2Cor 5.19

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Another verse that denies the hopes of trinitarians.

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This verse clearly shows that the man Jesus Christ was a vessel for God, and not God Himself.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
If Christ had a God he worshiped and prayed to and
God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself
why do men say Christ Jesus is our God?

Was God in God?

[Oxy]

Scripture points out that before Jesus was born, He was the Word of God, He was with God and was God.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.

Then Scripture tells us that He was made a little lower than the angels.
Heb 2:7 You have made him a little lower than the angels. You crowned him with glory and honor and set him over the works of Your hands.

It is interesting to note that Jesus prayed this prayer.
Joh 17:5 And now Father, glorify Me with Yourself with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

We can't know exactly what this means, but a thought that I had was that in the beginning He was God and was with God. Is that what He was asking for?

After all is said and done, I worship Jesus as Saviour, King of kings and Lord of lords, my redeemer, Word of God etc.
I worship my Father as my Father.

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
Quite so.
He was with God as a divine being the Monogenes son.
He did not want to become his Father God.
All natural men are lower than the angels.
He was one of us.

[Oxy]

What does monogenes mean Nick? I was unable to find that word in the dictionary or in Scripture. You're not adding words to the Bible are you? This is what you accuse trinitarians of.

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
I will bring up the thread
and you can eat your words.

[Oxy]

Eat my words Nick? That doesn't sound very friendly

[Oxy]

Ahhh.. a GREEK word! no wonder I didn't find it lol. I concede on this one

[NickHassan]

munch…munch

[NickHassan]

Seriously Oxy it is a word that reall seems to defy a simple translation.
Unique seems a little narrow. What does ONLY BEGOTTEN mean?

[Oxy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,18:24)

Seriously Oxy it is a word that reall seems to defy a simple translation. Unique seems a little narrow. What does ONLY BEGOTTEN mean?

Only begotten means that Jesus was the only Son of God who was born to Him in the natural.

All of the other sons and daughters of God are people who have been born of the Spirit, or born again.

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
Sorry but no evidence given from scripture.
A good guess but not close.
IMO

[Son of Light]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,20:41)

Hi Oxy, Sorry but no evidence given from scripture. A good guess but not close. IMO

Monogenes

The unique only son begotten DIRECTLY from the Father.

All other members of the pleroma of God have come in succession from the Firstborn.

[NickHassan]

Hi SOL,
Agree in part.
The sons of God including angelic sons and
the reborn human sons derive their existence from God through the firstborn monogenes Son.

[GeneBalthrop]

oxy……> I liked your other vitar picture better.:)

[NickHassan]

Hi,
God was in Christ,
Christ was in Paul
The unity of the Spirit of God.

[Sevena]

? The NWT Says
John 1:1 In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word was a God
2. This one was in the beginning with God.

Sevena

[david]

For NWT John 1:1, see:

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/newworldtranslation/john1files.htm

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Jesus was not our God but our God was in him.

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