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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 23 2013,04:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 1. The Word was a part of God that was inside God in the beginning – and therefore called “God Himself”.
YES; WE SEE ONLY GOD.THERE IS NO OTHER GOD.
Okay. So just to be sure, you're claiming that the Word OF God used to BE God Almighty Himself, right?Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 2. God brought this part of Himself out of Himself, and it became an individual being who was no longer “God Himself” – but instead “WITH God”. NO: HE BROUGHT OUT HIS LIVING WORD.
NOW WE HAVE GOD AND HIS WORD.
So the Word, once brought out of God, did NOT become an individual being who was able to follow God's orders?
Are you sure? Because the other stuff you say makes me believe this Word DID become a separate living entity.Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 3. God told this separate being what to create, and then this separate being (that used to actually BE God) went out and created all the things God told him to create.
YES, WHAT EVER GOD WANTS DONE; HIS WORD DID.
THE SEPERATE BEING HAPPENS TO BE *GOD'S WORD*.
See what I mean? So the Word who used to be God Almighty became a “separate being” who isn't God Almighty anymore – but instead someone who does what God Almighty tells him to do? Is that right?Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 4. Then this part of God was turned into a flesh human being who was killed. (Was he still a part of the being of God when he was a human? Was a part of the being of God killed by human hands?)
THE/WORD, WAS MADE FLESH;AND DID THE SAME.
WHAT GOD WANTS HE DID.HE IS STILL GOD'S WORD
DWELLING AMONGST MEN.(THIS PART OF GOD HAPPENS TO BE **GOD'S WORD**)
So even as a flesh being, the Word was still a part of the being of God, right? That is what you said, right?Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 5. Then God Himself raised this other part of God Himself up from the dead,exalted this part of Himself, and gave this part of Himself a name above all other name.
GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.
WHEN HE DIED;HIS SPIRIT WENT BACK TO GOD.
AND RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.
What do you mean by “God raised HIM from the dead”? Don't you mean that the “part of God” who remained in heaven raised the “part of God” who died at human hands? That is what you teach – so why not just say it as you mean it? Perhaps because it sounds ludicrous?Also, how can you say “his spirit went back to God”? Did the “part of God” who dwelled on earth have a DIFFERENT spirit than the “part of God” who remained in heaven? How can that be? God can separate His own spirit into two?
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 6. This part of God Himself now sits at the right hand of the real God Himself in heaven.
THIS PART OF GOD IS *GOD'S WORD*,NOT GOD.
GOD'S LIVING WORD NEXT TO GOD.
So then God consists of TWO PARTS – one of which sits at the right hand of the other?Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 7. But even though this part of God Himself sits AT THE RIGHT HAND OF God Himself, they somehow share the same throne.
GOD'S WORD SITS NEXT TO GOD IN THE SAME THRONE.
Except for when “part of God” is ruling from earth, right? At that time, the two separate parts of God rule from two separate thrones, right?Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) THERE IS ONLY ONE THRONE OF POWER IN HEAVEN. NO KINGDOMS HAVE TWO THRONES.
That is an inaccurate statement. Many kingdoms have a throne for the king, a throne for the queen, and even thrones for the princes. Also, many large kingdoms have various kings who rule from various thrones in various parts of the kingdom. There are even examples of this in the Bible.Jesus will rule from the “throne of David”, Wakeup. Do you suppose that God Himself rules from the throne of a servant of God?
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 8. And when this part of God Himself rules from earth in the future, he will have his own throne, and the rest of God will have His own throne – so part of God is sitting on one throne, and the other part of God is sitting on a different throne.
YOU ARE STILL REFUSING TO MENTION HIM AS
**THE WORD OF GOD**. INSTEAD SAY, THIS PART OF GOD.
YOU are the one who tells me he is a “part of God”, Wakeup. Don't scold me for using the term as YOU told it to me.Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) HIS KINGDOM WILL BE ON EARTH AND HIS THRONE ALSO ON EARTH. GOD'S KINGDOM IS ALWAYS IN HEAVEN.
What do you mean by “HIS KINGDOM” and “GOD'S KINGDOM”? That makes it seem like you're talking about TWO completely DIFFERENT living beings. Yet you say they are really just two parts of the same one God. Can you see how I'm confused by your teaching?Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) THERE WILL BE A TIME WHEN THE TWO KINGDOMS WILL MERGE,THEN GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.
THIS WILL HAPPEN AFTER THE EARTH IS RENEWED.
Are you saying that when this happens, the two “parts of God” will merge back together as one? And there will be no more “Son of God”?Wakeup, I have accurately portrayed what you have been teaching us. But when I put it in my words, you start off saying, “No, that isn't it” – but then go on to tell us the same exact thing in different words.
Your doctrine is made from confusion. And that confusion all started when you read, “and the Word was God” and believed it. Look how far into Bizarro World you have gone. Who in their right mind would believe any of this stuff?
Out of one side of your mouth, you say the Son of God is an individual entity – separate from God. But then out of the other side, you insist the Son of God is one of the two parts of God who rule over us, and whom we should worship. You say they have DIFFERENT thrones, as DIFFERENT rulers should have. But then you say they only have ONE throne, because they are one and the same.
It is nothing but nonsense built on a laughably flawed translation of one single scripture.
MikeB.Can a man created as a spokesman take the sins
of the world by dying?
There are many saints burned alive for the Word of God.
So what is the difference?
Can a man be worshipped by angels?All things are made by Him and *for Him*,for the pleasure of God. He was before all things.
He is the *Word of God* made flesh.I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
WHO WAS DEAD AND AM ALIVE FOREVER MORE.
Is he the spokesman?No one has seen God in heaven but He that came down from heaven.(spokesman came down from heaven?).
My flesh is meat indeed.
Are we to eat the spokesman?
Moses was a spokesman.
The prophets were spokesmen.
The apostles were spokes men.God is a spirit,and His Word *a living being* withh all the wisdom to create.
He is now with God,waiting for his next assignment.
He will set up his kingdom on earth,and be the kings of kings
with his own throne on earth.
God is still in heaven in his kingdom.No one can worship a man.
We worship God and his Word.wakeup.
That post isn't worth a response, Wakeup. Of course God has sent messengers/spokesmen from heaven.
Of course God is able to send His only begotten Son from heaven to act as the sacrificial lamb to take away our sins.
And NO, no man is ever said to have “worshipped” Jesus, nor will any angel “worship” him in the future.
You say that you worship God AND His Word. I don't. I honor the Word, but give my worship only to the God who sent that Word to us.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,09:40) That post isn't worth a response, Wakeup. Of course God has sent messengers/spokesmen from heaven. Of course God is able to send His only begotten Son from heaven to act as the sacrificial lamb to take away our sins.
And NO, no man is ever said to have “worshipped” Jesus, nor will any angel “worship” him in the future.
You say that you worship God AND His Word. I don't. I honor the Word, but give my worship only to the God who sent that Word to us.
Mike B.Quote And NO, no man is ever said to have “worshipped” Jesus, nor will any angel “worship” him in the future. You dont seem to mind contradicting scriptures.
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
***And let all the angels of God worship him***.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 26 2013,09:21) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,09:40) That post isn't worth a response, Wakeup. Of course God has sent messengers/spokesmen from heaven. Of course God is able to send His only begotten Son from heaven to act as the sacrificial lamb to take away our sins.
And NO, no man is ever said to have “worshipped” Jesus, nor will any angel “worship” him in the future.
You say that you worship God AND His Word. I don't. I honor the Word, but give my worship only to the God who sent that Word to us.
Mike B.Quote And NO, no man is ever said to have “worshipped” Jesus, nor will any angel “worship” him in the future. You dont seem to mind contradicting scriptures.
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
***And let all the angels of God worship him***.wakeup.
Wakeup,An biased translation used to support the claim Jesus is God. It is the context that determines whether the Koine Greek word means worship or homage and the Trinitarian translators chose worship.
For the poor in spirit 1 Chronicles 29:20 balances it out by giving a non religious meaning to worship as it declares he people worshiped both God and David.
1 Chronicles 29:20
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)20 And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the Lord your God. And all the congregation blessed the Lord God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the Lord, and the king.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 26 2013,15:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 26 2013,09:21) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,09:40) That post isn't worth a response, Wakeup. Of course God has sent messengers/spokesmen from heaven. Of course God is able to send His only begotten Son from heaven to act as the sacrificial lamb to take away our sins.
And NO, no man is ever said to have “worshipped” Jesus, nor will any angel “worship” him in the future.
You say that you worship God AND His Word. I don't. I honor the Word, but give my worship only to the God who sent that Word to us.
Mike B.Quote And NO, no man is ever said to have “worshipped” Jesus, nor will any angel “worship” him in the future. You dont seem to mind contradicting scriptures.
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
***And let all the angels of God worship him***.wakeup.
Wakeup,An biased translation used to support the claim Jesus is God. It is the context that determines whether the Koine Greek word means worship or homage and the Trinitarian translators chose worship.
For the poor in spirit 1 Chronicles 29:20 balances it out by giving a non religious meaning to worship as it declares he people worshiped both God and David.
1 Chronicles 29:20
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)20 And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the Lord your God. And all the congregation blessed the Lord God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the Lord, and the king.
Kerwin.Are you really saying that Heb.1:6 is not true?
Because of your deep search into books and dictionaries?
Is this how we should search the scriptures,and judge them at the same time? And pick and choose by using our own judgement?Every one by his own choosing?
This is how confusion has come in and settled it self like
the lees of the wine.Isaiah 28:7 But they also have erred **through wine**, and through strong drink are **out of the way**; the priest and the prophet have erred through **strong drink**, they are swallowed up of wine, **they are out of the way through strong drink**; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 25 2013,22:11) For the poor in spirit 1 Chronicles 29:20 balances it out by giving a non religious meaning to worship as it declares he people worshiped both God and David.
I just used that example earlier today for a post to Wakeup in a different thread.
We could also use Matthew 18:26, where a servant “worshiped” his lord – according to the KJV.Wakeup, here are the facts – believe them or not:
Both the Greek word “proskuneo” and the Hebrew word “shachah” define the act of worshipping God………. AND the act of bowing before someone to show reverence. It is translated variously as “bowed before”, “did obeisance to”, “paid homage to”, and “worshiped”.
So here's the deal: Each time those words are used in the Hebrew and Greek scriptures, the translators have the CHOICE – based on context – of translating them as “worshiped him”, or as “bowed down before him”.
In the case of people like Abraham, Moses, Samuel, Elijah, Paul, and Peter – the translators CHOOSE to translate them as “bowed down before him”. And in the case of God, they CHOOSE to translate them as “worshiped Him”.
BUT……….. in the case of Jesus, the Trinitarian translators also CHOOSE to translate it as “worship” – because they want people like you to incorrectly believe Jesus is also worshiped as if he is God. In fact, Trinitarians want people to believe Jesus IS God, right?
Here are two examples for you to consider:
Genesis 23:12 King James Version
And Abraham bowed down himself before the people of the land.1 Samuel 1:28 King James Version
And he worshipped the LORD there.See? It is the same Hebrew word both times, but it is translated as “bowed down” in Gen 23:12, and as “worshiped” in 1 Samuel 1:28. Why? Because the same word can mean EITHER thing.
Do you understand these FACTS, Wakeup? Do you understand that the only reason some translations say Jesus was “worshiped” is because they had the CHOICE of translating it as “worshiped” or “bowed down before” – and they CHOSE to translate it as “worship” – because they want people to think Jesus is God?
Also, please address Matthew 18:26 in the KJV for me. I want to know if you think that slave thought his master was God Almighty Himself, and therefore “worshiped” his master.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 26 2013,04:03) You dont seem to mind contradicting scriptures. Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
***And let all the angels of God worship him***.
Hebrews 1:6 NWT
But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.”See? The Greek word “proskuneo” can mean either thing.
Are you understanding these facts?
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 26 2013,15:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 26 2013,09:21) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,09:40) That post isn't worth a response, Wakeup. Of course God has sent messengers/spokesmen from heaven. Of course God is able to send His only begotten Son from heaven to act as the sacrificial lamb to take away our sins.
And NO, no man is ever said to have “worshipped” Jesus, nor will any angel “worship” him in the future.
You say that you worship God AND His Word. I don't. I honor the Word, but give my worship only to the God who sent that Word to us.
Mike B.Quote And NO, no man is ever said to have “worshipped” Jesus, nor will any angel “worship” him in the future. You dont seem to mind contradicting scriptures.
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
***And let all the angels of God worship him***.wakeup.
Wakeup,An biased translation used to support the claim Jesus is God. It is the context that determines whether the Koine Greek word means worship or homage and the Trinitarian translators chose worship.
For the poor in spirit 1 Chronicles 29:20 balances it out by giving a non religious meaning to worship as it declares he people worshiped both God and David.
1 Chronicles 29:20
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)20 And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the Lord your God. And all the congregation blessed the Lord God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the Lord, and the king.
Kerwin.As I have said before.
You need to understand what you are reading.1 Chronicles 29:20 And David said to all the congregation, **Now bless the LORD your God**. And all the congregation blessed the **LORD God of their fathers**, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king.
As you can see; king David and all the congregation **worshipped God**.
And the congregation bowed down to their king and God.
But David has passed on all the glory to his God.
They worshipped David as their king,and worshipped God as their God.Sample:
Acts 12:22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.
Acts 12:23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.
wakeup.
mikeboll64,Nov. wrote:[/quote]
Hi Mike,Quote Here are two examples for you to consider: Genesis 23:12 King James Version
And Abraham bowed down himself before the people of the land.1 Samuel 1:28 King James Version
And he worshipped the LORD there.See? It is the same Hebrew word both times, but it is translated as “bowed down” in Gen 23:12, and as “worshiped” in 1 Samuel 1:28. Why? Because the same word can mean EITHER thing.
Do you understand these FACTS, Wakeup? Do you understand that the only reason some translations say Jesus was “worshiped” is because they had the CHOICE of translating it as “worshiped” or “bowed down before” – and they CHOSE to translate it as “worship” – because they want people to think Jesus is God?
That's not entirely honest.
There is a thing called context where your example falls flat on it's face.
Samuel was just weaned from his mother and taken to the temple and given into Eli's care.
So that little child from that moment onwards would be fulfilling the promise by following the Lord….where from?…from that very location!!
To follow the Lord is to worship Him.Thus, from just weaned child to adult, that very place Samuels mother dropped him off to…that same place is where the growing Samuel worshipped the Lord from.
It completes the chapter in context.
To say that the young child Samuel bowed down there all the years of his childhood onwards is not how to describe the act of worshipping.
People say worship not bow down when speaking of following the Lord.NEXT
Genesis 23:12 King James Version
And Abraham bowed down himself before the people of the land.This is correct context too.
Remember, this is the late stages of Abrahams days after Sarah died.
Abraham worshipped God, i'm sure he knew not to worship man…wouldn't you agree?
Again…context.Translating between languages involves much more than just picking which word to use….wouldn't you agree?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2013,10:42) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 26 2013,04:03) You dont seem to mind contradicting scriptures. Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
***And let all the angels of God worship him***.
Hebrews 1:6 NWT
But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.”See? The Greek word “proskuneo” can mean either thing.
Are you understanding these facts?
Mike b.Stop and think for a moment.
Jesus is the hand on the job creating all things,
without him there is no life.And you just honour him,instead of worshipping him?
Without him there is no life.
Without his sacrifice we are all lost.You worship God but not His Word?
You honour Him just as you honour a man king?
You honour Him just as you honour the prophets,
and apostles?
Just as you honour your parents?wakeup.
Devo,
Your post doesn't do one thing to refute the facts of the matter that I've addressed. The FACT is that we, and the translators who came before us, all have the CHOICE of rendering “shachah” and “proskuneo” as “worshiped” – or as “bowed down to”.
Trinitarian translators CHOOSE to say Jesus was “worshiped” – when they could have said Jesus was “bowed down to”.
Jesus himself told us (in his words to Satan) that we are to “worship” the LORD, and serve Him only. Now, does that tell you we should worship the LORD AND His attributes? Shall we also worship the spoken words OF the LORD? Shall we worship His Holy Spirit as well – like the Trinitarians do? Shall we worship His power and might? Or His loving kindness?
No. Wakeup says he worships BOTH the LORD AND His possession, the Word. I worship only ONE – Yahweh Himself.
Devo,
Will you and Wakeup PLEASE address Matthew 18:26 in the KJV for me? Will you explain how this master was “worshiped” by his servant?
Was he “worshiped” as if he was God Almighty Himself? YES or NO?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 29 2013,03:43) Devo, Will you and Wakeup PLEASE address Matthew 18:26 in the KJV for me? Will you explain how this master was “worshiped” by his servant?
Was he “worshiped” as if he was God Almighty Himself? YES or NO?
Mike b.Please note matt.18:26. is a parable.
Matthew 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven *likened* unto a certain king, which would take account of his servant.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 29 2013,03:41) Devo, Your post doesn't do one thing to refute the facts of the matter that I've addressed. The FACT is that we, and the translators who came before us, all have the CHOICE of rendering “shachah” and “proskuneo” as “worshiped” – or as “bowed down to”.
Trinitarian translators CHOOSE to say Jesus was “worshiped” – when they could have said Jesus was “bowed down to”.
Jesus himself told us (in his words to Satan) that we are to “worship” the LORD, and serve Him only. Now, does that tell you we should worship the LORD AND His attributes? Shall we also worship the spoken words OF the LORD? Shall we worship His Holy Spirit as well – like the Trinitarians do? Shall we worship His power and might? Or His loving kindness?
No. Wakeup says he worships BOTH the LORD AND His possession, the Word. I worship only ONE – Yahweh Himself.
Mike b.THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN:
BOWING DOWN TO GOD OR A KING,OR ANY ONE IMPORTANT.
DANIEL BOWED DOWN TO KING NEB. BUT HE DID NOT WORSHIP KING NEB: BUT GOD.
BOWING DOWN TO A MAN KING IS SHOWING HONOUR.
NOT WORSHIP. WE DONT PRAY TO A KING.
BOWING DOWN TO GOD,ALSO DOES NOT MEAN TRUE WORSHIP; FOR MANY DO.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 28 2013,17:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 29 2013,03:43) Devo, Will you and Wakeup PLEASE address Matthew 18:26 in the KJV for me? Will you explain how this master was “worshiped” by his servant?
Was he “worshiped” as if he was God Almighty Himself? YES or NO?
Mike b.Please note matt.18:26. is a parable.
Yes, it is a parable. Please answer the question.Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 28 2013,17:52) DANIEL BOWED DOWN TO KING NEB. BUT HE DID NOT WORSHIP KING NEB: BUT GOD. BOWING DOWN TO A MAN KING IS SHOWING HONOUR.
NOT WORSHIP. WE DONT PRAY TO A KING.
EXACTLY, Wakeup!So why does the KJV say the man in Jesus' parable “WORSHIPED” his master?
Why does the KJV say the Israelites “WORSHIPPED” Jehovah “AND THE KING”?
Did they actually WORSHIP King David? If not, then did they actually WORSHIP King Jesus?
No, because as you yourself just pointed out, people BOW TO a king – and WORSHIP God, right? Now if the same exact word can be faithfully translated as either “worshiped” or as “bowed down” – what is the better translation in the case of Jesus? They BOWED BEFORE their King? Or they thought this servant of God was actually God Himself, and WORSHIPED him?
You can reach the correct answer by asking yourself whether the disciples thought Jesus was God Almighty Himself – or the Son and Servant OF God.
Which conclusion does the scriptures teach?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2013,09:08) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 28 2013,17:52) DANIEL BOWED DOWN TO KING NEB. BUT HE DID NOT WORSHIP KING NEB: BUT GOD. BOWING DOWN TO A MAN KING IS SHOWING HONOUR.
NOT WORSHIP. WE DONT PRAY TO A KING.
EXACTLY, Wakeup!So why does the KJV say the man in Jesus' parable “WORSHIPED” his master?
Why does the KJV say the Israelites “WORSHIPPED” Jehovah “AND THE KING”?
Did they actually WORSHIP King David? If not, then did they actually WORSHIP King Jesus?
No, because as you yourself just pointed out, people BOW TO a king – and WORSHIP God, right? Now if the same exact word can be faithfully translated as either “worshiped” or as “bowed down” – what is the better translation in the case of Jesus? They BOWED BEFORE their King? Or they thought this servant of God was actually God Himself, and WORSHIPED him?
You can reach the correct answer by asking yourself whether the disciples thought Jesus was God Almighty Himself – or the Son and Servant OF God.
Which conclusion does the scriptures teach?
Mike B.The apostles always knew and believed that Jesus is not God,
But the Son of God born by the will of God.
They have been given the Holy spirit to understand the mystery. In Jesus last days on earth.John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
This happened at pantecost.
*********1.The master in the parable,was picturing God.
2.King David would be wise enough not to let himself to be
worshipped; He knew the scriptures.He himself bowed
down with them and worshipped God.
3.Please show the scripture saying israel worshipped the
king.
4.If anyone is praising you for being excellent and good,
always pass on the praise to God.Never keep it to yourself.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,12:47) Wakeup, Do God's angels need to be instructed to worship God?
Kerwin.You should know that.
They are in heaven with God,seen God,and heard his voice.
But they have not seen death,felt pain, cry in tears,murder,
torture,and sufferings.
This they have learned by observing mankind.
Evil must come to the full for all to learn,and then it will be destroyed.Death must come to mankind for our learning,and then destroyed.
1 Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, *but unto us* they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; **which things the angels desire to look into**.
The angels are also spiritually hungry for knowledge.
Although they have knowledge,and plenty of it.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 29 2013,17:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 28 2013,17:52)
BOWING DOWN TO A MAN KING IS SHOWING HONOUR.
NOT WORSHIP. WE DONT PRAY TO A KING.
Mike B.The apostles always knew and believed that Jesus is not God………
Good. Now take the combination of both of the things YOU just said, and tell me if Jesus was WORSHIPED by the disciples.
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