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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2012,17:44) Hi Ed,
So we are to stand on these slippery stones to cross the torrent and reach your deception?
HA Ha ha ha, you're funny.!!Hi Nick,
“I have showed thee new things from this time, even
hidden things, and thou didst not know them.” (Isa 48:6)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED,
No you have shown us your thoughts tarted up with a some verses.
New gnostic and occult teachings are not of God.. 'Divinity tension' caused by the 'i am' in the Urantia book.
(6.1) 0:3.21 As a time-space creature would view the origin and differentiation of Reality, the eternal and infinite I AM achieved Deity liberation from the fetters of unqualified infinity through the exercise of inherent and eternal free will, and this divorcement from unqualified infinity produced the first absolute divinity-tension. This tension of infinity differential is resolved by the Universal Absolute, which functions to unify and co-ordinate the dynamic infinity of Total Deity and the static infinity of the Unqualified Absolute.
(6.2) 0:3.22 In this original transaction the theoretical I AM achieved the realization of personality by becoming the Eternal Father of the Original Son simultaneously with becoming the Eternal Source of the Isle of Paradise. Coexistent with the differentiation of the Son from the Father, and in the presence of Paradise, there appeared the person of the Infinite Spirit and the central universe of Havona. With the appearance of coexistent personal Deity, the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit, the Father escaped, as a personality, from otherwise inevitable diffusion throughout the potential of Total Deity. Thenceforth it is only in Trinity association with his two Deity equals that the Father fills all Deity potential, while increasingly experiential Deity is being actualized on the divinity levels of Supremacy, Ultimacy, and Absoluteness.
(6.3) 0:3.23 The concept of the I AM is a philosophic concession which we make to the time-bound, space-fettered, finite mind of man, to the impossibility of creature comprehension of eternity existences — nonbeginning, nonending realities and relationships. To the time-space creature, all things must have a beginning save only the ONE UNCAUSED — the primeval cause of causes. Therefore do we conceptualize this philosophic value-level as the I AM, at the same time instructing all creatures that the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit are coeternal with the I AM; in other words, that there never was a time when the I AM was not the Father of the Son and, with him, of the Spirit.
(6.4) 0:3.24 The Infinite is used to denote the fullness — the finality — implied by the primacy of the First Source and Center. The theoretical I AM is a creature-philosophic extension of the “infinity of will,” but the Infinite is an actual value-level representing the eternity-intension of the true infinity of the absolute and unfettered free will of the Universal Father. This concept is sometimes designated the Father-Infinite.
(6.5) 0:3.25 Much of the confusion of all orders of beings, high and low, in their efforts to discover the Father-Infinite, is inherent in their limitations of comprehension. The absolute primacy of the Universal Father is not apparent on subinfinite levels; therefore is it probable that only the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit truly know the Father as an infinity; to all other personalities such a concept represents the exercise of faith.
Edj…………So many words, so little Said> is the BOOK of Urantia. Dump that garbage and stay on track with the Scriptures we already Have Brother. IMO
peace and love to you and yours EDJ………………………………………………..gene
Edj………..Where is Scripture that says that at?, In my bible God said I am that I am . So is God and “Lucifier” on and the same in understanding? I have seen where some say that is translated as He Exists becasue He Exists or similar to that> But where in “OUR” Scripture is Lucifier called and I am . Please post them>
Peace and lvoe to you and yours………………………………………………gene
Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2010,14:45) ‘i am’ is Lucifer’s ‘title’, systems of religion says otherwise Here are some starting verses, to get this discussion going.
1Tm.1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom i am chief.Job 40:1-5 Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,
Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him?
he that reproveth God, let him answer it. Then Job answered
the LORD, and said, Behold, i am vile; what shall I answer
thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Once have I spoken;
but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjif I understand you ;that I AM = lucifer
and your scriptures support are as quoted right
Hi Gene,
1 Tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEdj……….How does that pencil out to mean the words I am equals Lucifier?
That is forcing the text to say what in fact it is not saying EdJ. That is a big Problem here making something say what in fact is not “Specifically” Said Brother. That is kinda like the Preexistences and Trinitarians saying the word < WORD in John 1:1 is saying Jesus when in fact Jesus name is not even Mentioned their. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 24 2012,04:16) Edj……….How does that pencil out to mean the words I am equals Lucifier? peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………………gene
. great i am = LuciferQuote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,04:34) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 24 2012,04:16) Edj……….How does that pencil out to mean the words I am equals Lucifier? peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………………gene
. great i am = Lucifer
EDJ.And who is ''I AM THAT I AM'' ED?
Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,03:51) Hi Gene, 1 Tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Paul was a great sinner,he was against Christ at first.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,05:09) Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,04:34) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 24 2012,04:16) Edj……….How does that pencil out to mean the words I am equals Lucifier? peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………………gene
. great i am = Lucifer
EDJ.And who is ''I AM THAT I AM'' ED?
Hi Wakeup,YHVH means: Causes to become.
So when Moses Asked Him (YHVH) His name, he said…
[אהיה אשר אהיה] ěhyäh ăsher ěhyäh, which translates into English as…
“I will be what I will be” or “I will be that I will be“YHVH=63 and “will be”=63
Theomatics(numbers relating to God) clearly illustrate who God is.
The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.
[יהוה] translates directly into English as YHVH.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
(LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,05:19) Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,03:51) Hi Gene, 1 Tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.God bless
Ed J
EDJ.Paul was a great sinner,he was against Christ at first.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Who is chief of all sinners?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,05:26) Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,05:19) Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,03:51) Hi Gene, 1 Tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.God bless
Ed J
EDJ.Paul was a great sinner,he was against Christ at first.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Who is chief of all sinners?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Can you not discern the scriptures?
Paul was just admitting that he was a great sinner.
Sure satan is the father of sin.jesus said ''before abraham,I AM” meaning.
Before Abraham I existed. I was already.
Not difficult to understand. No need to invent something thats not there.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,05:26) Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,05:19) Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,03:51) Hi Gene, 1 Tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.God bless
Ed J
EDJ.Paul was a great sinner,he was against Christ at first.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Who is chief of all sinners?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Who is chief of all sinners? please answer my question; OK?
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