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Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 23 2013,04:48) The fact is that John did not say that God is with himself.
This is your interpretation of John's'statement.
Wakeup,If the Word actually WAS God Almighty Himself, as YOU claim, then there is no choice but for John to have said God Almighty Himself was WITH God Almighty Himself.
Get it? YOU say: The Word = God Almighty
And JOHN says: The Word was WITH God Almighty.
The only possible sum of those two things is: God Almighty was WITH God Almighty.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 24 2013,11:59) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 23 2013,04:48) The fact is that John did not say that God is with himself.
This is your interpretation of John's'statement.
Wakeup,If the Word actually WAS God Almighty Himself, as YOU claim, then there is no choice but for John to have said God Almighty Himself was WITH God Almighty Himself.
Get it? YOU say: The Word = God Almighty
And JOHN says: The Word was WITH God Almighty.
The only possible sum of those two things is: God Almighty was WITH God Almighty.
Mike B.The Word is not God,but inside God,in his bosom.
Before creation had commenced.
There was just empty space.AND THEN THIS HAPPENED: (brought forth).
Proverbs 8:24 **When there were no depths**,
** I was brought forth**;
when there were no fountains abounding with water.Proverbs 8:25 **Before the mountains were settled** **before the hills was *I* brought forth**:
Proverbs 8:35 **For whoso findeth *ME* findeth life**,
and shall obtain favour of the LORD.Creation started to commence; when the Word was brought forth. (HERE JOHN SAID:AND THE WORD WAS **WITH** GOD).
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 24 2013,08:30) The Word is not God,but inside God,in his bosom.
Okay Wakeup,But can't you see the difference between BEING God and being INSIDE God?
If the Word was something (anything at all) that was INSIDE God, then the Word couldn't have actually BEEN God.
Can you understand this?
The coffee I drank can be INSIDE me. But since it is something that is INSIDE me, it can't actually BE me.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 25 2013,11:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 24 2013,08:30) The Word is not God,but inside God,in his bosom.
Okay Wakeup,But can't you see the difference between BEING God and being INSIDE God?
If the Word was something (anything at all) that was INSIDE God, then the Word couldn't have actually BEEN God.
Can you understand this?
The coffee I drank can be INSIDE me. But since it is something that is INSIDE me, it can't actually BE me.
Mike B.Do you notice John said:
And the Word **WAS** God? (not *IS* God).
He used the word **WAS** **because** there was nothing else,but God. Just God and nothing; just empty space.
Only God was in His light (spiritual light); space was in darkness. No galaxies no minerals nor gasses.And there God was: *alone*; and all that He possesses was inside him;a complete parcel.All his tools *IN* him; not with him.(therefore John said; the *W* was God*).
Because there is none else then: but God.
*****************THE BEGINNING OF CREATION****:
God opened up his parcel:
And brought forth his first tool;**HIS WORD*(a living word);
(NOW: the Word was *WITH* God). His Word/Tool, next to him; and commanded Him whatever he wants done.Is God's tool also God? No: God's tool is always God's tool.
The one on the job. The one that does all the creating.
And God is supervising.You will say: but now we have two?
Yes; true; but dont forget the second was in the parcel; which is the first.He is God's tool. If God packs up his tool and put him back inside Him; We have only God,and none else.Notice: All that God possesses are alive.
He is not God of the dead.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 24 2013,23:45) Mike B. Do you notice John said:
And the Word **WAS** God? (not *IS* God).
He used the word **WAS** **because** there was nothing else,but God. Just God and nothing; just empty space.
But YOU don't say the Word ***WAS*** God, do you? Instead, YOU say the Word ***WAS INSIDE OF*** God, right?Besides, that brings us right back to the same old question that you can never DIRECTLY answer:
Are you saying that John taught us that “the Father God Almighty” became a different living being who was no longer “the Father God Almighty”? YES or NO?
Because if the Word ***WAS, WAS, WAS*** God, and the Word is ***NO LONGER, NO LONGER, NO LONGER*** God, then something that ***USED TO BE*** God Almighty Himself ***STOPPED*** being God Almighty Himself.
And I want to ***KNOW, KNOW, KNOW***, once and for all, if that ***IS, IS, IS*** what you believe or not.
Wakeup, was the Word actually God Almighty Himself or not?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2013,11:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 24 2013,23:45) Mike B. Do you notice John said:
And the Word **WAS** God? (not *IS* God).
He used the word **WAS** **because** there was nothing else,but God. Just God and nothing; just empty space.
But YOU don't say the Word ***WAS*** God, do you? Instead, YOU say the Word ***WAS INSIDE OF*** God, right?Besides, that brings us right back to the same old question that you can never DIRECTLY answer:
Are you saying that John taught us that “the Father God Almighty” became a different living being who was no longer “the Father God Almighty”? YES or NO?
Because if the Word ***WAS, WAS, WAS*** God, and the Word is ***NO LONGER, NO LONGER, NO LONGER*** God, then something that ***USED TO BE*** God Almighty Himself ***STOPPED*** being God Almighty Himself.
And I want to ***KNOW, KNOW, KNOW***, once and for all, if that ***IS, IS, IS*** what you believe or not.
Wakeup, was the Word actually God Almighty Himself or not?
Mike B.The Word was God's tool,that he has inside him.
This one thing needs to be **clarified*.
We are speaking of Gods Word,not a piece of hardware(tool).Before all things was;God was;with his spirit Word
in him. There is only ONE being;none else.
God and all his qualities in Him. Such as.
Word, (IN HIS WORD CONTAINS).
Love ,Wisdom,Justice,Righteousness,Truth/Holy spirit,
Mercy,Patience,Peace.We see many qualities; but one being;not many beings.
Now He brought forth one of his quality out of him.(HIS WORD).
DO WE HAVE TWO GODS NOW,OR STILL ONE?HE SEND'S HIS WORD TO EARTH.
IS GOD TWO NOW,OR STILL ONE?
His Word is not God himself but one of his qualities.
(BUT LIVING).wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 30 2013,10:18) So your answer to my simple and direct question at the end of my last post is: “NO” ?
Mike b.NO.
wakeup.
“NO” IS the answer to my question? Or “No Mike, that ISN'T my answer to your question”?
Wakeup, why are you being so elusive about this?
Either the Word actually WAS God Almighty Himself in the beginning, or he WASN'T. Which one do you say?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,05:28) “NO” IS the answer to my question? Or “No Mike, that ISN'T my answer to your question”? Wakeup, why are you being so elusive about this?
Either the Word actually WAS God Almighty Himself in the beginning, or he WASN'T. Which one do you say?
Mikeit seems wakeup,does not know where he is going but he could feel were he does not want to go .
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,06:50) Sometimes it's like pulling teeth to get a STRAIGHT answer. 
I can feel you sweat
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,10:28) “NO” IS the answer to my question? Or “No Mike, that ISN'T my answer to your question”? Wakeup, why are you being so elusive about this?
Either the Word actually WAS God Almighty Himself in the beginning, or he WASN'T. Which one do you say?
Mike B.The Word is NOT God, NOT God.
He is; and always will be the Word of God.He will come back not as God but as the Word of God.wakeup.
MikeB.
1.Before all was;God was.
Just God. Can you picture this?2.Do you see anyone else? NO.
3.But INSIDE HIM,contains all his qualities. AGREE?
4.INSIDE HIM also is his own Word(not a being);but his ability to speak. Can you follow me?
5.Now He brought out His Word from inside him,
and gave him a shape like himself. You follow me so far?6.Now his Word has a shape,and is *WITH* God;a being with God. Follow me?
7.Now God thinks what to say,and His word/being; speaks out. You still follow me?
8.This is how God created all things through his Word/being.
Still follow me?Regarding the Word **WAS** God:(John was speaking of the past)
When God was alone; this is when the Word(not a being yet) *WAS* God: for there was no one else. All his qualities was in God; and God alone.
The Word *IN* God *not as a being yet*,but just his Word.
His speach was in him/part of Him.I am alone at the moment with my word inside me.
My Word *IS* me; because I have not brought forth my word,and never will,and never can.
Threfore my word **IS** NOT *WAS* me.wakeup.
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Quote 4.INSIDE HIM also is his own Word(not a being);but his ability to speak. Can you follow me? see this is your mind that says this NO SCRIPTURES EVER SAYS THIS ;
WORDS NOT SPOKEN DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING ,AND WORDS WITHOUT POWER TO FULFILL THEM ALSO ARE MEANINGLESS ,AND WORDS ARE NOT STACKED IN SOMEONE BODY AS YOU TRY TO EXPLAIN IT ;WORDS ARE EITHER SPOKEN OR DO NOT EXIST ;IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND
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Quote 7.Now God thinks what to say,and His word/being; speaks out. You still follow me? AGAIN THIS IS YOUR MIND EXPANDING;NOT FROM SCRIPTURES ;WHO KNOWS HOW OR WHAT GOD THINKS
NO ONE ,NOT EVEN YOU WAKEUP.
WHEN GOD SPEAKS THEN IT IS HIS WORDS AND NO ONE ELSES ;THE WORD OF GOD HIS A BEING ;AND IT IS THIS THAT YOU ARE FIGHTING IN SCRIPTURES ,AND LOOK CLEARLY THE EXTANT OF YOUR ELABORATION SPEECH TO BRING DOWN THAT SIMPLE TRUTH ,WHAT IS SPELLED OUT IN ;COLOSSIAN 1-15-21 BY PAUL ALSO BY PROVERB 8;22-31 AND ALSO IN JOHN 1 THROUGH 3 AND OTHERS AND NO NEED TO CHANGE SCRIPTURES OR TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL SPEECH ;SO ALL YOUR SPEECH BECOMES MAN MADE RHETORIC AND OPINIONSW
Quote 8.This is how God created all things through his Word/being.
Still follow me?Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.HE = CHRIST HIS THE IMAGE OF HIS FATHER AND IT IS THROUGH HIM THAT ALL THINGS WERE CREATED ;YOUR COMMENT IS DIRECTLY OPPOSED TO GOD'S OWN SCRIPTURES WHY DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THIS
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.SO MANY SCRIPTURES STAND THAT SAYS THE OPPOSITE OF YOUR DOCTRINE AND OPINION ,THAT YOUR ARE STRAIT AND IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH GOD'S WORD,HOW CAN ME OR MIKE AS TRUE BELIEVERS IN THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD ACCEPT YOUR MAN MADE CONCEPT
WE CAN'TW
Quote I am alone at the moment with my word inside me.
My Word *IS* me; because I have not brought forth my word,and never will,and never can.
Threfore my word **IS** NOT *WAS* me.YOU ARE NOT ALONE “WITH YOUR WORDS INSIDE YOU ” UNDERSTAND THIS “YOUR UNSPOKEN WORDS DO NOT EXIST UNTIL THEY CROSS THE THRESHOLD OF YOUR LIPS AND MAKE THEIR SOUND HEARD ;BECAUSE YOUR WORDS ARE ONLY WORDS THAT IS IF YOUR ARE THINKING OF A PREPARED SPEECH ,WHEN YOU SLEEP ARE YOU THINKING OF WORDS OR ARE WITH FRIENDS ARE THOSE WORDS NOT COMING OUT SPONTANEOUSLY,? WITH YOUR JOY,OR SADNESS ,WORDS CANNOT BE AT ANY TIME BE SOMETHING TO ANY ONE UNTIL THEY ARE SPOKEN ,SO NO YOU HAVE NO WORDS IN YOU ,LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE A HEART OR FOOD AFTER YOU EAT OR DRINK,YOU MAY HAVE THE LOVE FOR A WOMEN AND FOR CHILDREN ,ATE FOR SOMEONE ,AND SIMILAR THINGS BUT NEVER WORDS.YOU CAN STAND BEHIND YOUR GIVEN WORD,OR DENY THEM ,THIS IS TRUE,BUT THOSE ARE SPOKEN WORDS ,AND THOSE WORDS WERE NEVER SPOKEN IF THE NEED DID NOT COME TO BE ;SO YOUR VIEW IS TOTALLY FALSE TO THE SCRIPTURES
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Quote Regarding the Word **WAS** God:(John was speaking of the past)
When God was alone; this is when the Word(not a being yet) *WAS* God: for there was no one else. All his qualities was in God; and God alone.
The Word *IN* God *not as a being yet*,but just his Word.
His speach was in him/part of Him.AGAIN LOOK AT THE EXTENT OF YOUR EXPLANATION YOU GO TO BRING THE SCRIPTURES IN LINE WITH YOUR OWN VIEWS AND DOCTRINES ;BUT YOU HAVE TO IGNORE ALL OTHER SCRIPTURES ;AND SOON YOU WILL INTERPRET THOSE AS WELL ,AND THEN SOME OTHERS ,SOON YOU WOULD HAVE CREATED A NEW BIBLE ;ALL THIS TO GO AGAINST WHAT MIKE TRY TO SAY THAT IN JOHN 1-1 IT SHOULD BE “AND THE WORD WAS (A)GOD ” AND HE SHOWED IT TO YOU BY HIS GRAMMAR AND LOGIC AND ALSO FROM THE SCRIPTURES NOT BASED ON HIS PERSONAL VIEWS ;BUT THAT YOU HAVE REJECTED WHY
IT ONLY ONE LITTLE “A” NOT AN SPEECH W
Quote 1.Before all was;God was.
Just God. Can you picture this?YES ,THIS IS TRUE ;THEN CREATION STARTS AND FIRST CREATION ;Jn 1:3 Through him (CHRIST)all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisiblePr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.CHRIST =THE WORD = THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON = SON OF MAN = HIS THE FIRST OF GOD'S CREATION
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