1 Timothy 3:16

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  • #799037
    NickHassan
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    Hi Davidl,

    You can trawl the scriptures looking for possible justifications for human dogmas

    but it is better to submit to the Word and let Him teach you.

    #799040
    carmel
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    2 Corinthians 5:19
    namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

    Similarly, if a person manifests a demon spirit, does that mean that the person is actually the demon? The answer of course is no. Thus there is no good reason to use 1 Timothy 3:16 as a Trinity proof verse.

    t8,

    you said:

    Similarly, if a person manifests a demon spirit, does that mean that the person is actually the demon?

    DEFINITELY NOT:

    SINCE THE MAN IS NOT THE DEVIL HIMSELF

    since they are two DIFFERENT SUBSTANCES

    BUT WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE THE ABOVE HAS, AND WHICH CANNOT BE COMPARED WITH, AND APPLIED TO JESUS CHRIST?

    WE ALL KNOW THAT JESUS’ FLESH BODY WAS AND IS

    “THE WORD” SINCE ALL BY HIM…….

    CONFIRMED BY JOHN 1:1

    SO SINCE “THE WORD” WAS GOD, in a different FUNCTION,/ OPERATIONS, AS PAUL DECLARED IN

    1Corinthians 12:6 And there are diversities of OPERATIONS, BUT THE SAME GOD who worketh all in all.

    GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN HIMSELF!BY HIMSELF, FOR HIMSLEF

    SINCE ALL IN HIM, BY HIM AND FOR HIM!

    NO?

    SO “THE WORD” WAS ONE SUBSTANCE OF GOD!ONE SUBSTANCE WITH GOD, HE WAS THE ONLY ONE IN THE FATHER’S BOSOM

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #799043
    DavidL
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    so now the Church fathers are ‘wolves’ and ‘foolish men’…

    just like you say the words of Christ are ‘useless’..?!?

     

    but you of course are led by the Spirit……!?

    #799047
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    You mean the church of the world

    or the body of Christ?

    #799055
    DavidL
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    come on you old Humbug…

    t8 asserts that the ancient manuscripts don’t have the word ‘God’ in this verse, suggesting this was added to the text at a much later date.. he therefore subscribes (as do most the modern translations) to manuscripts that originate from Egypt (Alexandria) where it so happens that many Gnostic gospels and other spurious documents have also been unearthed – coincidence..?

    The word of God is, was, and always will be the primary focus of satanic attack..

    as also is the Deity of Christ..

    I have included these quotes from the ante-Nicene Fathers to show that the Deity of Christ was not something that was added into the Christian faith around 800 AD – but was and is in fact the very essence of the revelation of Jesus Christ Himself in Scripture, as also in reality…and not at all surprising to be found in the writings of those early believers who contended earnestly and diligently for the truth against the heresies of their time..

     

    You are the one who keeps talking about the Spirit and spiritual things – yet you deny what the Spirit reveals…!?!

    How spiritual is that…??

    Maybe your spiritual talk is just a smokescreen to make yourself seem more enlightened than the rest…???

    #799057
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    God is not deceptive and he does not want the human mind and it’s vain imaginations to be the tools to understand him.

    His message is for children not lofty theologians.

    Can you come down to that level ?

     

    #799059
    kerwin
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    DavidL.

    Many manuscripts originate in Egypt as the climate preserves them.

    The theory is the older a manuscript is the less likely they scribal errors have crept in. That does not account for intentional additions, subtractions, or substitutions to the original wording.

    #799063
    kerwin
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    To whomever it may concern,

    Does God need to be approved within the Spirit?

    #799064
    kerwin
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    To all,

    I have to be approved in the Spirit as it means acquitted in the Spirit.

    #799065
    DavidL
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    you must examine yourself Nick – not dictate what is required of yourself onto others..

    you are the one who puts on a show of spirituality..

    now you deride me as a lofty theologian…?!

     

    ..really I think you just like to change the subject when it suits you..!!

    #799068
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    You acquit yourself.

    And yet you feel brave enough to say others are controlled by the devil?

    #799079
    DavidL
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    have another coffee Nic – you enjoy your little mind games..?

    #799088
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Since you are stranded in confusion perhaps it would best to retrace your steps to the Source

    #799096
    DavidL
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    why would I bother when I have the light of your own words to guide me..?

    I am sure you believe this stuff.
    Does anyone else?

    #799100
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    So you admit your confusion?

     

    #799304
    DavidL
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    You will always believe in your own ideas.
    but self belief is not faith.

    #799306
    NickHassan
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    Hi Davidl,

    I can reference scripture.

    trinity has no such support

    #799320
    DavidL
    Participant

    every cult uses Scripture..

    you must listen with your heart.

    #799322
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    The Strangers you follow are from the biggest cult in history

    Wake up.

    #799323
    DavidL
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    Out of the mouth comes what the heart is full of.
    Listen to yourself and test the spirits.

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