‘i am’ is lucifer’s ‘title’

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (t8 @ June 05 2012,20:41)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 10 2010,03:24) To all……Back to the thread……….> the word I am has nothing to do with the word Lucifier at all. The word Lucifer means rising star as the king of Babylon was before God cut him down, It has nothing to do with an elusive (BEING) called a devil,or a Satan. Pure apostate teachings. There is (NO) devil or Satan (BEING) GOING AROUND JUMPING IN AND OUT OF people, we are the only adversaries on this earth of GOD,  man is the only Satan there exists on this earth.  Man is the( prince) of the powers of the air (which transfers words ) and rules in high places in the kingdoms of this earth, not some elusive being of some kind but man himself is the adversary or Satan of GOD.  Jodi has rightly posted this, go back and reread it and think about what she said.IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene Actually I was not aware that you denied the existence of Satan or the Devil. This does explain a lot about you and your teachings.

T8………what have i said is do not believe  SATAN or devils are existing as invisible “BEINGS” going around taking control of people. What i have said is that they do exist but not a separate “BEING” from the Person himself,

When Jesus said to Peter GET Behind Me SATAN , He was not talking to another “invisible “BEING” that was there, but he was talking to PETER who was BY the ADVERSARIAL Spirit  working (IN) him was Himself a Satan to Jesus. Just as the Pharisees were called the Childern of the Devil, Jesus was “symbolically” speaking about where there Minds were coming form. This applies to all Devil and Satans . These are all Spirits that make up the state of mind of the People they are in.

So yes i do believe in satans and devils , they are People themselves not some elusive “Beings” going around jumping in and out of People as you and others falsely assume. It is the EVIL Spirit (intellect)  (IN) man Himself that causes them to act as  devils and satans .

Just as the First born of all Mankind (Cain)
was a Murder and a Lier , Just as Jesus said . You do the deed of your “Father” the devil, he was a lier and a murder in the beginning and you do his deeds , because they sought to Kill him as Cain killed his brother Abel . The evil (IN) people make the Devils and Satans themselves. IMO

peace and love to you and yours T8………………………………..gene

[Wakeup]

GeneB.

John 12:31.
Now is the judgement of this world:now shall the PRINCE OF THIS WORLD be cast out. (what or who is this prince?).

Rev.12:7. And there was war in heaven: michael and his angels fought against the dragon:and the dragon fought and his angels.(who or what is the dragon?).

9. And the great dragon was cast out that old serpent,called the devil and SATAN,which deceived the whole world; he was cast out into the earth.

Can you still say that satan is not a creature but just an evil force? and his angels also just an evil force?(evil thinking?).

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 06 2012,01:22)

EDj. I never said michael is Jesus,but you said. wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

I said he wasn't, do you have comprehension problems?
If your assumptions were correct, would Jesus not have to be?
If not, then explain why he would not be according to your theory?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

EDj.

Do you still firmly believe that satan was not cast out of heaven>rev.12:7. or do you agree now?and is the man child jesus or is he not?

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 06 2012,02:16)

EDj. (1)Do you still firmly believe that satan was not cast out of heaven>rev.12:7. or do you agree now?and (2)is the man child jesus or is he not? wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

1) I do believe satan was cast out of heaven, when we do not know.
2) John wrote Revelation long after Jesus rose from the dead.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

EDj.

That was a vision he saw in heaven:

since satan and his angels were cast out of heaven;he persecuted the woman; this happened to the Christians back then and today also.

You notice also, satan working back then; as soon the man child was born, the dragon stood before her to be delivered to devour her child. This happened when king herod send his men to kill Jeus.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 06 2012,02:37)

EDj. That was a vision he saw in heaven: since satan and his angels were cast out of heaven;he persecuted the woman; this happened to the Christians back then and today also. You notice also, satan working back then; as soon the man child was born, the dragon stood before her to be delivered to devour her child. This happened when king herod send his men to kill Jeus.

Hi Wakeup,

I understand why you would see it that way.
I have considered that in the past as well.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2012,01:58)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 06 2012,01:22) EDj. I never said michael is Jesus,but you said. wakeup. Hi Wake-up, I said he wasn't, do you have comprehension problems? If your assumptions were correct, would Jesus not have to be? If not, then explain why he would not be according to your theory? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

You still haven't addressed this post, will you please do so?

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2012,02:49)

Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2012,01:58) Quote (Wakeup @ June 06 2012,01:22) EDj. I never said michael is Jesus,but you said. wakeup. Hi Wake-up, I said he wasn't, do you have comprehension problems? If your assumptions were correct, would Jesus not have to be? If not, then explain why he would not be according to your theory? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org You still haven't addressed this post, will you please do so?

EDJ.

What is your specific question?

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 06 2012,04:19)

Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2012,02:49) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2012,01:58) Quote (Wakeup @ June 06 2012,01:22) EDj. I never said michael is Jesus,but you said. wakeup. Hi Wake-up, I said he wasn't, do you have comprehension problems? If your assumptions were correct, would Jesus not have to be? If not, then explain why he would not be according to your theory? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org You still haven't addressed this post, will you please do so? EDJ. What is your specific question? wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Based on what you believe Revelation Chapter 12 to mean,
why do you consider Jesus not to be Michael the Archangel?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Why would anyone imagine Jesus is any form of angel after heb 1?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2012,06:02)

Hi ED, Why would anyone imagine Jesus is any form of angel after heb 1?

Hi Nick,

Perhaps you misunderstand my question to Wakeup.
I suggest you go back a couple of pages to catch up.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Any takers for the I AM theory?
It is from you and not God.

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2012,07:35)

Hi ED, Any takers for the I AM theory? It is from you and not God.

Thank you Nick,

Yes, let the truth be known!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
Indeed.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2012,07:42)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2012,07:35) Hi ED, Any takers for the I AM theory? It is from you and not God. Thank you Nick, Yes, let the truth be known! God bless Ed J

Hi Nick,

Luke 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which
cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
Yes he bears long with His wayward ones.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2012,09:47)

Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2012,07:42) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2012,07:35) Hi ED, Any takers for the I AM theory? It is from you and not God. Thank you Nick, Yes, let the truth be known! God bless Ed J Hi Nick, Luke 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Nick,

“Shall not God search this out? for
he knoweth the secrets of the heart.” (Psalms 44:21)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
Nothing is hidden from Him.
But beware teaching what He does not

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2012,07:35)

Hi ED, Any takers for the I AM theory? It is from you and not God.

Hi Nick, it is time for you to learn the truth!

                                  the wall
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                       i am God  †  not God
                                        ↑
                                  the wall

“For Jesus is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath
broken down the middle wall of partition between us;” (Eph 2:14)

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, …for to make in
himself of twain ONE NEW MAN, so making peace; (Eph 2:15)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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