A false view of matthew 4:4?

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Hi Wakeup:

The problem is that you have not read all that Jesus said in John 6 in context. The Jews were offended because he was speaking about eating his flesh and drinking his flesh………..

The Jews were also confused that Jesus, a man whose parents they all knew, said he came down from heaven.

But not one of them failed to understand WHAT he said. They just didn't understand WHY he would say such a thing.

I believe my Lord literally came down from heaven – just like he said he did.

Do you?

Hi Mike:

Of course, I do. Jesus said this:

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Jhn 6:31

Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Jhn 6:32

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

Jhn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

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Luk 1:31

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Luk 1:32

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Luk 1:33

And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

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Jhn 6:51

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

And he explained what he meant by his statement about eating his flesh:

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Jhn 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

I have already posted scriptures from Hebrews 1:1-2, and from John 12 that shows that it was God speaking to humanity through him, but here is another:)

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Jhn 14:10
Beleviest thou that I am in the Father and the Father, in me?the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty.

JESUS WAS NOT ANOINTED BY THE hOLY GHOST AT THE AGE OF THIRTY,BUT SINCE CONCEPTION.

AT HIS BABTISM, THE DOVE DECENDED UPON HIM AS A SIGN FOR JOHN; THAT HE IS INDEED THE MESSIAH.

HE BEGAN DISCUSSING SCRIPTURES IN THE SYNAGO AT AN EARLY AGE.

wakeup.

WAKEUP

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THE DOVE DECENDED UPON HIM AS A SIGN FOR JOHN

NO DOVE DESCENDED ;BUT ;

DOVE LIKE ” FORM

A technicality that does not seem to significantly change what wakeup was saying. It is wise for wakeup to learn to dot all his i's and cross all his t's anyways.

i,know

September 9, 2013 at 6:14 pm#357229

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Hi Wakeup:

The problem is that you have not read all that Jesus said in John 6 in context. The Jews were offended because he was speaking about eating his flesh and drinking his flesh………..

The Jews were also confused that Jesus, a man whose parents they all knew, said he came down from heaven.

But not one of them failed to understand WHAT he said. They just didn't understand WHY he would say such a thing.

I believe my Lord literally came down from heaven – just like he said he did.

Do you?

Hi Mike:

Of course, I do. Jesus said this:

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Jhn 6:31

Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Jhn 6:32

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

Jhn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

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Luk 1:31

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Luk 1:32

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Luk 1:33

And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

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Jhn 6:51

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

And he explained what he meant by his statement about eating his flesh:

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Jhn 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

I have already posted scriptures from Hebrews 1:1-2, and from John 12 that shows that it was God speaking to humanity through him, but here is another:)

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Jhn 14:10
Beleviest thou that I am in the Father and the Father, in me?the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty.

JESUS WAS NOT ANOINTED BY THE hOLY GHOST AT THE AGE OF THIRTY,BUT SINCE CONCEPTION.

AT HIS BABTISM, THE DOVE DECENDED UPON HIM AS A SIGN FOR JOHN; THAT HE IS INDEED THE MESSIAH.

HE BEGAN DISCUSSING SCRIPTURES IN THE SYNAGO AT AN EARLY AGE.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

This what the scriptures state:

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Luk 3:21
Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
Luk 3:22
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Luk 3:23
And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed ) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

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Luk 4:1
And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

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And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
Luk 4:14
And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
Luk 4:15
And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Luk 4:16
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sab
Luk 4:17
And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the bo
ok, he found the place where it was written,
4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20
And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21
And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
bath day, and stood up for to read.

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Preaching to Cornelius’ Household

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him. 36 The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ—He is Lord of all— 37 that word you know, which was proclaimed throughout all Judea, and began from Galilee after the baptism which John preached: 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom they[e] killed by hanging on a tree. 40 Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, 41 not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. 42 And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead. 43 To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”

Love in Christ,
Marty

September 9, 2013 at 11:24 pm#357249

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Hi Wakeup:

The problem is that you have not read all that Jesus said in John 6 in context. The Jews were offended because he was speaking about eating his flesh and drinking his flesh………..

The Jews were also confused that Jesus, a man whose parents they all knew, said he came down from heaven.

But not one of them failed to understand WHAT he said. They just didn't understand WHY he would say such a thing.

I believe my Lord literally came down from heaven – just like he said he did.

Do you?

Hi Mike:

Of course, I do. Jesus said this:

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Jhn 6:31

Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Jhn 6:32

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

Jhn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

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Luk 1:31

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Luk 1:32

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Luk 1:33

And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

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Jhn 6:51

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

And he explained what he meant by his statement about eating his flesh:

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Jhn 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

I have already posted scriptures from Hebrews 1:1-2, and from John 12 that shows that it was God speaking to humanity through him, but here is another:)

Quote

Jhn 14:10
Beleviest thou that I am in the Father and the Father, in me?the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty.

JESUS WAS NOT ANOINTED BY THE hOLY GHOST AT THE AGE OF THIRTY,BUT SINCE CONCEPTION.

AT HIS BABTISM, THE DOVE DECENDED UPON HIM AS A SIGN FOR JOHN; THAT HE IS INDEED THE MESSIAH.

HE BEGAN DISCUSSING SCRIPTURES IN THE SYNAGO AT AN EARLY AGE.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

This what the scriptures state:

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Luk 4:1
And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

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And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
Luk 4:14
And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
Luk 4:15
And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Luk 4:16
And he ca
me to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sab
Luk 4:17
And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20
And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21
And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
bath day, and stood up for to read.

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Preaching to Cornelius’ Household

Love in Christ,
Marty

marty

closthers of scriptures ,for specific imaginary answer to some thing you do not really understand or stay true in the view of the entire scriptures including it details ;

this is the typical practice of the ignorant RELIGION SECTS ALL OF THEM ,

September 10, 2013 at 6:27 am#357313

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Quote (942767 @ Sep. 07 2013,15:10)

Hi Wakeup:

The problem is that you have not read all that Jesus said in John 6 in context. The Jews were offended because he was speaking about eating his flesh and drinking his flesh………..

The Jews were also confused that Jesus, a man whose parents they all knew, said he came down from heaven.

But not one of them failed to understand WHAT he said. They just didn't understand WHY he would say such a thing.

I believe my Lord literally came down from heaven – just like he said he did.

Do you?

Hi Mike:

Of course, I do. Jesus said this:

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Jhn 6:31

Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Jhn 6:32

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

Jhn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

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Luk 1:31

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Luk 1:32

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Luk 1:33

And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Quote

Jhn 6:51

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

And he explained what he meant by his statement about eating his flesh:

Quote

Jhn 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

I have already posted scriptures from Hebrews 1:1-2, and from John 12 that shows that it was God speaking to humanity through him, but here is another:)

Quote

Jhn 14:10
Beleviest thou that I am in the Father and the Father, in me?the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty.

JESUS WAS NOT ANOINTED BY THE hOLY GHOST AT THE AGE OF THIRTY,BUT SINCE CONCEPTION.

AT HIS BABTISM, THE DOVE DECENDED UPON HIM AS A SIGN FOR JOHN; THAT HE IS INDEED THE MESSIAH.

HE BEGAN DISCUSSING SCRIPTURES IN THE SYNAGO AT AN EARLY AGE.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

This what the scriptures state:

Quote

Luk 4:1
And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

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And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
Luk 4:14
And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
Luk 4:15
And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Luk 4:16
And he ca
me to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sab
Luk 4:17
And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20
And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21
And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
bath day, and stood up for to read.

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Preaching to Cornelius’ Household

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty.

All that just to proof that jesus only received the holy spirit at babtism?

Was the holy spirit not involved in his birth?
Do you believe Jesus was the Word?
If so than you also must believe that the holy spirit is always in the Word. There can not be God's Word with no Holy spirit.

wakeup.

September 10, 2013 at 9:09 am#357321

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wakeup

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Marty.

All that just to proof that jesus only received the holy spirit at babtism?

wakeup.

and still ;do not see ;because they all see the “clusters ” of verses ,but do not analyze themselves if it is true ,

how can someone BE BORN THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND POWER OF GOD ,and not be full of that same spirit ?

then they religion leaders ,take actions and tell them that it is the way they say it is ;and like sheep they say “AMEN”

THEY RECEIVE A TAP ON THE SHOULDER ,AND EVERYONE GOES BACK HOME HAPPY TO HAVE LEARN A LIE (SORRY ,HUM ,YOU MEAN IT COULD BE A TRUTH HOW ? WELL LET TAKE A LITTLE TIME AND FIX IT ;NOW WE DIG INTO ,OPINIONS ,FIND EVIDENCE (SMALL SECTIONS OF WORDING IN SCRIPTURES THAT CAN FIT THE SCENARIO,POLISH IT ,AND BINGO ;CLUSTERED INTO THE BIGGER PICTURE ET VOILA .)

THE INCONVENIENCE OF SOME STRAIT FORWARD SCRIPTURES DOES NOT MOVE THE LIARS ;ITS A CHALLENGE FOR THEM ,

ARE WE HAPPY THAT GOD HIS RIGHTEOUS ,AND TRUTH ,

September 10, 2013 at 7:23 pm#357345

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Quote (942767 @ Sep. 10 2013,05:14)

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 08 2013,14:55)

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 08 2013,10:46)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2013,09:17)

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 07 2013,15:10)

Hi Wakeup:

The problem is that you have not read all that Jesus said in John 6 in context. The Jews were offended because he was speaking about eating his flesh and drinking his flesh………..

The Jews were also confused that Jesus, a man whose parents they all knew, said he came down from heaven.

But not one of them failed to understand WHAT he said. They just didn't understand WHY he would say such a thing.

I believe my Lord literally came down from heaven – just like he said he did.

Do you?

Hi Mike:

Of course, I do. Jesus said this:

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Jhn 6:31

Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Jhn 6:32

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

Jhn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

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Luk 1:31

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Luk 1:32

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Luk 1:33

And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Quote

Jhn 6:51

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

And he explained what he meant by his statement about eating his flesh:

Quote

Jhn 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

I have already posted scriptures from Hebrews 1:1-2, and from John 12 that shows that it was God speaking to humanity through him, but here is another:)

Quote

Jhn 14:10
Beleviest thou that I am in the Father and the Father, in me?the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty.

JESUS WAS NOT ANOINTED BY THE hOLY GHOST AT THE AGE OF THIRTY,BUT SINCE CONCEPTION.

AT HIS BABTISM, THE DOVE DECENDED UPON HIM AS A SIGN FOR JOHN; THAT HE IS INDEED THE MESSIAH.

HE BEGAN DISCUSSING SCRIPTURES IN THE SYNAGO AT AN EARLY AGE.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

This what the scriptures state:

Quote

Luk 4:1
And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Quote

And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
Luk 4:14
And Jesus ret
urned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
Luk 4:15
And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Luk 4:16
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sab
Luk 4:17
And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20
And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21
And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
bath day, and stood up for to read.

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Preaching to Cornelius’ Household

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty.

All that just to proof that jesus only received the holy spirit at babtism?

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

The scripture states that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, but he was born of a woman under the Law, meaning that he was just like any other Jewish lad who was being raised by Jewish parents under the Law. He was not filled with the Holy Ghost until he was baptized in the Jordan river and sent forth in his ministry, having been anointed with the Holy Ghost and power. (I have given you scripture to show that this latter statement is true, and that is all I can do)

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Gal 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Now, the scriptures do state that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost from the womb.

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Luk 1:13
But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John
Luk 1:14
And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
Luk 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

But the scriptures do not say this about Jesus as far as I can tell. If you have scripture to show that he was filled with the Holy Ghost from the womb, please post it.

Love in Christ,
Marty

September 10, 2013 at 7:30 pm#357346

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Hi Wakeup:

I missed your question asking me if I believe that Jesus is the Word. I believe that he is the Son of the Living God through whom God has spoken to humanity. He is not “the Word”. The Word is what God has spoken through him. I have already given you scriptures. And the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.

Love in Christ,
Marty

September 11, 2013 at 12:34 am#357376

GeneBalthrop

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Hi Wakeup:

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty……..You have it right Brother.

Peace and love to you and your…………………….gene

September 11, 2013 at 2:38 am#357384

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Quote (942767 @ Sep. 11 2013,06:30)

Hi Wakeup:

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty.

How would you interpret this verse.

**And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us**.

wakeup.

September 11, 2013 at 2:42 am#357385

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 10 2013,20:09)

wakeup

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Marty.

All that just to proof that jesus only received the holy spirit at babtism?

wakeup.

and still ;do not see ;because they all see the “clusters ” of verses ,but do not analyze themselves if it is true ,

how can someone BE BORN THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND POWER OF GOD ,and not be full of that same spirit ?

then they religion leaders ,take actions and tell them that it is the way they say it is ;and like sheep they say “AMEN”

THE INCONVENIENCE OF SOME STRAIT FORWARD SCRIPTURES DOES NOT MOVE THE LIARS ;ITS A CHALLENGE FOR THEM ,

ARE WE HAPPY THAT GOD HIS RIGHTEOUS ,AND TRUTH ,

Terra.

No man can come to the Father,unless the father draws him. And the Son will feed them.

wakeup.

September 11, 2013 at 3:00 am#357386

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2013,04:17)

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Hi Wakeup:

The problem is that you have not read all that Jesus said in John 6 in context. The Jews were offended because he was speaking about eating his flesh and drinking his flesh………..

The Jews were also confused that Jesus, a man whose parents they all knew, said he came down from heaven.

But not one of them failed to understand WHAT he said. They just didn't understand WHY he would say such a thing.

I believe my Lord literally came down from heaven – just like he said he did.

Do you?

Mike,

Do believe that those who do not eat Jesus' literal flesh and literal blood will not enter the kingdom of heaven?

Do you instead believe Jesus was speaking metaphorically?

In each case why do you believe what you do?

Kerwin.

When you read the scriptures;
are you not moved sometimes by those words in print.
Does it not stirrup your spirit?
Well that's because of the *spirit* in those words.

That is *the body of Christ*;and that's what we should eat of. Forget the flesh,he is spirit.

Mens words also have a spirit;
The spirit of anger.
The spirit of love.
The spirit of deceiving.
The spirit of envy.
The spirit of lying.

If one read a sad story book;one sometimes cry.
Because of *the spirit* of sadness is in the words.

wakeup.

September 11, 2013 at 11:08 am#357403

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Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,08:42)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 10 2013,20:09)

wakeup

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Marty.

All that just to proof that jesus only received the holy spirit at babtism?

wakeup.

and still ;do not see ;because they all see the “clusters ” of verses ,but do not analyze themselves if it is true ,

how can someone BE BORN THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND POWER OF GOD ,and not be full of that same spirit ?

then they religion leaders ,take actions and tell them that it is the way they say it is ;and like sheep they say “AMEN”

THE INCONVENIENCE OF SOME STRAIT FORWARD SCRIPTURES DOES NOT MOVE THE LIARS ;ITS A CHALLENGE FOR THEM ,

ARE WE HAPPY THAT GOD HIS RIGHTEOUS ,AND TRUTH ,

Terra.

No man can come to the Father,unless the father draws him. And the Son will feed them.

wakeup.

wakeup

that is true ,BUT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THOSE WORDS IS LIKE THIS :

MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THOSE WORDS MEAN ,THAT IT IS GOD THAT IS PULLING YOU ,THIS I DO NOT BELIEVE ,

THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT AS A WHOLE IN SCRIPTURES ,IS THAT ;

IT IS OURSELF WHO ARE EITHER ARE ATTRACTED TO THE THINGS OF GOD (SPIRITUALITY OF GOD'S UNDERSTANDING)OR WE DO NOT AND LIVE A LIFE IN THE FLESH,

SEE THERE IS THE DIFFERENCE ;BUT NO WHERE IN SCRIPTURES IT SAYS ABOUT DRAWN AS PULLING US, BUT MORE DRAWN AS INVITING US TO JOIN,HIM,

DID I ADDRESSED THIS RIGHT

THIS IS WHERE “BELIEVING IN CHRIST IS THE POWER OF GOD, DO NOT BELIEVE AND WE REJECT LIFE IT SELVES ,RIGHT

September 11, 2013 at 11:32 am#357407

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Terra.

A few scriptures to make it more clear.

John 6:44 *No man can come to me*, except the Father which hath sent me *draw him*: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will *draw all men unto me*.

God has many ways to draw his children out fo babylon.
Jesus is the magnet; only certain metals can a magnet draw.

wakeup.

September 11, 2013 at 11:39 am#357409

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Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,17:32)

Terra.

A few scriptures to make it more clear.

John 6:44 *No man can come to me*, except the Father which hath sent me *draw him*: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will *draw all men unto me*.

God has many ways to draw his children out fo babylon.
Jesus is the magnet; only certain metals can a magnet draw.

wakeup.

WAKEUP

WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS ,THAT GOD GIVES YOU THE MAGNET AND THEN LATER TAKE THE MAGNETISM OF CHRIST TO PULL YOU IN ?

IN ONE WAY ALL IS DONE BY GOD THEN ?

SO WE HAVE NO CHOICE ,THE FORCES OF THE ATTRACTION IS WHAT LEAD US OR KILLS US ?

September 14, 2013 at 4:19 pm#357659

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Hi Wakeup:

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty.

How would you interpret this verse.

**And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us**.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

The Greek word translated “Word” in John 1 including John 1:14 is “Logos” and it means “the sayings of God” and these sayings of God involved a plan to reconcile His children unto Himself through Jesus.

And so, the sayings of God pertain to Jesus and God's sending forth His Son into the world at a specified point in time which He did.

And so, the way I interpret John 1:14 is that those sayings of God pertaining to Jesus became a reality.

If you will look at a Greek interlinear New Testament you will see the that underneath the word “Logos” will be the English word “sayings”.

Love in Christ,
Marty

September 14, 2013 at 4:46 pm#357660

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Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,17:32)

Terra.

A few scriptures to make it more clear.

John 6:44 *No man can come to me*, except the Father which hath sent me *draw him*: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will *draw all men unto me*.

God has many ways to draw his children out fo babylon.
Jesus is the magnet; only certain metals can a magnet draw.

wakeup.

WAKEUP

true ,God never changes ;BUT YOU SEEM TO HAVE MADE ,HIM DIFFERENT IN HIS OWN ACTIONS ;

NEVER DID GOD DREW ANYONE ,EITHER IN TRUTH,RIGHTEOUSNESS
OR EVIL WAYS ,

IT IS TRUE THAT GOD ;AS USED THE EVIL OF MEN, AND THE RIGHTEOUS TO SHOW THE DEEDS OF THEM BOTH ,

AND SO ALWAYS ;INVITING ALL MEN TO DO GOOD AND SHY EVIL ,

THIS IS THE BASE OF OUR OWN SALVATION

LIKE I SAY ,YOU LIKE TO BELIEVE IN A LIE ,BUT I DO NOT ,

SO THIS CONVERSATION IS NOW CLOSE ;

September 14, 2013 at 9:54 pm#357672

kerwin

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Hi Wakeup:

The problem is that you have not read all that Jesus said in John 6 in context. The Jews were offended because he was speaking about eating his flesh and drinking his flesh………..

The Jews were also confused that Jesus, a man whose parents they all knew, said he came down from heaven.

But not one of them failed to understand WHAT he said. They just didn't understand WHY he would say such a thing.

I believe my Lord literally came down from heaven – just like he said he did.

Do you?

Mike,

Do believe that those who do not eat Jesus' literal flesh and literal blood will not enter the kingdom of heaven?

Do you instead believe Jesus was speaking metaphorically?

In each case why do you believe what you do?

Kerwin.

When you read the scriptures;
are you not moved sometimes by those words in print.
Does it not stirrup your spirit?
Well that's because of the *spirit* in those words.

That is *the body of Christ*;and that's what we should eat of. Forget the flesh,he is spirit.

Mens words also have a spirit;
The spirit of anger.
The spirit of love.
The spirit of deceiving.
The spirit of envy.
The spirit of lying.

If one read a sad story book;one sometimes cry.
Because of *the spirit* of sadness is in the words.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

My purpose was to point out that a “literal” interpretation can be a foolish interpretation. Mike did not answer my questions but you chose to use them to make your own point, though I am unclear how it relates to my own words.

Words can be used to evoke and appeal to emotion but Jesus' words are meant to appeal to the desire for the Spirit in those that hunger and thirst for righteousness. Jesus' “flesh” and “blood” fill those desires. Am I understanding you correctly.

September 14, 2013 at 10:20 pm#357675