.Btw, I didn't “invent” this. It is right there in the scriptures for all to see.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,16:09) The Word is part of God, given a form in God's own image.
Perhaps this is too deep to understand.
Perhaps if YOU were able to actually EXPLAIN your understanding in a clear and sensible manner, it wouldn't be too deep to understand.So…… explain to me whether Jesus is a being OTHER THAN God, or is Jesus actually a PART OF God Almighty? Which one?
MIke B.There are many gods,we are gods.
The word god can only be applied to angels and humans,
not to animals.
The word god is not a NAME AS SUCH.
Our names is not god; the angels names is not god.But we are all *identified* as gods.But we are all not to worship each other,but love each other.
There is only one God to be WORSHIPPED BY ALL,
and **HIS NAME** IS YHWH.Question:
Do you believe that God *CAN* give his living;life giving WORD,
A SHAPE/FORM in His own image,and have his mind connected to that living image??
If you do; than you are closer to home.My mind is connected to my word.
If I only can project my word into a solid person like myself,but that would not possible for us to do. Only in holograms maybe.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 05 2014,21:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,13:20)
So…… explain to me whether Jesus is a being OTHER THAN God, or is Jesus actually a PART OF God Almighty? Which one?
If I only can project my word into a solid person like myself,but that would not possible for us to do. Only in holograms maybe.
Why don't you answer the question in a direct manner, Wakeup? Why have you NEVER answered it?You tell me it's “too deep” for me, but then give me no answers to make it less deep.
If you DID project your word into a solid person LIKE yourself, would that word be a person LIKE yourself – as you've said? Or would that other person still be YOU?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 08 2014,12:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 05 2014,21:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,13:20)
So…… explain to me whether Jesus is a being OTHER THAN God, or is Jesus actually a PART OF God Almighty? Which one?
If I only can project my word into a solid person like myself,but that would not possible for us to do. Only in holograms maybe.
Why don't you answer the question in a direct manner, Wakeup? Why have you NEVER answered it?You tell me it's “too deep” for me, but then give me no answers to make it less deep.
If you DID project your word into a solid person LIKE yourself, would that word be a person LIKE yourself – as you've said? Or would that other person still be YOU?
MikeI've seen Wakeup explain it to you about 100 times on here. Why are you speaking in a condescending manner when he is being patient with you? Are you not brothers?
Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 08 2014,08:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 08 2014,12:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 05 2014,21:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,13:20)
So…… explain to me whether Jesus is a being OTHER THAN God, or is Jesus actually a PART OF God Almighty? Which one?
If I only can project my word into a solid person like myself,but that would not possible for us to do. Only in holograms maybe.
Why don't you answer the question in a direct manner, Wakeup? Why have you NEVER answered it?You tell me it's “too deep” for me, but then give me no answers to make it less deep.
If you DID project your word into a solid person LIKE yourself, would that word be a person LIKE yourself – as you've said? Or would that other person still be YOU?
MikeI've seen Wakeup explain it to you about 100 times on here. Why are you speaking in a condescending manner when he is being patient with you? Are you not brothers?
j42here again you do not give strait answers only deluded answers that can be taken in various ways ,
be honest and strait forward i be the same ;
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 08 2014,12:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 05 2014,21:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,13:20)
So…… explain to me whether Jesus is a being OTHER THAN God, or is Jesus actually a PART OF God Almighty? Which one?
If I only can project my word into a solid person like myself,but that would not possible for us to do. Only in holograms maybe.
Why don't you answer the question in a direct manner, Wakeup? Why have you NEVER answered it?You tell me it's “too deep” for me, but then give me no answers to make it less deep.
If you DID project your word into a solid person LIKE yourself, would that word be a person LIKE yourself – as you've said? Or would that other person still be YOU?
MIke B.Maybe this will work.
God has a mind;and his words came out of His mind.
His Word is the result of His thinking.
God and his mind are one. Can not be seperated.wakeup.
Quote j42 here again you do not give strait answers only deluded answers that can be taken in various ways ,
be honest and strait forward i be the same ;
Pierre,Wakeup explains it this way, you cannot understand,
so he explains it another way to make it more simple,
you still cannot understand,
so he tries again from a different angle,
still no comprehension,
he gives examples, like you would when teaching a child,
and your're completely baffled
He had tried the straight out direct answer, but it's a little complicated, so it goes on and on,
and I jump in to help out too,
How do you explain the spiritual way God does things to the carnal mind?
It's very hard.
God's ways are different from our ways.Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 08 2014,18:02) Quote j42 here again you do not give strait answers only deluded answers that can be taken in various ways ,
be honest and strait forward i be the same ;
Pierre,Wakeup explains it this way, you cannot understand,
so he explains it another way to make it more simple,
you still cannot understand,
so he tries again from a different angle,
still no comprehension,
he gives examples, like you would when teaching a child,
and your're completely baffled
He had tried the straight out direct answer, but it's a little complicated, so it goes on and on,
and I jump in to help out too,
How do you explain the spiritual way God does things to the carnal mind?
It's very hard.
God's ways are different from our ways.
J42Quote How do you explain the spiritual way God does things to the carnal mind? you cannot unless you using scriptures ,and your explanation does not brake another scriptures , if it does it is your view that is wrong not the scriptures ,unless ,it is a miss translator mistake with bias view
and you should understand that most of us are not CARNAL ORIENTED but very spiritual ;we read the scriptures and study it intensively and so can see what is supported or not supported in scriptures ,
and you guys have many issues that are not supported in scriptures ,i have pointed many out to wakeup,and you ,so try to make it in line with the scriptures or change and accept what scriptures says ,
understand that all is said in scriptures no need to bring new explanations to it ,men's view is also to be avoided,also views that favored one men over the other is also to be avoided unless it is righteousness and truth for the glory of God ,
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 09 2014,00:46) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 08 2014,18:02) Quote j42 here again you do not give strait answers only deluded answers that can be taken in various ways ,
be honest and strait forward i be the same ;
Pierre,Wakeup explains it this way, you cannot understand,
so he explains it another way to make it more simple,
you still cannot understand,
so he tries again from a different angle,
still no comprehension,
he gives examples, like you would when teaching a child,
and your're completely baffled
He had tried the straight out direct answer, but it's a little complicated, so it goes on and on,
and I jump in to help out too,
How do you explain the spiritual way God does things to the carnal mind?
It's very hard.
God's ways are different from our ways.
J42Quote How do you explain the spiritual way God does things to the carnal mind? you cannot unless you using scriptures ,and your explanation does not brake another scriptures , if it does it is your view that is wrong not the scriptures ,unless ,it is a miss translator mistake with bias view
and you should understand that most of us are not CARNAL ORIENTED but very spiritual ;we read the scriptures and study it intensively and so can see what is supported or not supported in scriptures ,
and you guys have many issues that are not supported in scriptures ,i have pointed many out to wakeup,and you ,so try to make it in line with the scriptures or change and accept what scriptures says ,
understand that all is said in scriptures no need to bring new explanations to it ,men's view is also to be avoided,also views that favored one men over the other is also to be avoided unless it is righteousness and truth for the glory of God ,
T.Why do some go to bible study?
They can read.
Why do pupils need teachers,if they can read?You can read;why are you so confused?
Because you need someone with knowledge to teach you.
But you are too proud to be seen as a pupil.
The proud will be brought low.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 08 2014,19:52) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 09 2014,00:46) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 08 2014,18:02) Quote j42 here again you do not give strait answers only deluded answers that can be taken in various ways ,
be honest and strait forward i be the same ;
Pierre,Wakeup explains it this way, you cannot understand,
so he explains it another way to make it more simple,
you still cannot understand,
so he tries again from a different angle,
still no comprehension,
he gives examples, like you would when teaching a child,
and your're completely baffled
He had tried the straight out direct answer, but it's a little complicated, so it goes on and on,
and I jump in to help out too,
How do you explain the spiritual way God does things to the carnal mind?
It's very hard.
God's ways are different from our ways.
J42Quote How do you explain the spiritual way God does things to the carnal mind? you cannot unless you using scriptures ,and your explanation does not brake another scriptures , if it does it is your view that is wrong not the scriptures ,unless ,it is a miss translator mistake with bias view
and you should understand that most of us are not CARNAL ORIENTED but very spiritual ;we read the scriptures and study it intensively and so can see what is supported or not supported in scriptures ,
and you guys have many issues that are not supported in scriptures ,i have pointed many out to wakeup,and you ,so try to make it in line with the scriptures or change and accept what scriptures says ,
understand that all is said in scriptures no need to bring new explanations to it ,men's view is also to be avoided,also views that favored one men over the other is also to be avoided unless it is righteousness and truth for the glory of God ,
T.Why do some go to bible study?
They can read.
Why do pupils need teachers,if they can read?You can read;why are you so confused?
Because you need someone with knowledge to teach you.
But you are too proud to be seen as a pupil.
The proud will be brought low.wakeup.
WAKEUPWE DO NOT GO TO MEN STUDY ;WE PERSONALLY STUDY THE SCRIPTURES ,BY READING IT AND SEARCHING THE TRUTH THAT GOD COULD GIVE TO US ,
W
Quote You can read;why are you so confused?
Because you need someone with knowledge to teach you.
But you are too proud to be seen as a pupil.
The proud will be brought low.IT IS NOT WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES THAT THE “KJV” IS THE VERSION THAT GOD AS PRESERVED FOR ALL MEN ;THIS IS FROM MEN WHY DO YOU WHO SAYS STICK TO SCRIPTURES ,GO TO MEN FOR YOUR OWN INSTRUCTIONS
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 09 2014,01:02) W Quote You can read;why are you so confused?
Because you need someone with knowledge to teach you.
But you are too proud to be seen as a pupil.
The proud will be brought low.IT IS NOT WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES THAT THE “KJV” IS THE VERSION THAT GOD AS PRESERVED FOR ALL MEN ;THIS IS FROM MEN WHY DO YOU WHO SAYS STICK TO SCRIPTURES ,GO TO MEN FOR YOUR OWN INSTRUCTIONS
T.First:
We have understood the scriptures by the teachings of our
brethren the apostles.How else can you understand scriptures? All by your self? With no new testament?
The apostles are our teachers taught by the Holy Spirit.Second:
The KJV does not contradict itself,therefore the true bible.
All scriptures are in harmony.Not so with most of the new translations.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2014,01:07) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 09 2014,01:02) W Quote You can read;why are you so confused?
Because you need someone with knowledge to teach you.
But you are too proud to be seen as a pupil.
The proud will be brought low.IT IS NOT WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES THAT THE “KJV” IS THE VERSION THAT GOD AS PRESERVED FOR ALL MEN ;THIS IS FROM MEN WHY DO YOU WHO SAYS STICK TO SCRIPTURES ,GO TO MEN FOR YOUR OWN INSTRUCTIONS
T.First:
We have understood the scriptures by the teachings of our
brethren the apostles.How else can you understand scriptures? All by your self? With no new testament?
The apostles are our teachers taught by the Holy Spirit.Second:
The KJV does not contradict itself,therefore the true bible.
All scriptures are in harmony.Not so with most of the new translations.wakeup.
WQuote First:
We have understood the scriptures by the teachings of our
brethren the apostles.How else can you understand scriptures? All by your self? With no new testament?
The apostles are our teachers taught by the Holy Spirit.Second:
The KJV does not contradict itself,therefore the true bible.
All scriptures are in harmony.Not so with most of the new translations.1) I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU TRY TO SAY ,COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC
2) WRONG THE KJV CONTRADICT GOD'S PERSON ;GOD DID NOT CREATED EVIL
Quote All scriptures are in harmony IN THE KJV NOT SO MY FRIEND WE HAVE SHOW YOU THAT IT IS NOT ,BUT YOU DISMISS ANY THING THAT SAY OR SHOW SO ; THIS SHOWS YOU HAVE A BIAS VIEW TOWARD OTHER VERSIONS OF THE SCRIPTURES ,
NOW I DO NOT SAY THAT THE OTHERS ARE ANY BETTER ,BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE BEEN MANIPULATED BY BIAS MEN ,OR NOT SO PERFECT MEN,
Quote WAKEUP WE DO NOT GO TO MEN STUDY ;WE PERSONALLY STUDY THE SCRIPTURES ,BY READING IT AND SEARCHING THE TRUTH THAT GOD COULD GIVE TO US ,
PierreYou have contradicted the scriptures once again.
Acts 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus.
Acts 18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
Acts 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
We brothers and sisters in Christ should be one big happy family. We God fearing have come to the scriptures to gain understanding. The more we feed, the more measure of the holy spirit is given to help us understand. When we come together we talk with joy about the wonderful things God has shared with us. Often, one of us will say, I really enjoyed that verse in that chapter, did you read it? and his brother will say, yeah but I can't see the meaning in it, can you explain to me brother what you see? And when explained, if his brother understands, then the holy spirit has given a gentle guide, ….if he still does not understand, then the holy spirit has not been present, and God is not ready to add to that persons measure at that time.
Do not be too proud and think you know everything, for God works in mysterious ways, and when we are gathered together in his name, Christ is there in the midst, guiding us into more truth. You may not have experienced this joy, but I have, and my brothers have also. We all share with each other what the spirit has revealed, and we all receive it gladly. We do not bury our penny in the sand.
Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 09 2014,06:58) Quote WAKEUP WE DO NOT GO TO MEN STUDY ;WE PERSONALLY STUDY THE SCRIPTURES ,BY READING IT AND SEARCHING THE TRUTH THAT GOD COULD GIVE TO US ,
PierreYou have contradicted the scriptures once again.
Acts 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus.
Acts 18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
Acts 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
We brothers and sisters in Christ should be one big happy family. We God fearing have come to the scriptures to gain understanding. The more we feed, the more measure of the holy spirit is given to help us understand. When we come together we talk with joy about the wonderful things God has shared with us. Often, one of us will say, I really enjoyed that verse in that chapter, did you read it? and his brother will say, yeah but I can't see the meaning in it, can you explain to me brother what you see? And when explained, if his brother understands, then the holy spirit has given a gentle guide, ….if he still does not understand, then the holy spirit has not been present, and God is not ready to add to that persons measure at that time.
Do not be too proud and think you know everything, for God works in mysterious ways, and when we are gathered together in his name, Christ is there in the midst, guiding us into more truth. You may not have experienced this joy, but I have, and my brothers have also. We all share with each other what the spirit has revealed, and we all receive it gladly. We do not bury our penny in the sand.
J42Acts 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus.
Acts 18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
Acts 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
THOSE ARE YOUR QUOTED SCRIPTURES UNDERSTAND THAT THE FIRST TWO VERSES QUALIFY HIM TO BE NOTICED AND TAKEN ASIDE TO BRING HIM UP TO DATE WITH CHRIST ;BECAUSE HIS KNOWLEDGE WAS STOPPED AT JOHN THE BAPTIST ;SO THEY AQUILA AND PRISCILLA WOULD INFORM HIM OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN FROM JOHN THE BAPTIST TO THE DEAD OF CHRIST AND HIS RESURRECTION, WITH THE O.T SCRIPTURES ,
THAT IS THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THOSE VERSES
Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 07 2014,20:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 08 2014,12:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 05 2014,21:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,13:20)
So…… explain to me whether Jesus is a being OTHER THAN God, or is Jesus actually a PART OF God Almighty? Which one?
If I only can project my word into a solid person like myself,but that would not possible for us to do. Only in holograms maybe.
Why don't you answer the question in a direct manner, Wakeup? Why have you NEVER answered it?You tell me it's “too deep” for me, but then give me no answers to make it less deep.
If you DID project your word into a solid person LIKE yourself, would that word be a person LIKE yourself – as you've said? Or would that other person still be YOU?
MikeI've seen Wakeup explain it to you about 100 times on here. Why are you speaking in a condescending manner when he is being patient with you? Are you not brothers?
It is not my intention to be condescending towards my brother Wakeup.And perhaps “explain” is the wrong word to use, because the “explanations” he has given me up to this point are more bizarre and confusing than the initial unscriptural claims he makes.
What I'm looking for is a DIRECT answer. And I have asked him, using the words “DIRECT ANSWER” many, many, many times.
YOU gave me a direct answer to this question the FIRST time you got involved. Why can't he?
Btw, how have you been? And WHERE have you been?
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