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Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,22:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,10:28)
Wakeup, why are you being so elusive about this?Either the Word actually WAS God Almighty Himself in the beginning, or he WASN'T. Which one do you say?
Mike B.The Word is NOT God, NOT God.
He is; and always will be the Word of God.
wakeup.
Once again, you've eluded the actual question I asked, Wakeup.Okay, I agree that the Word ISN'T God today. And I agree that the Word will never BE God in the future.
But I'm asking about THE PAST, Wakeup. My question is:
WAS the Word God Almighty Himself IN THE BEGINNING ?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2013,11:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,22:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,10:28)
Wakeup, why are you being so elusive about this?Either the Word actually WAS God Almighty Himself in the beginning, or he WASN'T. Which one do you say?
Mike B.The Word is NOT God, NOT God.
He is; and always will be the Word of God.
wakeup.
Once again, you've eluded the actual question I asked, Wakeup.Okay, I agree that the Word ISN'T God today. And I agree that the Word will never BE God in the future.
But I'm asking about THE PAST, Wakeup. My question is:
WAS the Word God Almighty Himself IN THE BEGINNING ?
Mike B.Is that so hard to grasp?
As I have said:
*BEFORE* THE BEGINNING.
God was by himself,but not dumb and deaf.
He can speak but not yet;BUT LATER.This is why John said: And the Word *WAS* God.
***at this period of time***;the word *WAS* God.
There was none else but God with his mouth
and everything else complete.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2013,18:00) W 
You seeing God/Jehovah alone;
by Himself.QUESTION:
What would you call him?
Woud you call him:
1.God
2.The Word.
3. What?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,17:01) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2013,18:00) W
You seeing God/Jehovah alone;
by Himself.QUESTION:
What would you call him?
Woud you call him:
1.God
2.The Word.
3. What?wakeup.
wGe 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.
SO IT SEEMS THAT IN THE BEGINNING ,MEANS PRIOR TO GOD STARTING CREATION ;BUT SCRIPTURES SAYS HE (THE WORD =CHRIST) WAS WITH GOD ; SO ALL THOSE SCRIPTURES I QUOTED YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT
Yes ,before the beginning God was alone ;agreed
this is why in scriptures it says ;I BY MYSELF I CREATED ALL THOSE THINGS ;
GOD STARTED TO CREATED BY CREATING HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON CALLED THE WORD” AND SO CREATED ALL THINGS THROUGH HIM,
Just answer these questions.
Use your imagination.
You are seeing God alone.
What would you call him?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,04:07) Just answer these questions. Use your imagination.
You are seeing God alone.
What would you call him?wakeup.
wyour question is invalid ;IF GOD IS ALL ALONE ;WHY DO YOU LOOK TO GIVE HIM A NAME
NO ONE COULD BE THERE TO USE IT ,AND GOD DOES NOT CALL HIMSELF FOR NO PURPOSE ;THIS IS NOT THE WORKS FOR PLAYING ;SO NO ANSWER ;
BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU ANSWER MY QUESTIONS IF YOU CAN
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,09:31) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,04:07) Just answer these questions. Use your imagination.
You are seeing God alone.
What would you call him?wakeup.
wyour question is invalid ;IF GOD IS ALL ALONE ;WHY DO YOU LOOK TO GIVE HIM A NAME
NO ONE COULD BE THERE TO USE IT ,AND GOD DOES NOT CALL HIMSELF FOR NO PURPOSE ;THIS IS NOT THE WORKS FOR PLAYING ;SO NO ANSWER ;
BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU ANSWER MY QUESTIONS IF YOU CAN
You will not answer.
I will answer for you.
You will call Him GOD.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,07:34) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,09:31) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,04:07) Just answer these questions. Use your imagination.
You are seeing God alone.
What would you call him?wakeup.
wyour question is invalid ;IF GOD IS ALL ALONE ;WHY DO YOU LOOK TO GIVE HIM A NAME
NO ONE COULD BE THERE TO USE IT ,AND GOD DOES NOT CALL HIMSELF FOR NO PURPOSE ;THIS IS NOT THE WORKS FOR PLAYING ;SO NO ANSWER ;
BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU ANSWER MY QUESTIONS IF YOU CAN
You will not answer.
I will answer for you.
You will call Him GOD.wakeup.
wyou do not get it YOU WILL CALL HIM NOTHING BECAUSE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE IS NOT THERE TO SAY WHAT EVER ;IT SEEMS YOU ARE DREAMING AGAIN
DOES NOT HAPPEN ,NEVER WILL ,THERE IS NO ANSWER TO THE NON EXISTENT.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,08:03) T. That was a hypothetical question.
Do you understand?wakeup.
WMAY BE THIS IS THE PROBLEM ;SEE I DO NOT DEAL WITH HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION WHEN THEY ARE TOTALLY OUT OF COMMON SENSE,AND NEVER WILL APPLY TO ANYTHING
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,14:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,08:03) T. That was a hypothetical question.
Do you understand?wakeup.
WMAY BE THIS IS THE PROBLEM ;SEE I DO NOT DEAL WITH HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION WHEN THEY ARE TOTALLY OUT OF COMMON SENSE,AND NEVER WILL APPLY TO ANYTHING
T.That is because you are of hard hearing.
You can not understand.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,09:41) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,14:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,08:03) T. That was a hypothetical question.
Do you understand?wakeup.
WMAY BE THIS IS THE PROBLEM ;SEE I DO NOT DEAL WITH HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION WHEN THEY ARE TOTALLY OUT OF COMMON SENSE,AND NEVER WILL APPLY TO ANYTHING
T.That is because you are of hard hearing.
You can not understand.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,00:56) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2013,11:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,22:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,10:28)
Wakeup, why are you being so elusive about this?Either the Word actually WAS God Almighty Himself in the beginning, or he WASN'T. Which one do you say?
Mike B.The Word is NOT God, NOT God.
He is; and always will be the Word of God.
wakeup.
Once again, you've eluded the actual question I asked, Wakeup.Okay, I agree that the Word ISN'T God today. And I agree that the Word will never BE God in the future.
But I'm asking about THE PAST, Wakeup. My question is:
WAS the Word God Almighty Himself IN THE BEGINNING ?
Mike B.Is that so hard to grasp?
As I have said:
*BEFORE* THE BEGINNING.
God was by himself,but not dumb and deaf.
He can speak but not yet;BUT LATER.This is why John said: And the Word *WAS* God.
***at this period of time***;the word *WAS* God.
There was none else but God with his mouth
and everything else complete.wakeup.
Why can't you just say YES? (In fact, why couldn't you do that a month or two ago? )Okay Wakeup, what you are saying is that “God” stopped being “God”, and became a different being who was then BESIDE “God”.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 02 2013,16:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,00:56) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2013,11:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,22:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,10:28)
Wakeup, why are you being so elusive about this?Either the Word actually WAS God Almighty Himself in the beginning, or he WASN'T. Which one do you say?
Mike B.The Word is NOT God, NOT God.
He is; and always will be the Word of God.
wakeup.
Once again, you've eluded the actual question I asked, Wakeup.Okay, I agree that the Word ISN'T God today. And I agree that the Word will never BE God in the future.
But I'm asking about THE PAST, Wakeup. My question is:
WAS the Word God Almighty Himself IN THE BEGINNING ?
Mike B.Is that so hard to grasp?
As I have said:
*BEFORE* THE BEGINNING.
God was by himself,but not dumb and deaf.
He can speak but not yet;BUT LATER.This is why John said: And the Word *WAS* God.
***at this period of time***;the word *WAS* God.
There was none else but God with his mouth
and everything else complete.wakeup.
Why can't you just say YES? (In fact, why couldn't you do that a month or two ago? )Okay Wakeup, what you are saying is that “God” stopped being “God”, and became a different being who was then BESIDE “God”.
Mike B.Believe me,I am trying very hard to explain to you
this great mystery, so you also can see.If you see God alone by himself in the universe; before all creation.
What would you call him?
You would call him God? Y/N.
**God in his completeness**. No Word, no Wisdom, no Love etc. Because he has not reavealed it yet.
You can see, just God.(one being).This is how John explained.
and the Word *WAS* God. **Not the Word *IS* God,
or the word *WAS* God**.
Because He only saw God,and nothing else.Then: he saw the Word next to God.
And he explained: And the Word **WAS WITH** God.
****God consist of all things,Word, wisdom,Holy spirit etc.
The whole packadge is God.(one God)(one being).Then: He brought forth one of his items: **His Word**.
Now: the Word was *WITH* God.
The Word alone is *NOT* God; But *ONE* of his items.***The whole packadge is God***.
Its not the matter of God becoming
not God but something else.wakeup.
Mike
Wakeup explanation is huge and full of history and description ,but no scriptures ,so we have to believe him as he spells it out ,
I can not do that ,I need scriptures ,
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,16:57) Mike Wakeup explanation is huge and full of history and description ,but no scriptures ,so we have to believe him as he spells it out ,
I can not do that ,I need scriptures ,
T.You dont HAVE TO believe me; but yous hould
investigate.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,15:58) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,16:57) Mike Wakeup explanation is huge and full of history and description ,but no scriptures ,so we have to believe him as he spells it out ,
I can not do that ,I need scriptures ,
T.You dont HAVE TO believe me; but yous hould
investigate.wakeup.
wdo I have to investigate all the things I know for sure ,that they are wrong ,??? this does not make sense ,your intend when you quote is what
just to spread stories old women stories ,if this is the case I should stop reading your quotes ,because it is a waist of my time ,
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,04:11) This is how John explained.
and the Word *WAS* God. **Not the Word *IS* God……..
That says it all, Wakeup. In your understanding, something that WAS God became a different living being who was no longer God.I will never accept that…… and the ONLY reason you do is because you will be forever chained to that comically flawed translation of John 1:1c – “and the Word was God”.
You told Pierre to investigate. I will offer you the same advice.
Fact #1: Jesus is called “god” in other scriptures.
Fact #2: Jesus is called “The Word” in other scriptures.
Fact #3: Jesus was with God in the beginning, because he had glory alongside his God before the world even began.
Fact#4: All things, in heaven and on earth, were created by God and through Jesus.
Fact#5: Jesus is the true light that came into the world.
Fact#6: Jesus was existing in the form of God before emptying himself and being made in the likeness of a human being (ie: before he “became flesh”).
Fact#7: Jesus gives all who believe in his name the right to become children of God.
Fact#8: John the Baptist was sent to prepare the way for, and to testify about, Jesus.
Fact #9: Jesus is the ONLY being who EVER dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son.
Fact #10: Grace and truth came to us through none other than Jesus.
Wakeup, I don't think you would argue against any one of those 10 facts – because you know as well as I do that they are all 100% scriptural. But here's the thing: Every one of those 10 facts were told to us by John – not about “Jesus” – but about “The Word”.
And what that means is “Jesus” IS “The Word”.
Now, instead of understanding that the current “Jesus” USED TO BE God Himself and then became a different being who is now the Son and Servant OF God – why not come over to common sense and understand that John was telling us that Jesus/The Word was a god who was WITH the Most High God in the beginning?
Notice that only one of the “theos” in John 1 is called “THE theos” by John, while the other one is not. So John, knowing full well the intricacies of the Greek language, did NOT intend for anyone to believe that “THE theos” could have been with “THE theos”. Instead, he taught us about a different god who was with “THE God” in the beginning. He taught us about the “only begotten god” (John 1:18) who was with the Most High God, but then emptied himself and was made flesh.
I pray that you come to understand this very simple thing. I pray that you don't let the flawed translation of Trinitarians (who only translated it that way because they want nothing more than for you to believe Jesus IS the Most High God), come between you and a very easy teaching John gave us.
Jesus is The Word. He has been The Word since his and our God created him as the first of His works.
Mike B.
I can feel your frustrations.
Only the Holy spirit can make you see deeper.
But i'll do my best,thats all I can do.(QQUOTE):
That says it all, Wakeup. In your understanding, something that WAS God became a different living being who was no longer God.
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JOHN WAS SPEAKING OF THE PAST NOW:
THE WORD *WAS* GOD.
THE WORD WAS IN GOD'S GENES.
PART OF HIS FLESH; HIS BODY.(SPIRIT OF COURSE).
NOT ONLY HIS WORD,BUT ALSO HIS WISDOM AND THE REST.
—————————————————————–NOW JOHN SPEAKS OF THE PRESENT NOW:
AND THE WORD WAS *WITH* GOD.
HE WAS BROUGHT FORTH AND SITS NEXT TO GOD.
—————————————————————–I will never accept that…… and the ONLY reason you do is because you will be forever chained to that comically flawed translation of John 1:1c – “and the Word was God”.
You told Pierre to investigate. I will offer you the same advice.
—————————————————————–
I HAVE DONE THAT: AND THAT IS HOW I CAN EXPLAIN.
NOT MANY CAN DO IT THIS WAY.
—————————————————————–
Fact #1: Jesus is called “god” in other scriptures.—————————————————————–
NEVER; ONLY THE TRINIES HAVE.
—————————————————————–Fact #2: Jesus is called “The Word” in other scriptures.
AGREE:
Fact #3: Jesus was with God in the beginning, because he had glory alongside his God before the world even began.
AGREE:
Fact#4: All things, in heaven and on earth, were created by God and through Jesus.
AGREE:
Fact#5: Jesus is the true light that came into the world.
AGREE:
Fact#6: Jesus was existing in the form of God before emptying himself and being made in the likeness of a human being (ie: before he “became flesh”).
AGREE: THE IMAGE OF GOD.
Fact#7: Jesus gives all who believe in his name the right to become children of God.
AGREE:
Fact#8: John the Baptist was sent to prepare the way for, and to testify about, Jesus.
AGREE:
Fact #9: Jesus is the ONLY being who EVER dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son.
AGREE:BUT ON EARTH HE WAS A CREATURE,NOT A BEING.
Fact #10: Grace and truth came to us through none other than Jesus.
AGREE:
Wakeup, I don't think you would argue against any one of those 10 facts – because you know as well as I do that they are all 100% scriptural. But here's the thing: Every one of those 10 facts were told to us by John – not about “Jesus” – but about “The Word”.
—————————————————————–
ABOUT THE WORD,AND THE LAMB OF GOD.
—————————————————————–And what that means is “Jesus” IS “The Word”.
AGREE:
Now, instead of understanding that the current “Jesus” USED TO BE God Himself and then became a different being who is now the Son and Servant OF God – why not come over to common sense and understand that John was telling us that Jesus/The Word was a god who was WITH the Most High God in the beginning?
—————————————————————–
WE CAN NOT FIT IN ANOTHER GOD,FOR THIS WOULD CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE.
I AM GOD; AND THERE IS NONE BESIDE ME.
—————————————————————–Notice that only one of the “theos” in John 1 is called “THE theos” by John, while the other one is not. So John, knowing full well the intricacies of the Greek language, did NOT intend for anyone to believe that “THE theos” could have been with “THE theos”. Instead, he taught us about a different god who was with “THE God” in the beginning. He taught us about the “only begotten god” (John 1:18) who was with the Most High God, but then emptied himself and was made flesh.
—————————————————————–
I DISAGREE;I DOUBT THAT JOHN KNEW GREEK.
GREEKS ARE STILL CONFUSED TODAY FOR THEY WORSHIP
THE TRINITY,AND MARY.
—————————————————————–I pray that you come to understand this very simple thing. I pray that you don't let the flawed translation of Trinitarians (who only translated it that way because they want nothing more than for you to believe Jesus IS the Most High God), come between you and a very easy teaching John gave us.
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I DISAGREE: THE KJV DOES NOT TEACH THE TRINETY,
BUT THE CHURCHES DO.
—————————————————————–Jesus is The Word. He has been The Word since his and our God created him as the first of His works.
—————————————————————–
I DISAGREE: THE WORD WAS NOT CREATED,BUT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF GOD'S EXISTENCE.(GENES)(FLESH)
(NOT LITTERAL FLESH)JUST AN EXAMPLE.
ALL GOD DID WAS BROUGHT HIM OUT NEXT TO HIM.
HE GATHERED UP HIS GENES AND BROUGHT HIM OUT
OF HIMSELF.OR LETS SAY,HE BROUGHT FORTH HIS MOUTH.
(WORD).THAT WAS HIS.
—————————————————————–wakeup.
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