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Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,18:37) Re' man with an attitude of being a god: Ezekiel 28:1………………
Yes. I'm familiar with that passage. This same thing could be said about Nebuchadnezzar, who actually believed he was some kind of a god – although he was just a man.But what point would you like to make with that passage?
And how does it answer the point I'm making about Psalm 82?
All men die AS men, Wakeup. The ones who think they are gods, along with men like Samuel, Moses, Abraham, and David. All men die AS men.
The difference in Psalm 82 is that JEHOVAH is the one who called them gods. And Jehovah said that although they were gods, they would end up dying LIKE MEN DIE.
It seems quite obvious that he wasn't saying those words TO men – or they would make no sense. If a man, you will die AS as man – not LIKE a man.
You wouldn't say of a man, He runs just LIKE a man, right? But you could say of a man, He runs LIKE a gazelle, right? The words LIKE a gazelle tell us that the one being compared TO a gazelle is not actually a gazelle, right?
Similarly, in Psalm 82, since the ones to whom God is speaking are compared TO men, they can't actually BE men.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2013,11:03) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 13 2013,21:25) They that think;and have the attitude of being a god,
will die like men,because they are not God.
they are men;flesh and blood.
Wakeup,Even men who DON'T think and have the attitude of being a god will die as men, right?
So what point would God have in telling MEN they would die like men? Of course they, as men, already KNEW they would someday die like all men do, right?
Instead, God was talking to the part of His heavenly counsel that went awry, passing judgment on these particular heavenly beings, and foretelling that they would someday die just like men die.
In other words, if God said they would die LIKE men, then God wasn't actually talking TO men.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 13 2013,21:25) Only the Father YHWH and the Lamb is worthy to be worshipped.
Only the Father is worthy of our worship. We are to honor and pay homage to the Son – but worship only the Lord, our God. Jesus told this same thing to Satan, remember? In fact, Jesus worships the same ONE God we are supposed to worship, Wakeup.About that question, I would like a DIRECT answer.
If there is only ONE God that is WORTHY OF OUR WORSHIP, then does it mean there is literally only one God in existence? Or that only ONE OF the gods in existence is worthy of our worship?
Which one does it mean?
Because if there is LITERALLY only one God, period – then it's senseless to say that there is only one God we should worship.
Consider this example:
We are only to worship the Taj Mahal that is in India.
Well, since that is the ONLY Taj Mahal in existence, we don't have to specify WHICH Taj Mahal we are to worship, right? So the statement above is nonsensical, and the words “that is in India” are unnecessary.
Now consider this one:
We are only to worship the tree that lies dead center of the Forrest of Lebanon.
In this case, since there are MANY trees on earth, it IS necessary to specify exactly WHICH tree we are to worship.
So, the reason we are told WHICH god we are to worship is simply because there are MANY of them, and we are to worship only ONE of the MANY.
Are you getting this? Or am I going too fast?
Mike B.Ré worship:
John 5:23 That all men should **honour the Son**,
**even as they honour the Father**.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the
which hath sent him.Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and
***in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb***
as it had been slain,**having seven horns** and **seven eyes**,
**which are the seven Spirits of God**
sent forth into all the earth.Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book,
***the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down
***before the Lamb***, *(THIS IS WORSHIP)*.
having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.Revelation 5:12 Saying with a loud voice,
***Worthy is the Lamb***
that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, *and glory*, and blessing.Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power,
***be unto him that sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb for ever and ever***.YOU WORSHIP THE SON: SAME AS YOU WORSHIP THE FATHER.
YOU WORSHIP THE FATHER: SAME AS YOU WORSHIP THE SON.
FATHER AND SON SITS ON THE SAME THRONE.O' HOW DEEP IS GOD'S MYSTERY.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,19:15) YOU WORSHIP THE SON: SAME AS YOU WORSHIP THE FATHER.
YOU WORSHIP THE FATHER: SAME AS YOU WORSHIP THE SON.
FATHER AND SON SITS ON THE SAME THRONE.
Wrong on all counts.We honor the Father. Likewise, we should also honor the Son He sent.
Worship, on the other hand, is due only to the Father – not the Son.
Jesus and the Father have two different thrones in heaven.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2013,01:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,19:15) YOU WORSHIP THE SON: SAME AS YOU WORSHIP THE FATHER.
YOU WORSHIP THE FATHER: SAME AS YOU WORSHIP THE SON.
FATHER AND SON SITS ON THE SAME THRONE.
Wrong on all counts.We honor the Father. Likewise, we should also honor the Son He sent.
Worship, on the other hand, is due only to the Father – not the Son.
Jesus and the Father have two different thrones in heaven.
same for me ,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2013,06:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,19:15) YOU WORSHIP THE SON: SAME AS YOU WORSHIP THE FATHER.
YOU WORSHIP THE FATHER: SAME AS YOU WORSHIP THE SON.
FATHER AND SON SITS ON THE SAME THRONE.
Wrong on all counts.We honor the Father. Likewise, we should also honor the Son He sent.
Worship, on the other hand, is due only to the Father – not the Son.
Jesus and the Father have two different thrones in heaven.
Mike B.Read it closely one more time:
Revelation 5:12 Saying with a loud voice,
***Worthy is the Lamb***
that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, **and glory**, and blessing.GLORY BELONGS TO GOD ONLY;AND YET,THE LAMB RECEIVED GLORY AND POWER AS WELL.
Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power,
***be unto him that sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb for ever and ever***.Blessings,honor,glory and power, to the *ONE* on the throne
and the *Lamb*. Both on the SAME throne.God and his Word on the same throne;because THE WORD is part of God. HE is the WORD of GOD.
HE does not just receive honour,but power and glory.No man nor angels are to be worshipped.
Acts 12:21 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.
Acts 12:22 And the people gave a shout, saying, **It is the voice of a god**, and not of a man.
Acts 12:23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.
Revelation 19:10 And *I fell at his feet to worship him*. And he said unto me, ***See thou do it not***: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,15:12) GLORY BELONGS TO GOD ONLY;AND YET,THE LAMB RECEIVED GLORY AND POWER AS WELL.
Wrong again. Jesus spoke about the glory of Solomon Matthew 6:29.So how can you say glory belongs only to God?
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,15:12) Blessings,honor,glory and power, to the *ONE* on the throne
and the *Lamb*. Both on the SAME throne.
Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.How many thrones?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,06:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,15:12) GLORY BELONGS TO GOD ONLY;AND YET,THE LAMB RECEIVED GLORY AND POWER AS WELL.
Wrong again. Jesus spoke about the glory of Solomon Matthew 6:29.So how can you say glory belongs only to God?
Mikesome more for wakup
RO 2:7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
RO 2:10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
HEB 2:7 “YOU HAVE MADE HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS;
YOU HAVE CROWNED HIM WITH GLORY AND HONOR,
AND HAVE APPOINTED HIM OVER THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
HEB 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
1PE 1:7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
REV 4:9 And when the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, to Him who lives forever and ever,
REV 4:11 “ Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.”Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,11:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,15:12) GLORY BELONGS TO GOD ONLY;AND YET,THE LAMB RECEIVED GLORY AND POWER AS WELL.
Wrong again. Jesus spoke about the glory of Solomon Matthew 6:29.So how can you say glory belongs only to God?
Mike B.Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power:
***for thou hast created all things***,
and for thy pleasure they are and were created.Colossians 1:16 ***For by him were all things created***, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:
***all things were created by him, and for him***:Glory and honour belongs to God and the Lamb only.
wakweup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2013,06:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,19:15) YOU WORSHIP THE SON: SAME AS YOU WORSHIP THE FATHER.
YOU WORSHIP THE FATHER: SAME AS YOU WORSHIP THE SON.
FATHER AND SON SITS ON THE SAME THRONE.
Wrong on all counts.We honor the Father. Likewise, we should also honor the Son He sent.
Worship, on the other hand, is due only to the Father – not the Son.
Jesus and the Father have two different thrones in heaven.
Mike B.1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
***And let all the angels of God worship him***.
Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are
***the seven Spirits of God***.
Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood
***a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and
seven eyes***,
*** which are the *seven Spirits of God* sent forth into all the earth***.And you say the Lamb is a god?
Where does it mention two thrones?
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,12:01) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,15:12) Blessings,honor,glory and power, to the *ONE* on the throne
and the *Lamb*. Both on the SAME throne.
Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.How many thrones?
Mike B.In heaven there is one throne.
In the kingdom on earth when He rules;then He will
have His own throne,and we can sit on it,just for the feel of it.
Not to rule or anything.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,23:47) Glory and honour belongs to God and the Lamb only.
Exodus 20:12 King James Version
Honour thy father and thy mother………Matthew 6:29 King James Version
And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.So let's see………. Solomon was a FATHER, who was HONORED, right? And Solomon also had much GLORY, right?
Yet you say ONLY God and the Lamb have HONOR and GLORY, right?
I believe the SCRIPTURES over you, Wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,00:11) Mike B. In heaven there is one throne.
In the kingdom on earth when He rules;then He will
have His own throne,and we can sit on it,just for the feel of it.
Actually, Revelation mentions at least TWENTY-SIX thrones, Wakeup – because each of the 24 elders sit on a throne. Not to mention the MANY thrones that those of the first resurrection sit on. (Rev 20:4-5)I don't know where you come up with the idea that the Lamb doesn't have his own throne in heaven, but let's just assume for a second that you're right.
When the Lamb has HIS OWN throne on earth, is God sitting on that same throne? Or does God also have HIS OWN throne at that time?
Wakeup, your doctrine has much in common with the Trinity Doctrine.
So let's get the basics of your beliefs. Here's how I understand you so far:
1. The Word was a part of God that was inside God in the beginning – and therefore called “God Himself”.
2. God brought this part of Himself out of Himself, and it became an individual being who was no longer “God Himself” – but instead “WITH God”.
3. God told this separate being what to create, and then this separate being (that used to actually BE God) went out and created all the things God told him to create.
4. Then this part of God was turned into a flesh human being who was killed. (Was he still a part of the being of God when he was a human? Was a part of the being of God killed by human hands?)
5. Then God Himself raised this other part of God Himself up from the dead, exalted this part of Himself, and gave this part of Himself a name above all other names.
6. This part of God Himself now sits at the right hand of the real God Himself in heaven.
7. But even though this part of God Himself sits AT THE RIGHT HAND OF God Himself, they somehow share the same throne.
8. And when this part of God Himself rules from earth in the future, he will have his own throne, and the rest of God will have His own throne – so part of God is sitting on one throne, and the other part of God is sitting on a different throne.
Am I close to what you're preaching? If not, please clarify EACH point that I'm wrong about SEPARATELY – so I don't get too confused.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2013,09:27) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,00:11) Mike B. In heaven there is one throne.
In the kingdom on earth when He rules;then He will
have His own throne,and we can sit on it,just for the feel of it.
Actually, Revelation mentions at least TWENTY-SIX thrones, Wakeup – because each of the 24 elders sit on a throne. Not to mention the MANY thrones that those of the first resurrection sit on. (Rev 20:4-5)I don't know where you come up with the idea that the Lamb doesn't have his own throne in heaven, but let's just assume for a second that you're right.
When the Lamb has HIS OWN throne on earth, is God sitting on that same throne? Or does God also have HIS OWN throne at that time?
MIke B.I can not follow your precept of thinking.
Are we speaking of God's throne or of every existing thrones?
Ther are many thrones on earth also.The Lamb will have his own throne,
when His kingdom is set up.
God is ruling in heaven.Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne were
*****four and twenty seats*****:
and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.Seats are not thrones as far as I know.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2013,09:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,23:47) Glory and honour belongs to God and the Lamb only.
Exodus 20:12 King James Version
Honour thy father and thy mother………Matthew 6:29 King James Version
And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.So let's see………. Solomon was a FATHER, who was HONORED, right? And Solomon also had much GLORY, right?
Yet you say ONLY God and the Lamb have HONOR and GLORY, right?
I believe the SCRIPTURES over you, Wakeup.
Mike B.Actually honour the laws of the country also.
Do you see that the same as hounouring
God and His Lamb?wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2013,09:35) Wakeup, your doctrine has much in common with the Trinity Doctrine. So let's get the basics of your beliefs. Here's how I understand you so far:
1. The Word was a part of God that was inside God in the beginning – and therefore called “God Himself”.
2. God brought this part of Himself out of Himself, and it became an individual being who was no longer “God Himself” – but instead “WITH God”.
3. God told this separate being what to create, and then this separate being (that used to actually BE God) went out and created all the things God told him to create.
4. Then this part of God was turned into a flesh human being who was killed. (Was he still a part of the being of God when he was a human? Was a part of the being of God killed by human hands?)
5. Then God Himself raised this other part of God Himself up from the dead, exalted this part of Himself, and gave this part of Himself a name above all other names.
6. This part of God Himself now sits at the right hand of the real God Himself in heaven.
7. But even though this part of God Himself sits AT THE RIGHT HAND OF God Himself, they somehow share the same throne.
8. And when this part of God Himself rules from earth in the future, he will have his own throne, and the rest of God will have His own throne – so part of God is sitting on one throne, and the other part of God is sitting on a different throne.
Am I close to what you're preaching? If not, please clarify EACH point that I'm wrong about SEPARATELY – so I don't get too confused.
Mike B.Quote 1. The Word was a part of God that was inside God in the beginning – and therefore called “God Himself”. YES; WE SEE ONLY GOD.THERE IS NO OTHER GOD.
Quote 2. God brought this part of Himself out of Himself, and it became an individual being who was no longer “God Himself” – but instead “WITH God”. NO: HE BROUGHT OUT HIS LIVING WORD.
NOW WE HAVE GOD AND HIS WORD.
THEREFORE JOHN SAID HE *WAS* GOD.
LOOKING AT (1).HE *WAS* GOD.(GOD ALONE).
GOD BY HIMSELF WITH HIS WORD STILL IN HIM.
THE WORD *WAS* GOD.Quote 3. God told this separate being what to create, and then this separate being (that used to actually BE God) went out and created all the things God told him to create. YES, WHAT EVER GOD WANTS DONE; HIS WORD DID.
THE SEPERATE BEING HAPPENS TO BE *GOD'S WORD*.Quote 4. Then this part of God was turned into a flesh human being who was killed. (Was he still a part of the being of God when he was a human? Was a part of the being of God killed by human hands?) HE/WORD, WAS MADE FLESH;AND DID THE SAME.
WHAT GOD WANTS HE DID.HE IS STILL GOD'S WORD
DWELLING AMONGST MEN.(THIS PART OF GOD HAPPENS TO BE **GOD'S WORD**Quote
5. Then God Himself raised this other part of God Himself up from the dead, exalted this part of Himself, and gave this part of Himself a name above all other names.GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.
WHEN HE DIED;HIS SPIRIT WENT BACK TO GOD.
AND RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.
John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. ***I have power to lay it down***, and ***I have power to take it again***. This commandment have I received of my Father.Quote 6. This part of God Himself now sits at the right hand of the real God Himself in heaven. THIS PART OF GOD IS *GOD'S WORD*,NOT GOD.
GOD'S LIVING WORD NEXT TO GOD.Quote 7. But even though this part of God Himself sits AT THE RIGHT HAND OF God Himself, they somehow share the same throne. GOD'S WORD SITS NEXT TO GOD IN THE SAME THRONE.
DONT SEE IT AS MEN'S THRONE.THERE IS ONLY ONE THRONE OF POWER IN HEAVEN.
NO KINGDOMS HAVE TWO THRONES.Quote 8. And when this part of God Himself rules from earth in the future, he will have his own throne, and the rest of God will have His own throne – so part of God is sitting on one throne, and the other part of God is sitting on a different throne. YOU ARE STILL REFUSING TO MENTION HIM AS
**THE WORD OF GOD**. INSTEAD SAY, THIS PART OF GOD.
HIS KINGDOM WILL BE ON EARTH AND HIS THRONE ALSO ON EARTH. GOD'S KINGDOM IS ALWAYS IN HEAVEN.
THERE WILL BE A TIME WHEN THE TWO KINGDOMS WILL MERGE,THEN GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.
THIS WILL HAPPEN AFTER THE EARTH IS RENEWED.wakeup.
Wakeup,
You said this earlier:
Quote God and his Word on the same throne; because THE WORD is part of God. And now you say this:
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,06:30) The Lamb will have his own throne,
when His kingdom is set up.
God is ruling in heaven.
Are you saying that a “part of God” will rule from earth as the Lamb, and the other “part of God” will continue to rule from heaven? Are you saying there are TWO “parts of God” who will rule over us, and who deserve our worship? And one of the “parts of God” is the “Son of God”?Are you saying that “God” is comprised of “Father” and “Son” in two separate parts?
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,06:30) Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne were
*****four and twenty seats*****Seats are not thrones as far as I know.
The Greek word is “thronos”, Wakeup. It is the word from which we derive “throne”. It is the same Greek word that is used in Revelation 22:1.Why do you suppose the KJV scholars translated the word “thronos” as “throne” in 22:1, but as “seats” in 4:4?
In fact, they translate that same Greek word as “throne” whenever God or the Lamb is the one sitting on it. Why didn't they translate it as “throne” for the elders?
I suppose it was their personal bias that got in the way – because they WANTED only God and the Lamb to be worthy of having “thrones” in heaven. At any rate, it is just one more example of a KJV flaw in translation.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,06:34) Do you see that the same as hounouring
God and His Lamb?
Nope. I see the honor we give to the Son as being greater than the honor we give to anyone else………….. EXCEPT for the Son's own Father and God, Jehovah.So we can attribute much honor and glory to King David.
And we can attribute even more honor and glory to God's only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
And we can attribute even MORE honor and glory to the God who created our Savior Jesus Christ.
But we can't say that only God and the Lamb have honor and glory – because it simply isn't true.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 1. The Word was a part of God that was inside God in the beginning – and therefore called “God Himself”.
YES; WE SEE ONLY GOD.THERE IS NO OTHER GOD.
Okay. So just to be sure, you're claiming that the Word OF God used to BE God Almighty Himself, right?Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 2. God brought this part of Himself out of Himself, and it became an individual being who was no longer “God Himself” – but instead “WITH God”. NO: HE BROUGHT OUT HIS LIVING WORD.
NOW WE HAVE GOD AND HIS WORD.
So the Word, once brought out of God, did NOT become an individual being who was able to follow God's orders?
Are you sure? Because the other stuff you say makes me believe this Word DID become a separate living entity.Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 3. God told this separate being what to create, and then this separate being (that used to actually BE God) went out and created all the things God told him to create.
YES, WHAT EVER GOD WANTS DONE; HIS WORD DID.
THE SEPERATE BEING HAPPENS TO BE *GOD'S WORD*.
See what I mean? So the Word who used to be God Almighty became a “separate being” who isn't God Almighty anymore – but instead someone who does what God Almighty tells him to do? Is that right?Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 4. Then this part of God was turned into a flesh human being who was killed. (Was he still a part of the being of God when he was a human? Was a part of the being of God killed by human hands?)
THE/WORD, WAS MADE FLESH;AND DID THE SAME.
WHAT GOD WANTS HE DID.HE IS STILL GOD'S WORD
DWELLING AMONGST MEN.(THIS PART OF GOD HAPPENS TO BE **GOD'S WORD**)
So even as a flesh being, the Word was still a part of the being of God, right? That is what you said, right?Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 5. Then God Himself raised this other part of God Himself up from the dead,exalted this part of Himself, and gave this part of Himself a name above all other name.
GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.
WHEN HE DIED;HIS SPIRIT WENT BACK TO GOD.
AND RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.
What do you mean by “God raised HIM from the dead”? Don't you mean that the “part of God” who remained in heaven raised the “part of God” who died at human hands? That is what you teach – so why not just say it as you mean it? Perhaps because it sounds ludicrous?Also, how can you say “his spirit went back to God”? Did the “part of God” who dwelled on earth have a DIFFERENT spirit than the “part of God” who remained in heaven? How can that be? God can separate His own spirit into two?
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 6. This part of God Himself now sits at the right hand of the real God Himself in heaven.
THIS PART OF GOD IS *GOD'S WORD*,NOT GOD.
GOD'S LIVING WORD NEXT TO GOD.
So then God consists of TWO PARTS – one of which sits at the right hand of the other?Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 7. But even though this part of God Himself sits AT THE RIGHT HAND OF God Himself, they somehow share the same throne.
GOD'S WORD SITS NEXT TO GOD IN THE SAME THRONE.
Except for when “part of God” is ruling from earth, right? At that time, the two separate parts of God rule from two separate thrones, right?Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) THERE IS ONLY ONE THRONE OF POWER IN HEAVEN. NO KINGDOMS HAVE TWO THRONES.
That is an inaccurate statement. Many kingdoms have a throne for the king, a throne for the queen, and even thrones for the princes. Also, many large kingdoms have various kings who rule from various thrones in various parts of the kingdom. There are even examples of this in the Bible.Jesus will rule from the “throne of David”, Wakeup. Do you suppose that God Himself rules from the throne of a servant of God?
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeb
oll @ 64)8. And when this part of God Himself rules from earth in the future, he will have his own throne, and the rest of God will have His own throne – so part of God is sitting on one throne, and the other part of God is sitting on a different throne.
YOU ARE STILL REFUSING TO MENTION HIM AS
**THE WORD OF GOD**. INSTEAD SAY, THIS PART OF GOD.
YOU are the one who tells me he is a “part of God”, Wakeup. Don't scold me for using the term as YOU told it to me.Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) HIS KINGDOM WILL BE ON EARTH AND HIS THRONE ALSO ON EARTH. GOD'S KINGDOM IS ALWAYS IN HEAVEN.
What do you mean by “HIS KINGDOM” and “GOD'S KINGDOM”? That makes it seem like you're talking about TWO completely DIFFERENT living beings. Yet you say they are really just two parts of the same one God. Can you see how I'm confused by your teaching?Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) THERE WILL BE A TIME WHEN THE TWO KINGDOMS WILL MERGE,THEN GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.
THIS WILL HAPPEN AFTER THE EARTH IS RENEWED.
Are you saying that when this happens, the two “parts of God” will merge back together as one? And there will be no more “Son of God”?Wakeup, I have accurately portrayed what you have been teaching us. But when I put it in my words, you start off saying, “No, that isn't it” – but then go on to tell us the same exact thing in different words.
Your doctrine is made from confusion. And that confusion all started when you read, “and the Word was God” and believed it. Look how far into Bizarro World you have gone. Who in their right mind would believe any of this stuff?
Out of one side of your mouth, you say the Son of God is an individual entity – separate from God. But then out of the other side, you insist the Son of God is one of the two parts of God who rule over us, and whom we should worship. You say they have DIFFERENT thrones, as DIFFERENT rulers should have. But then you say they only have ONE throne, because they are one and the same.
It is nothing but nonsense built on a laughably flawed translation of one single scripture.
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