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Quote (jammin @ Feb. 01 2013,19:02) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2013,13:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2013,10:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 29 2013,13:42) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2013,15:59)
Hi Mike,The Word is made flesh every time one is “born Again”(of the HolySpirit).
ED J……….I also agree with that statement brother.
Great! Now just show me the scripture that says so.
“For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.” (Matt 10:20)
LOLthis guy is so funny.
LOLhe always connects other verses to john 1.1 as long as he sees a word “word” or speak. LOL
study the context boy. study hard! LOL
Hi Jammin,“And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received
the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit:” (1 Thess 1:6)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2013,19:27) Quote (jammin @ Feb. 01 2013,19:02) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2013,13:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2013,10:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 29 2013,13:42) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2013,15:59)
Hi Mike,The Word is made flesh every time one is “born Again”(of the HolySpirit).
ED J……….I also agree with that statement brother.
Great! Now just show me the scripture that says so.
“For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.” (Matt 10:20)
LOLthis guy is so funny.
LOLhe always connects other verses to john 1.1 as long as he sees a word “word” or speak. LOL
study the context boy. study hard! LOL
Hi Jammin,“And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received
the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit:” (1 Thess 1:6)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Your words: the word is made flesh everytime one is born again.unquote:
SO THIS MEANS THAT JESUS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS MADE FLESH,BUT MULTITUDES AND MULTITUDES. ARE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT THIS?
JESUS STARTED OFF WITH BEING SPIRIT,AND THEN MADE FLESH. WE ARE FLESH AND THEN MADE SPIRIT ONCE; AT THE RESURRECTION. *WE* NOT THE WORD.
I DONT SEE MULTITUDES OF HUMANS IN SPIRIT BODIES WALKING THE EARTH.
IF ONE IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT, HE IS SPIRIT; NOT FLESH. ONLY AFTER THE REWARD WE WILL BE SPIRIT,AND THAT IS AT THE COMING.
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT JESUS WAS BORN AGAIN WHEN HE RECIEVED THE SPIRIT,AND THEN HE WAS BORN ONE MORE TIME WHEN HE WAS RESURRECTED?
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT:
1.HE WAS BORN FLESH.
2.BORN AGAIN WHEN HE RECEIVED THE SPIRIT.
3. BORN ONE MORE TIME WHEN RESURRECTED.BORN AGAIN SUPPOSE TO MEAN BORN TWICE.
UNLESS YOU SKIPPING THE RESURRECTION AS THE CHANGE INTO SPIRIT.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2013,10:54) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,06:45) Spin
EDJSpin as of what?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Your spinning the facts in an attempt to make them say what they clearly do not say.
Spin: spin is a form of propaganda, achieved through providing an interpretation
of an event or campaign to persuade public opinion in favor or againstGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,00:16) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 29 2013,13:12) Agreed. The mystery of godliness could be Christ. Why couldn't it be Mike? I was unable to follow your point. 
T8,I am the one that stated it may instead be the gospel. My point being that the order of events is wrong for it being Jesus Christ.
I also have trouble with the statement “seen of angels” which I believe would be better rendered “seen of messengers”.
KBut this would not be the total truth does it
Because then no one would be able to understand if the messenger comes directly from God ,or from men,
Is it for that reason that you give your preference
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,13:07) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,00:16) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 29 2013,13:12) Agreed. The mystery of godliness could be Christ. Why couldn't it be Mike? I was unable to follow your point.
T8,I am the one that stated it may instead be the gospel. My point being that the order of events is wrong for it being Jesus Christ.
I also have trouble with the statement “seen of angels” which I believe would be better rendered “seen of messengers”.
KBut this would not be the total truth does it
Because then no one would be able to understand if the messenger comes directly from God ,or from men,
Is it for that reason that you give your preference
T,The Eleven saw the mystery of the kingdom and then preached it to the Gentiles after which it was taken up in glory by those that believe.
With a change in the order of events we can also apply it to Jesus.
John 1:14 also states “we have seen his glory”.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 02 2013,15:09) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,13:07) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,00:16) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 29 2013,13:12) Agreed. The mystery of godliness could be Christ. Why couldn't it be Mike? I was unable to follow your point.
T8,I am the one that stated it may instead be the gospel. My point being that the order of events is wrong for it being Jesus Christ.
I also have trouble with the statement “seen of angels” which I believe would be better rendered “seen of messengers”.
KBut this would not be the total truth does it
Because then no one would be able to understand if the messenger comes directly from God ,or from men,
Is it for that reason that you give your preference
T,The Eleven saw the mystery of the kingdom and then preached it to the Gentiles after which it was taken up in glory by those that believe.
With a change in the order of events we can also apply it to Jesus.
John 1:14 also states “we have seen his glory”.
KWhat do you think is the glory of Christ
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,14:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2013,10:54) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,06:45) Spin
EDJSpin as of what?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Your spinning the facts in an attempt to make them say what they clearly do not say.
Spin: spin is a form of propaganda, achieved through providing an interpretation
of an event or campaign to persuade public opinion in favor or againstGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Where is the spin?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2013,04:47) EDJ. Your words: the word is made flesh everytime one is born again.unquote:
SO THIS MEANS THAT JESUS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS MADE FLESH,BUT MULTITUDES AND MULTITUDES. ARE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT THIS?
JESUS STARTED OFF WITH BEING SPIRIT,AND THEN MADE FLESH. WE ARE FLESH AND THEN MADE SPIRIT ONCE; AT THE RESURRECTION. *WE* NOT THE WORD.
I DONT SEE MULTITUDES OF HUMANS IN SPIRIT BODIES WALKING THE EARTH.
IF ONE IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT, HE IS SPIRIT; NOT FLESH. ONLY AFTER THE REWARD WE WILL BE SPIRIT,AND THAT IS AT THE COMING.
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT JESUS WAS BORN AGAIN WHEN HE RECIEVED THE SPIRIT,AND THEN HE WAS BORN ONE MORE TIME WHEN HE WAS RESURRECTED?
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT:
1.HE WAS BORN FLESH.
2.BORN AGAIN WHEN HE RECEIVED THE SPIRIT.
3. BORN ONE MORE TIME WHEN RESURRECTED.BORN AGAIN SUPPOSE TO MEAN BORN TWICE.
UNLESS YOU SKIPPING THE RESURRECTION AS THE CHANGE INTO SPIRIT.wakeup.
HereQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,21:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2013,04:47) EDJ. Your words: the word is made flesh everytime one is born again.unquote:
SO THIS MEANS THAT JESUS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS MADE FLESH,BUT MULTITUDES AND MULTITUDES. ARE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT THIS?
JESUS STARTED OFF WITH BEING SPIRIT,AND THEN MADE FLESH. WE ARE FLESH AND THEN MADE SPIRIT ONCE; AT THE RESURRECTION. *WE* NOT THE WORD.
I DONT SEE MULTITUDES OF HUMANS IN SPIRIT BODIES WALKING THE EARTH.
IF ONE IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT, HE IS SPIRIT; NOT FLESH. ONLY AFTER THE REWARD WE WILL BE SPIRIT,AND THAT IS AT THE COMING.
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT JESUS WAS BORN AGAIN WHEN HE RECIEVED THE SPIRIT,AND THEN HE WAS BORN ONE MORE TIME WHEN HE WAS RESURRECTED?
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT:
1.HE WAS BORN FLESH.
2.BORN AGAIN WHEN HE RECEIVED THE SPIRIT.
3. BORN ONE MORE TIME WHEN RESURRECTED.BORN AGAIN SUPPOSE TO MEAN BORN TWICE.
UNLESS YOU SKIPPING THE RESURRECTION AS THE CHANGE INTO SPIRIT.wakeup.
Here
EdJ.Why do you see that as spinning?
Are you just saying that for the fun of it?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 03 2013,00:56) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,21:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2013,04:47) EDJ. Your words: the word is made flesh everytime one is born again.unquote:
SO THIS MEANS THAT JESUS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS MADE FLESH,BUT MULTITUDES AND MULTITUDES. ARE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT THIS?
JESUS STARTED OFF WITH BEING SPIRIT,AND THEN MADE FLESH. WE ARE FLESH AND THEN MADE SPIRIT ONCE; AT THE RESURRECTION. *WE* NOT THE WORD.
I DONT SEE MULTITUDES OF HUMANS IN SPIRIT BODIES WALKING THE EARTH.
IF ONE IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT, HE IS SPIRIT; NOT FLESH. ONLY AFTER THE REWARD WE WILL BE SPIRIT,AND THAT IS AT THE COMING.
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT JESUS WAS BORN AGAIN WHEN HE RECIEVED THE SPIRIT,AND THEN HE WAS BORN ONE MORE TIME WHEN HE WAS RESURRECTED?
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT:
1.HE WAS BORN FLESH.
2.BORN AGAIN WHEN HE RECEIVED THE SPIRIT.
3. BORN ONE MORE TIME WHEN RESURRECTED.BORN AGAIN SUPPOSE TO MEAN BORN TWICE.
UNLESS YOU SKIPPING THE RESURRECTION AS THE CHANGE INTO SPIRIT.wakeup.
Here
EdJ.Why do you see that as spinning?
Are you just saying that for the fun of it?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,This means this and that means that. The conclusions you are
drawing, based on your current perception, is limited
and inaccurate; and that's what makes it spin.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,15:14) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 02 2013,15:09) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,13:07) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,00:16) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 29 2013,13:12) Agreed. The mystery of godliness could be Christ. Why couldn't it be Mike? I was unable to follow your point.
T8,I am the one that stated it may instead be the gospel. My point being that the order of events is wrong for it being Jesus Christ.
I also have trouble with the statement “seen of angels” which I believe would be better rendered “seen of messengers”.
KBut this would not be the total truth does it
Because then no one would be able to understand if the messenger comes directly from God ,or from men,
Is it for that reason that you give your preference
T,The Eleven saw the mystery of the kingdom and then preached it to the Gentiles after which it was taken up in glory by those that believe.
With a change in the order of events we can also apply it to Jesus.
John 1:14 also states “we have seen his glory”.
KWhat do you think is the glory of Christ
T,Scripture states that for but one exception, men have fallen short of the glory of Jehovah. That exception, among men, is Jesus.
Scripture also declares that God had a glory reserved for Jesus from before the world was created and the first Night and Day started. That glory is the sealing, empowerment, and mediating of the new covenant.
There is also the glory of God's Word, the gospel, by which a righteousness that is by faith from first to last is obtained. Jesus is the Pioneer and Finisher of that glory.
There may be more.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,01:06) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,15:14) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 02 2013,15:09) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,13:07) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,00:16) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 29 2013,13:12) Agreed. The mystery of godliness could be Christ. Why couldn't it be Mike? I was unable to follow your point.
T8,I am the one that stated it may instead be the gospel. My point being that the order of events is wrong for it being Jesus Christ.
I also have trouble with the statement “seen of angels” which I believe would be better rendered “seen of messengers”.
KBut this would not be the total truth does it
Because then no one would be able to understand if the messenger comes directly from God ,or from men,
Is it for that reason that you give your preference
T,The Eleven saw the mystery of the kingdom and then preached it to the Gentiles after which it was taken up in glory by those that believe.
With a change in the order of events we can also apply it to Jesus.
John 1:14 also states “we have seen his glory”.
KWhat do you think is the glory of Christ
T,Scripture states that for but one exception, men have fallen short of the glory of Jehovah. That exception, among men, is Jesus.
Scripture also declares that God had a glory reserved for Jesus from before the world was created and the first Night and Day started. That glory is the sealing, empowerment, and mediating of the new covenant.
There is also the glory of God's Word, the gospel, by which a righteousness that is by faith from first to last is obtained. Jesus is the Pioneer and Finisher of that glory.
There may be more.
Kyou tell me what is the accomplishment of the glory ,but you do not tell what my question ask ; WHAT IS THE GLORY???
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 31 2013,00:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2013,05:52) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2013,00:20) eusebeia is “piety, godliness”
From NETNotes:
tn Grk “great is the mystery of [our] religion,” or “great is the mystery of godliness.”The word “mystery” denotes a secret previously hidden in God, but now revealed and made widely known (cf. Rom 16:25; 1 Cor 2:7; 4:1; Eph 1:9; 3:3, 4, 9; 6:19; Col 1:26-27; 4:3).
“Religion” (εὐσέβεια, eusebeia) is a word used frequently in the pastorals with a range of meanings: (1) a certain attitude toward God – “devotion, reverence”; (2) the conduct that befits that attitude – “godliness, piety”; and (3) the whole system of belief and approach to God that forms the basis for such attitude and conduct – “religion, creed.”
Mike,thréskeia is the Greek word for both religion and worship.
I don't understand the purpose of your post, Kerwin. Are you implying that the green words in my post are inaccurate? They were, after all, written by 25 experts in the Greek language.Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 02 2013,13:06) Scripture also declares that God had a glory reserved for Jesus from before the world was created……….
Which scripture says that, Kerwin? Surely you're not talking about John 17:5, in which Jesus says that he himself had glory alongside God before the world began……. are you?Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,04:24) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,01:06) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,15:14) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 02 2013,15:09) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,13:07) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,00:16) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 29 2013,13:12) Agreed. The mystery of godliness could be Christ. Why couldn't it be Mike? I was unable to follow your point.
T8,I am the one that stated it may instead be the gospel. My point being that the order of events is wrong for it being Jesus Christ.
I also have trouble with the statement “seen of angels” which I believe would be better rendered “seen of messengers”.
KBut this would not be the total truth does it
Because then no one would be able to understand if the messenger comes directly from God ,or from men,
Is it for that reason that you give your preference
T,The Eleven saw the mystery of the kingdom and then preached it to the Gentiles after which it was taken up in glory by those that believe.
With a change in the order of events we can also apply it to Jesus.
John 1:14 also states “we have seen his glory”.
KWhat do you think is the glory of Christ
T,Scripture states that for but one exception, men have fallen short of the glory of Jehovah. That exception, among men, is Jesus.
Scripture also declares that God had a glory reserved for Jesus from before the world was created and the first Night and Day started. That glory is the sealing, empowerment, and mediating of the new covenant.
There is also the glory of God's Word, the gospel, by which a righteousness that is by faith from first to last is obtained. Jesus is the Pioneer and Finisher of that glory.
There may be more.
Kyou tell me what is the accomplishment of the glory ,but you do not tell what my question ask ; WHAT IS THE GLORY???
T,Please give me an example of what you mean. Thank you.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 03 2013,06:55) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 31 2013,00:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2013,05:52) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2013,00:20) eusebeia is “piety, godliness”
From NETNotes:
tn Grk “great is the mystery of [our] religion,” or “great is the mystery of godliness.”The word “mystery” denotes a secret previously hidden in God, but now revealed and made widely known (cf. Rom 16:25; 1 Cor 2:7; 4:1; Eph 1:9; 3:3, 4, 9; 6:19; Col 1:26-27; 4:3).
“Religion” (εὐσέβεια, eusebeia) is a word used frequently in the pastorals with a range of meanings: (1) a certain attitude toward God – “devotion, reverence”; (2) the conduct that befits that attitude – “godliness, piety”; and (3) the whole system of belief and approach to God that forms the basis for such attitude and conduct – “religion, creed.”
Mike,thréskeia is the Greek word for both religion and worship.
I don't understand the purpose of your post, Kerwin. Are you implying that the green words in my post are inaccurate? They were, after all, written by 25 experts in the Greek language.
Mike,Why would scripture use a word commonly associated with godliness and piety to mean religion when there is a word that is associated with religion and worship?
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,10:21) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,04:24) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,01:06) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,15:14) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 02 2013,15:09) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,13:07) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,00:16) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 29 2013,13:12) Agreed. The mystery of godliness could be Christ. Why couldn't it be Mike? I was unable to follow your point.
T8,I am the one that stated it may instead be the gospel. My point being that the order of events is wrong for it being Jesus Christ.
I also have trouble with the statement “seen of angels” which I believe would be better rendered “seen of messengers”.
KBut this would not be the total truth does it
Because then no one would be able to understand if the messenger comes directly from God ,or from men,
Is it for that reason that you give your preference
T,The Eleven saw the mystery of the kingdom and then preached it to the Gentiles after which it was taken up in glory by those that believe.
With a change in the order of events we can also apply it to Jesus.
John 1:14 also states “we have seen his glory”.
KWhat do you think is the glory of Christ
T,Scripture states that for but one exception, men have fallen short of the glory of Jehovah. That exception, among men, is Jesus.
Scripture also declares that God had a glory reserved for Jesus from before the world was created and the first Night and Day started. That glory is the sealing, empowerment, and mediating of the new covenant.
There is also the glory of God's Word, the gospel, by which a righteousness that is by faith from first to last is obtained. Jesus is the Pioneer and Finisher of that glory.
There may be more.
Kyou tell me what is the accomplishment of the glory ,but you do not tell what my question ask ; WHAT IS THE GLORY???
T,Please give me an example of what you mean. Thank you.
Kthis is a example that was seen ;;John 1:14 also states “we have seen his glory”.
Quote Please give me an example of what you mean. EX 16:7 and in the morning you will see the glory of the LORD,
PS 19:1 The heavens are telling of the glory of God;
PS 47:4 He chooses our inheritance for us,
The glory of Jacob whom He loves.PS 104:31
Let the glory of the LORD endure forever;
Let the LORD be glad in His works;PS 145:12 To make known to the sons of men Your mighty acts
And the glory of the majesty of Your kingdom.PR 20:29 The glory of young men is their strength,
And the honor of old men is their gray hair.so;WHAT IS THE GLORY
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