A false view of matthew 4:4?

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 04 2013,13:08)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,11:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 03 2013,06:30) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 03 2013,05:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2013,12:56) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,12:47) Wakeup,   Do God's angels need to be instructed to worship God? Kerwin. You should know that. They are in heaven with God,seen God,and heard his voice. But they have not seen death,felt pain, cry in tears,murder, torture,and sufferings. This they have learned by observing mankind. Evil must come to the full for all to learn,and then it will be destroyed. Death must come to mankind for our learning,and then destroyed.  1 Peter 1:12   Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, *but unto us* they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; **which things the angels desire to look into**. The angels are also spiritually hungry for knowledge. Although they have knowledge,and plenty of it. wakeup. Wakeup, I do not see how any of that answered my question. Kerwin. What a silly question. The angels do not need instructions. They know and can see God,and understand that he is the creator of all;therefore only He is to be worshipped. We can not see God.Have not been to heaven. This is why we need to be given intructions about God. wakeup. Wakeup, Yet you are claiming that they require to be instructed to worship the word that comes out of his mouth. Note:  inserted the word “be” that I had previously dropped. Kerwin. The angels like to know what is instructed to men. They have never seen sufferings and death. Now they know. wakeup.

Wakeup,

I do not see where you answered my point that the angels were instructed to worship Jesus, who you claim is the word that comes out of God's mouth and that is a being.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2013,09:42)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 04 2013,13:08) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,11:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 03 2013,06:30) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 03 2013,05:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2013,12:56) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,12:47) Wakeup,   Do God's angels need to be instructed to worship God? Kerwin. You should know that. They are in heaven with God,seen God,and heard his voice. But they have not seen death,felt pain, cry in tears,murder, torture,and sufferings. This they have learned by observing mankind. Evil must come to the full for all to learn,and then it will be destroyed. Death must come to mankind for our learning,and then destroyed.  1 Peter 1:12   Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, *but unto us* they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; **which things the angels desire to look into**. The angels are also spiritually hungry for knowledge. Although they have knowledge,and plenty of it. wakeup. Wakeup, I do not see how any of that answered my question. Kerwin. What a silly question. The angels do not need instructions. They know and can see God,and understand that he is the creator of all;therefore only He is to be worshipped. We can not see God.Have not been to heaven. This is why we need to be given intructions about God. wakeup. Wakeup, Yet you are claiming that they require to be instructed to worship the word that comes out of his mouth. Note:  inserted the word “be” that I had previously dropped. Kerwin. The angels like to know what is instructed to men. They have never seen sufferings and death. Now they know. wakeup. Wakeup, I do not see where you answered my point that the angels were instructed to worship Jesus, who you claim is the word that comes out of God's mouth and that is a being.

Kerwin.

Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
***And let all the angels of God worship him***.

REPEAT: AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.

HIM=THE SON OF GOD.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,09:31)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2013,09:42) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 04 2013,13:08) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,11:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 03 2013,06:30) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 03 2013,05:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2013,12:56) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,12:47) Wakeup,   Do God's angels need to be instructed to worship God? Kerwin. You should know that. They are in heaven with God,seen God,and heard his voice. But they have not seen death,felt pain, cry in tears,murder, torture,and sufferings. This they have learned by observing mankind. Evil must come to the full for all to learn,and then it will be destroyed. Death must come to mankind for our learning,and then destroyed.  1 Peter 1:12   Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, *but unto us* they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; **which things the angels desire to look into**. The angels are also spiritually hungry for knowledge. Although they have knowledge,and plenty of it. wakeup. Wakeup, I do not see how any of that answered my question. Kerwin. What a silly question. The angels do not need instructions. They know and can see God,and understand that he is the creator of all;therefore only He is to be worshipped. We can not see God.Have not been to heaven. This is why we need to be given intructions about God. wakeup. Wakeup, Yet you are claiming that they require to be instructed to worship the word that comes out of his mouth. Note:  inserted the word “be” that I had previously dropped. Kerwin. The angels like to know what is instructed to men. They have never seen sufferings and death. Now they know. wakeup. Wakeup, I do not see where you answered my point that the angels were instructed to worship Jesus, who you claim is the word that comes out of God's mouth and that is a being. Kerwin. Hebrews 1:6   And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,      ***And let all the angels of God worship him***. REPEAT: AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM. HIM=THE SON OF GOD. wakeup.

Wakeup,

The angels have worshiped God from the point they were created. The have never been told to do so. There is not “Let the” as there is only “the angels worship God”

So are you claiming that the angels worshiped God's word when it was God then stopped worshiping it until the time he came into the world and God said “Let the..”?

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,10:57)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,09:31) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2013,09:42) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 04 2013,13:08) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,11:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 03 2013,06:30) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 03 2013,05:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2013,12:56) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,12:47) Wakeup,   Do God's angels need to be instructed to worship God? Kerwin. You should know that. They are in heaven with God,seen God,and heard his voice. But they have not seen death,felt pain, cry in tears,murder, torture,and sufferings. This they have learned by observing mankind. Evil must come to the full for all to learn,and then it will be destroyed. Death must come to mankind for our learning,and then destroyed.  1 Peter 1:12   Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, *but unto us* they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; **which things the angels desire to look into**. The angels are also spiritually hungry for knowledge. Although they have knowledge,and plenty of it. wakeup. Wakeup, I do not see how any of that answered my question. Kerwin. What a silly question. The angels do not need instructions. They know and can see God,and understand that he is the creator of all;therefore only He is to be worshipped. We can not see God.Have not been to heaven. This is why we need to be given intructions about God. wakeup. Wakeup, Yet you are claiming that they require to be instructed to worship the word that comes out of his mouth. Note:  inserted the word “be” that I had previously dropped. Kerwin. The angels like to know what is instructed to men. They have never seen sufferings and death. Now they know. wakeup. Wakeup, I do not see where you answered my point that the angels were instructed to worship Jesus, who you claim is the word that comes out of God's mouth and that is a being. Kerwin. Hebrews 1:6   And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,      ***And let all the angels of God worship him***. REPEAT: AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM. HIM=THE SON OF GOD. wakeup. Wakeup, The angels have worshiped God from the point they were created.  The have never been told to do so.  There is not “Let the”  as there is only “the angels worship God” So are you claiming that the angels worshiped God's word when it was God then stopped worshiping it until the time he came into the world and God said “Let the..”?

As I said before kerwin:
You just go for it, and pick the
scriptures that suits you best.
And have sweet dreams.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

k

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As I said before kerwin: You just go for it, and pick the scriptures that suits you best. And have sweet dreams. wakeup.

this is wakeup typical answer when he cannot answer your questions

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,01:07)

k Quote As I said before kerwin: You just go for it, and pick the scriptures that suits you best. And have sweet dreams. wakeup. this is wakeup typical answer when he cannot answer your questions

T.

You also dont believe that the angels worship Jesus?

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book,
***the four beasts and four and twenty elders***
***fell down before the Lamb***,
having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of
odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Close your eyes for it does not look good for your believe.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,19:38)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,10:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,09:31) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2013,09:42) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 04 2013,13:08) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,11:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 03 2013,06:30) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 03 2013,05:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2013,12:56) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,12:47) Wakeup,   Do God's angels need to be instructed to worship God? Kerwin. You should know that. They are in heaven with God,seen God,and heard his voice. But they have not seen death,felt pain, cry in tears,murder, torture,and sufferings. This they have learned by observing mankind. Evil must come to the full for all to learn,and then it will be destroyed. Death must come to mankind for our learning,and then destroyed.  1 Peter 1:12   Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, *but unto us* they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; **which things the angels desire to look into**. The angels are also spiritually hungry for knowledge. Although they have knowledge,and plenty of it. wakeup. Wakeup, I do not see how any of that answered my question. Kerwin. What a silly question. The angels do not need instructions. They know and can see God,and understand that he is the creator of all;therefore only He is to be worshipped. We can not see God.Have not been to heaven. This is why we need to be given intructions about God. wakeup. Wakeup, Yet you are claiming that they require to be instructed to worship the word that comes out of his mouth. Note:  inserted the word “be” that I had previously dropped. Kerwin. The angels like to know what is instructed to men. They have never seen sufferings and death. Now they know. wakeup. Wakeup, I do not see where you answered my point that the angels were instructed to worship Jesus, who you claim is the word that comes out of God's mouth and that is a being. Kerwin. Hebrews 1:6   And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,      ***And let all the angels of God worship him***. REPEAT: AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM. HIM=THE SON OF GOD. wakeup. Wakeup, The angels have worshiped God from the point they were created.  The have never been told to do so.  There is not “Let the”  as there is only “the angels worship God” So are you claiming that the angels worshiped God's word when it was God then stopped worshiping it until the time he came into the world and God said “Let the..”? As I said before kerwin: You just go for it, and pick the scriptures that suits you best. And have sweet dreams. wakeup.

Wakeup,

I hoping to see you test your doctrine by reasoning through it to make sure than line upon line and precept upon precept it is not in disagreement to the truth. I am addressing points where an apparent conflict is and God is not a god of disorder.

Why do you seem so reluctant to test your own doctrine?

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,23:03)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,01:07) k Quote As I said before kerwin: You just go for it, and pick the scriptures that suits you best. And have sweet dreams. wakeup. this is wakeup typical answer when he cannot answer your questions T. You also dont believe that the angels worship Jesus?  Revelation 5:8   And when he had taken the book,   ***the four beasts and four and twenty elders***           ***fell down before the Lamb***,  having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of  odours, which are the prayers of saints. Close your eyes for it does not look good for your believe. wakeup.

Wakeup,

Falling down before the king is not worshiping him.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,23:03)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,01:07) k Quote As I said before kerwin: You just go for it, and pick the scriptures that suits you best. And have sweet dreams. wakeup. this is wakeup typical answer when he cannot answer your questions T. You also dont believe that the angels worship Jesus?  Revelation 5:8   And when he had taken the book,   ***the four beasts and four and twenty elders***           ***fell down before the Lamb***,  having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of  odours, which are the prayers of saints. Close your eyes for it does not look good for your believe. wakeup.

W

FALLING DOWN IN FRONT OF SOMEONE DOES NOT MEAN WORSHIP HIM, HONOR IS THE RIGHT WORD ,

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,04:29)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,23:03) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,01:07) k Quote As I said before kerwin: You just go for it, and pick the scriptures that suits you best. And have sweet dreams. wakeup. this is wakeup typical answer when he cannot answer your questions T. You also dont believe that the angels worship Jesus?  Revelation 5:8   And when he had taken the book,   ***the four beasts and four and twenty elders***           ***fell down before the Lamb***,  having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of  odours, which are the prayers of saints. Close your eyes for it does not look good for your believe. wakeup. Wakeup, Falling down before the king is not worshiping him.

DONT LOOK,FOR IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD FOR YOUR SAKE.

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, **and unto the Lamb** for ever and ever.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 10 2013,04:38)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,04:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,23:03) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,01:07) k Quote As I said before kerwin: You just go for it, and pick the scriptures that suits you best. And have sweet dreams. wakeup. this is wakeup typical answer when he cannot answer your questions T. You also dont believe that the angels worship Jesus?  Revelation 5:8   And when he had taken the book,   ***the four beasts and four and twenty elders***           ***fell down before the Lamb***,  having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of  odours, which are the prayers of saints. Close your eyes for it does not look good for your believe. wakeup. Wakeup, Falling down before the king is not worshiping him. DONT LOOK,FOR IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD FOR YOUR SAKE. Revelation 5:13   And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, **and unto the Lamb** for ever and ever. wakeup.

W

CAN YOU HONESTLY SHOW ME THE MEANING OF THE WORD “WORSHIP”

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,14:22)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 10 2013,04:38) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,04:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,23:03) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,01:07) k Quote As I said before kerwin: You just go for it, and pick the scriptures that suits you best. And have sweet dreams. wakeup. this is wakeup typical answer when he cannot answer your questions T. You also dont believe that the angels worship Jesus?  Revelation 5:8   And when he had taken the book,   ***the four beasts and four and twenty elders***           ***fell down before the Lamb***,  having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of  odours, which are the prayers of saints. Close your eyes for it does not look good for your believe. wakeup. Wakeup, Falling down before the king is not worshiping him. DONT LOOK,FOR IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD FOR YOUR SAKE. Revelation 5:13   And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, **and unto the Lamb** for ever and ever. wakeup. W “WORSHIP'' CAN YOU HONESTLY SHOW ME THE MEANING OF THE WORD

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“WORSHIP'' CAN YOU HONESTLY SHOW ME THE MEANING OF THE WORD

Here is an example.

Revelation 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen,
***I fell down to worship***
before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

Revelation 22:9 Then saith he unto me,
***See thou do it not***:
for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. (fall down and worship God).

To fall down before anything is worship.
Paying homage.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Wakeup,

They are singing the glory of God and his anointed.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 10 2013,14:51)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,14:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 10 2013,04:38) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,04:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,23:03) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,01:07) k Quote As I said before kerwin: You just go for it, and pick the scriptures that suits you best. And have sweet dreams. wakeup. this is wakeup typical answer when he cannot answer your questions T. You also dont believe that the angels worship Jesus?  Revelation 5:8   And when he had taken the book,   ***the four beasts and four and twenty elders***           ***fell down before the Lamb***,  having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of  odours, which are the prayers of saints. Close your eyes for it does not look good for your believe. wakeup. Wakeup, Falling down before the king is not worshiping him. DONT LOOK,FOR IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD FOR YOUR SAKE. Revelation 5:13   And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, **and unto the Lamb** for ever and ever. wakeup. W “WORSHIP'' CAN YOU HONESTLY SHOW ME THE MEANING OF THE WORD Quote “WORSHIP'' CAN YOU HONESTLY SHOW ME THE MEANING OF THE WORD Here is an example. Revelation 22:8   And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen,             ***I fell down to worship*** before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.  Revelation 22:9   Then saith he unto me,              ***See thou do it not***: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. (fall down and worship God). To fall down before anything is worship. Paying homage. wakeup.

w

wor·ship (wûrshp)
n.
1.
a. The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
b. The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.
2. Ardent devotion; adoration.
3. often Worship Chiefly British Used as a form of address for magistrates, mayors, and certain other dignitaries: Your Worship.
v. wor·shiped or wor·shipped, wor·ship·ing or wor·ship·ping, wor·ships
v.tr.
1. To honor and love as a deity.
2. To regard with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion. See Synonyms at revere1.
v.intr.
1. To participate in religious rites of worship.
2. To perform an act of worship.

this is it

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2013,04:36)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 10 2013,14:51) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,14:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 10 2013,04:38) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,04:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,23:03) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,01:07) k Quote As I said before kerwin: You just go for it, and pick the scriptures that suits you best. And have sweet dreams. wakeup. this is wakeup typical answer when he cannot answer your questions T. You also dont believe that the angels worship Jesus?  Revelation 5:8   And when he had taken the book,   ***the four beasts and four and twenty elders***           ***fell down before the Lamb***,  having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of  odours, which are the prayers of saints. Close your eyes for it does not look good for your believe. wakeup. Wakeup, Falling down before the king is not worshiping him. DONT LOOK,FOR IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD FOR YOUR SAKE. Revelation 5:13   And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, **and unto the Lamb** for ever and ever. wakeup. W “WORSHIP'' CAN YOU HONESTLY SHOW ME THE MEANING OF THE WORD Quote “WORSHIP'' CAN YOU HONESTLY SHOW ME THE MEANING OF THE WORD Here is an example. Revelation 22:8   And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen,             ***I fell down to worship*** before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.  Revelation 22:9   Then saith he unto me,              ***See thou do it not***: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. (fall down and worship God). To fall down before anything is worship. Paying homage. wakeup. w wor·ship  (wûrshp) n. 1. a. The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object. b. The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed. 2. Ardent devotion; adoration. 3. often Worship Chiefly British Used as a form of address for magistrates, mayors, and certain other dignitaries: Your Worship. v. wor·shiped or wor·shipped, wor·ship·ing or wor·ship·ping, wor·ships v.tr. 1. To honor and love as a deity. 2. To regard with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion. See Synonyms at revere1. v.intr. 1. To participate in religious rites of worship. 2. To perform an act of worship. this is it

T.

Good; now, the greatest god in the world is money.
Do people bow down and pray to money?

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Wakeup,

Do you understand that both the Hebrew and Greek words for “worship” also mean “do obeisance” or “pay homage” or “bow down before in an act of reverence”?

The same words mean all of those things, and are translated as each of those things throughout scripture.

So in the end, it all comes down to an English translator's CHOICE to translate as “worship” here, and as “bowed down before” there.

Many Trinitarian translators jump at the chance to CHOOSE “worship” in verses that refer to Jesus.  Don't fall for their Trinitarian tricks, Wakeup.  Jesus was bowed down before in acts of reverence, like many lords, kings, and nobles were in many scriptures.  But Jesus was never once “worshiped” in any scripture.

Lesson #1: Do you accept the FACT that the Hebrew word “shachah”, and the Greek word “proskuneo”, both refer not only to “worship”, but also to non-worship acts of reverence towards people who are not God? YES or NO?

[terraricca]

W

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Do people bow down and pray to money?

not pray to money . BUT FOR MONEY

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2013,14:06)

W Quote Do people bow down and pray to money? not pray to money . BUT FOR MONEY

T.

Money is the greatest god in this world:

People sacrifice their lives for money.
true/false?
Kill millions for money.
They also *WILL* go against own fam. for money.

True/false?

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 11 2013,04:33)

Wakeup, They are singing the glory of God and his anointed.

Kerwin.

They fall down and sing before God *and the Lamb*.
The Lamb did not fall down.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2013,12:19)

Wakeup, Do you understand that both the Hebrew and Greek words for “worship” also mean “do obeisance” or “pay homage” or “bow down before in an act of reverence”? The same words mean all of those things, and are translated as each of those things throughout scripture. So in the end, it all comes down to an English translator's CHOICE to translate as “worship” here, and as “bowed down before” there. Many Trinitarian translators jump at the chance to CHOOSE “worship” in verses that refer to Jesus.  Don't fall for their Trinitarian tricks, Wakeup.  Jesus was bowed down before in acts of reverence, like many lords, kings, and nobles were in many scriptures.  But Jesus was never once “worshiped” in any scripture. Lesson #1:  Do you accept the FACT that the Hebrew word “shachah”, and the Greek word “proskuneo”, both refer not only to “worship”, but also to non-worship acts of reverence towards people who are not God?  YES or NO?

MikeB.

The man Jesus was called Lord,and honoured
as the Son of God.
Jesus passed on all glory to His Father.
Now He is IN the Father.
Now He is the Word of God,as He was before.

We *depend on Him* to have life.
We should worship Him: that is acceptable to God.
We can not go to God: by *bypassing* His Word.
This is what the muslems do. (I dont believe allah is YHWH).
This is impossible,because we have known God through His Word only. It was the Word made flesh that came, to show us the light. There is no one else we can mention.

wakeup.

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